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Not a major issues. IMO, nothing to get one's panties in a wad over.

1. The bezel has to allow for the camera and mic... that's why the bezel it taller on top of the screen.
2. The trackpad is large. So what?
3. Who cares about the placement of the headphone jack?


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Ok. So basically you've added "who cares", "so what", "un-bunch your panties".

Thanks bud.
 
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Ok. So basically you've added "who cares", "so what", "un-bunch your panties".

Thanks bud.

Glad you liked it.

Now, let's all head over to your house and nitpick something you created... none of the 3 "issues" even merit discussion, IMO. That's why I voted "No" ... I don't agree that these are design flaws.
 
I agree with all of these. I understand the display placement due to where the camera is located, but the trackpad is too big for no good reason and I often end up putting my cursor in a wrong place when typing on the keyboard. Never had that issue with the 2013 MBP. I don't really care about the headphone jack placement but have felt that it was at least a bit too close to the USB ports as plugging in my headphones was a bit annoying when the ports were in use.

I would like to add one more to the list. The up/down arrow keys feel like crap to use on the keyboard because they are quite small compared to every other key. Likewise the ISO keyboard Enter is horrible to use as it's just too narrow.
 
The OP asked a question. Am I not entitled to voice my opinion?

So your opinion is "why bother talking about it"?
I guess that just feels not even worth mentioning.

Why not just skip right over something you feel is that pointless and let the rest of us that do find it interesting to do the discussing?
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I would like to add one more to the list. The up/down arrow keys feel like crap to use on the keyboard because they are quite small compared to every other key. Likewise the ISO keyboard Enter is horrible to use as it's just too narrow.

No question - The direction Apple went with the arrow keys on all the keyboards now is really a misstep.
 
I don't really consider these design flaws as much as personal preferences...

I REALLY like the trackpad size on the 2016 13", but I imagine there are many uses for the 15's even larger one. Rather than seeing the size of it decreased, I would love to see a variable size trackpad where the User can set the "active" area. Imagine how awesome that would be + Apple Pen compatibility! Then, take it a step further and give the touchbar its own segmented location-specific taptic engine...
 
trackpad where the User can set the "active" area.

I wish you could do that in software to avoid palm rejection issues.
Maybe BetterTouchTool can do that?

Plus it would pave the way to just having the entire palm rest area be a trackpad (optionally/contextually of course)
 
1. The top bezel is for the camera and it matches the bottom bezel
2. I like the large trackpad.
3. Maybe, but I'd like to see some real numbers on how people use the headphone jack.
 
The biggest design flaws are Soldered RAM and Glued batteries.
These flaws are seriously increasing the complexity of repairs
 
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Has anyone run into any practical problems with the larger trackpad? It looks large, but I have large hands and appreciate the larger size. Have not run into any issues where the size gets in the way with use.
 
Has anyone run into any practical problems with the larger trackpad? It looks large, but I have large hands and appreciate the larger size. Have not run into any issues where the size gets in the way with use.

I have, I've used it for a while and palm rejection doesn't awlays work, and it's quite annoying, especially when you need to do a lot of typing.

Personallly, I don't find any benefits to it being THIS large, a size between the current and the the previous would be absolutely great.
 
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Has anyone run into any practical problems with the larger trackpad? It looks large, but I have large hands and appreciate the larger size. Have not run into any issues where the size gets in the way with use.

The one on the 15" in particular. I was getting occasional cursor jumps from palms.
When flying along writing it was beyond madening.

I wish they'd offer some software ways to tweak the active area or something.
 
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Lack of ports is a bigger issue than the order of them.
ACHTUNG!! You vill haff four Zunderbolt ports! Und you vill LIKE THEM! :mad:

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[doublepost=1495391025][/doublepost]But on a serious note, as for the bezel I totally agree with Aevan:

Maybe because of the camera?

Also, it's where you place your thumb to open the lid. Which is more of a consequence of the camera placement of course, but even so, I'm happier for not smudging the screen.

As for the trackpad size, I rest my hands all the time on the edge of that huge trackpad and somehow never had a problem.

The headphone jack -- that's an interesting one. Logically it does make more sense. However here is a picture of the innards (courtesy of iFixit). I think you always want to line up the Thunderbolt ports. They're also lined up with the speaker grille for a reason. Thus, if you move the 3.5mm jack, and you keep the Thunderbolt ports in place, then it kinda gets into the way of other components like the SSD Flash.

I have the feeling that there was only one reason they kept the 3.5mm jack, and that is: there was some free space in that corner.

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Being an Apple person and used to everything being correctly proportioned and symmetrical, I agree with all three.

But it could be far worse; it could be like a windows laptop and have the track pad on the far left side! :eek:
 
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I didn't mind any of those things really, the bezel size nicely frames the screen and I liked the big touch pad for the most part. However... Continuing the How it should be pics: ;)
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(sorry :))

That's a good bit of photoshop work there. Nicely done.
 
headphone port makes logical sense, but shouldn't you be using earpods only when using an apple device :)
 
The soldered storage on the TB models is an equally complex issue, and a potential nightmare for anyone who isn't backing up
They are soldering the storage now? Very very sad.
I used to see the soldered storage only at some sub-$200 windows laptops,
didn't expect to see such a thing in a "Pro" computer :(
 
They are soldering the storage now? Very very sad.
I used to see the soldered storage only at some sub-$200 windows laptops,
didn't expect to see such a thing in a "Pro" computer :(

On the TB models, yes. On the entry non-touchbar 13-inch, it is still Apple's own PCIe implementation.

DIY data recovery was previously difficult enough given Apple did not conform to the PCIe-NVMe standard. Now, with the 13-inch Touchbar and 15-inch, an additional layer of complexity is arguably added. Data recovery costs may be higher, and data recovery options could be more limited since certain types of damage to the logic board could prevent access to even a fully functional hard disk - further emphasizing the importance of backing up, and, in some cases, backing up with bootable clones as Time Machine on its own might not be sufficient.

On a positive note, Apple has subsidized logic board replacement costs, so the price of replacing a logic board (which means replacing the SSD with the TB models) is lower than one may expect.

Consequently, I feel that anyone buying any computer (but especially a touchbar MBP) should assume that, in the event of system failure, data will be permanently lost from the primary storage if it is not backed up, so not backing up important data is like letting a 5 year old play with a firearm.
 
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On the TB models, yes. On the entry non-touchbar 13-inch, it is still Apple's own PCIe implementation.

DIY data recovery was previously difficult enough given Apple did not conform to the PCIe-NVMe standard. Now, with the 13-inch Touchbar and 15-inch, an additional layer of complexity is added. Data recovery costs may be higher, and data recovery options may be more limited since certain types of damage to the logic board could prevent access to even a fully functional hard disk - further emphasizing the importance of backing up, and, in some cases, backing up with bootable clones as Time Machine on its own might not be sufficient.

On a positive note, Apple has subsidized logic board replacement costs, so the price of replacing a logic board (which means replacing the SSD with the TB models) is lower than one may expect.

Consequently, anyone buying any computer (but especially a touchbar MBP) should assume that, in the event of system failure, data will be permanently lost from the primary storage if it is not backed up.


As I understand it, Apple tends to use proprietary PCIe SSDs because they want the fastest speeds available. If you look at the past MBPs, they've consistently had the fastest SSDs. Now you may be thinking, what about the Samsung 960 Pro? Well, the 960 Pro wasn't available to Apple when the MBPs went into production.

It's possible Apple could use a standard NVMe drive in the future unless there's something else faster out.
 
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