3 design flaws of macbook pro 2016

Do you agree?


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Pangalactic

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1) I have the Dell XPS with a thin bezel. I have to say it is absolutely awesome EXCEPT for the camera (which is below the screen), unless you prefer impersonating greek gods while talking to others. I would much prefer a slightly thinker bezel and a top camera. On the new MBP, it it totattly fine in my opinion.
2) Yes, it is too large. I would like something right between the previous gen and the current gen.
3) True, but I don't think it matters that much, unless your headphones are very short
 

fokmik

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the last part with the headphone jack i agree.
for the first part nope, i want/need a 720p at least front camera to be on top of the display
for the second part, if apple allowd pencil input, again i dont agree, but if not, then i agree
 

BenTrovato

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I can understand points 1 & 2 but I can see why they did what they did.

For the headphones, definitely agree. Makes more sense to have headphones closer to the user.
 

leman

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Agree with point 3. As to the rest, well the camera has to go somewhere and the large trackpad is awesome. But maybe my hands are weird, as I can't seem to rest them on the trackpad without risking breaking my wrists
 

atimoda

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1) I have the Dell XPS with a thin bezel. I have to say it is absolutely awesome EXCEPT for the camera (which is below the screen), unless you prefer impersonating greek gods while talking to others. I would much prefer a slightly thinker bezel and a top camera. On the new MBP, it it totattly fine in my opinion.
2) Yes, it is too large. I would like something right between the previous gen and the current gen.
3) True, but I don't think it matters that much, unless your headphones are very short
Yes, I think all the three are minor flaws, but you dont expect these flaws in a design driven company...
I want the perfect notebook like the old generation models were at the time :D
(except the 2012 retina model that had the misaligned bezels too)
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the last part with the headphone jack i agree.
for the first part nope, i want/need a 720p at least front camera to be on top of the display
for the second part, if apple allowd pencil input, again i dont agree, but if not, then i agree
At least visually, it seems the camera is not bigger than the side bezels... dont know...
 

aevan

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Thanks for your ideas and for presenting them nicely. While I disagree, it's interesting to discuss these things. Nice post.

Anyway, my reasons for not agreeing:

1. Visually, you're probably right. But the top border is most likely bigger for tehcnical reasons, not aesthetics. Maybe because of the camera? Or parts of the screen tech? No idea, but I'm sure there is a reason.

2. I like the trackpad size, offers greater precision because of size-to-screen ratio. It's similar to how it is with Wacom tablets, the bigger the screen, the bigger the tablet you need. While I already used a trackpad of a similar size (the Magic Trackpad 2) - I used it on my 27" iMac so I did not notice the additional precision. On my 15" MBP, the size makes the trackpad feel more precise to use, to a point I almost don't need a mouse for certain graphical tasks. Gestures in BTT are also nicer with a large area.

3. Finally, the order of ports - no idea, never thought about that. I'm sorry, but I don't care about that much :)
 
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ascender

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Your point about the headphone port doesn't hold true for speakers though. And even with headphones I still kind of think its better to have that behind ports for accessories to keep things tidier and easier to access those ports if you then need them while working.

To be honest I'm not bothered by the other two either. And is the wider bezel at the top also to balance out the size of the screen at the bottom with the MacBook Pro logo on it?
 
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JMacHack

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Of all the valid criticisms of the new MacBook Pro, and this is what you've come up with?
1. is because of the existence of the integrated camera lens. And you've pushed the screen upward in the chassis, not really solving the "imbalance" problem.
2. is a plus in my opinion, the trackpad is perfectly suited for my needs.
3. is nitpicky at best. I can't see any logic behind it being in any one spot.
 

turbineseaplane

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I agree with all three.
None are any sort of deal breaker, but I think they'd be nice subtle changes, especially the headphone port one.

It make a lot of sense to have that closer to the user and not possibly blocked and interfering with plugged in USB-C stuff.
 

csurfr

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1) I have the Dell XPS with a thin bezel. I have to say it is absolutely awesome EXCEPT for the camera (which is below the screen), unless you prefer impersonating greek gods while talking to others. I would much prefer a slightly thinker bezel and a top camera. On the new MBP, it it totattly fine in my opinion.
2) Yes, it is too large. I would like something right between the previous gen and the current gen.
3) True, but I don't think it matters that much, unless your headphones are very short
I agree with everything you have said, with one caveat: I find the size of the trackpad on the 13" to be great, and the size of the trackpad on the 15" to be just a little large for what is needed.

I also had an XPS and found the position of the camera to be wonky as hell.


Edit: (added, but not directed at my quoted post) Also, in the OP, it is mentioned that the 13" Trackpad is "perfect sized for the 15". That isn't the 2016 13" Trackpad, as it's rectangular. He seems to be using the trackpad from the 2015 13" MacBook Pro.
 

turbineseaplane

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Point 3 should be *no* headphone sockets. What's good enough for the iphone is good enough for the Mac. Not very courageous of Apple this time with the fatally flawed 2016 MBP.
no no no no no...

Laptops are often used docked as desktop replacements and in that context it's super handy to be able to easily plug in legacy sounds systems/speakers, etc.

Completely different situation than a mobile device like the iPhone.
 
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SDColorado

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Your point about the headphone port doesn't hold true for speakers though.
I agree. Preference for the location of this jack probably depends on whether you primarily plug speakers or headphones into this jack. For me, it is always speakers. I can't remember the last time I plugged wired headphones into my laptop, preferring Bluetooth with my laptop instead. That said, I find the location of the port as uninteresting as watching paint dry :)
 
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Hadron

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Point 1: I'm going to go against the crowd and agree with you. But that's because I wouldn't personally care if it didn't have a camera at all. I'd really prefer just a larger screen + less bezel.

Point 2: I don't need the ultra-large trackpad, but don't care hugely.

Point 3: is so minor that I'm not going to lose sleep over it. My biggest problem with ports of any sort is Apple's love of putting them too close together, so that using 1 port with anything much wider than a cable tends to block the neighbouring port.
 

caramelpolice

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The actual problem with the 3.5mm jack is that it's on the right, when most headphones (including Apple's own Beats) have the cable run from the left earpiece.
 

Mobster1983

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Don't agree with the ports. My headphone port is used for external speakers, which are behind my screen. I only use Bluetooth or USB headphones (for dragon dictate) when I don't use the speakers.

I also prefer the larger track pad and have had zero issues.
 
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dogslobber

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no no no no no...

Laptops are often used docked as desktop replacements and in that context it's super handy to be able to easily plug in legacy sounds systems/speakers, etc.

Completely different situation than a mobile device like the iPhone.
I used to do that with the Dell sound bar but I bought a Bluetooth speaker and don't need the sound bar now. That's my resasoning. I've also got a USB-A external speakers I can plug in albeit they wouldn't work on the 2016 MBP without a dongle ;-)
 
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maarkobro

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My track pad very frequently won't allow me to click and drag files until I try it many frustrating time. Then it just works. AAAARRRGGG !! New Mac Pro 13 inc w Retina display
 

GtrDude

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While I agree that the touchpad is too large, Apple doesn't do things without a reason, so maybe its large for something in the near future.

Then they should make another laptop for that in the future and stop with this once every 5 years (or so) between new releases.
They're just about the only ones who do that.
 
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turbineseaplane

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Then they should make another laptop for that in the future and stop with this once every 5 years (or so) between new releases.
They're just about the only ones who do that.
I have no idea why people think there is some grand plan for the trackpad beyond making the laptop ones basically the same size as the desktop Magic Trackpad.

Literally nothing Apple has done or said would indicate to me that Pencil support would be coming to the trackpad of a laptop. Feels totally out of left field and a "wish" and "justification" that people are really reaching for.

They may simply feel that "bigger was better" - Sort of how they thought "the touch bar is useful"

They don't get everything right.. haha
 

dwfaust

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Not a major issues. IMO, nothing to get one's panties in a wad over.

1. The bezel has to allow for the camera and mic... that's why the bezel it taller on top of the screen.
2. The trackpad is large. So what?
3. Who cares about the placement of the headphone jack?
 
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