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I just did this i went from iphone 4 8gb model to galaxy s4 then back to apple iphone 6s plus 128gb already falling back to the apple system
 
Now that the Samsung Galaxy S6 and others have made their phones sheet thin and removed the ability to change out the battery and upgrade memory there's no reason to pay extravagant prices for a 2nd rate knockoff anymore.
 
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I am sure it was posted somewhere within the hundreds of other posts, but I have noticed a few things on the "conversion". Here are my few cents.

1. The fact is that it's simply way too trendy not too get an iPhone. The iPhone now is like a designer handbag, if you don't have one, you might be shunned within your social circle. If Apple made an 8 GB iPhone you can be sure people would buy one...just to conform.

2. Samsung alienated a lot of their existing customers. They ditched the external memory card and removable battery which many Android enthusiasts prefer.

3. Android devices, especially Samsung have a lot of bloatware. They claimed to have reduced the amount but they really haven't. Some OEM apps can be disabled but they still suck up RAM on the device. Just walk into any Best Buy and see how much RAM is sucked up by Android and Samsung firmware.

4. Samsung devices do not come with factory unlock unlike those from Apple (if you pay full retail).

5. Esthetics. The high end Samsung line arguable look rather similar to the iPhone. So why not get an iPhone?

6. Reliability, service and warranty. No mobile manufacturer is better than Apple in that regard. Samsung users are realizing their devices aren't that reliable unlike most Apple devices.

While I expect to see a rise in the low-end mobile (smart) phone market because mobile phones are getting outrageously expensive if you buy one without a contract ie. subsidized. the high-end market might suffer. Chinese mobile device manufacturers don't have the same quality control and standards that Apple demands from their providers in Asia. I will never get one despite all the praise about One Plus One or two, or the Nexus 6P.
 
I am sure it was posted somewhere within the hundreds of other posts, but I have noticed a few things on the "conversion". Here are my few cents.

1. The fact is that it's simply way too trendy not too get an iPhone. The iPhone now is like a designer handbag, if you don't have one, you might be shunned within your social circle. If Apple made an 8 GB iPhone you can be sure people would buy one...just to conform.

iPhone has a 16% market share, I guess that could be classified as trendy? I know in my circle of friends, of those who made moves this past year, 7 have switched to Android and only 2 have bought the iPhone 6 or 6S....they were former iPhone users. No switches were made from Android to iPhone.

This is what perplexes me about Apple's recent reports and worries me about Apple's future. They seem to be leaning to the creative corporate way of stating numbers, pretty scary.
 
So if all these folks are switching from Android yet the Android market share is stable where is android getting their new users from?
Mr Cook is having fun with numbers. 30% of new iPhones is not actually a very big number although it sounds impressive. We don't know what share of 78m iPhones were new. Maybe 1/3 of sales were upgrades ... So 30% of 1/3 of 78m is about 8m. Android sales are about 300m a qtr. It's not a stampede and some go the other way.
 
Now that the Samsung Galaxy S6 and others have made their phones sheet thin and removed the ability to change out the battery and upgrade memory there's no reason to pay extravagant prices for a 2nd rate knockoff anymore.

Well no-one is forcing you to buy Apple so what's your problem? :D
 
iPhone has a 16% market share, I guess that could be classified as trendy? I know in my circle of friends, of those who made moves this past year, 7 have switched to Android and only 2 have bought the iPhone 6 or 6S....they were former iPhone users. No switches were made from Android to iPhone.

This is what perplexes me about Apple's recent reports and worries me about Apple's future. They seem to be leaning to the creative corporate way of stating numbers, pretty scary.


iPhone may only have a 16% market share, but for a group of devices that caters only to the high end of the market that's not too bad.

Android market share by comparison is also made up of a great many low end devices which are much, much, more affordable than any iOS device. So it's only natural that the market share is going to be substantially larger for an operating system who's devices are more readily available to a majority the population.
 
iPhone has a 16% market share, I guess that could be classified as trendy? I know in my circle of friends, of those who made moves this past year, 7 have switched to Android and only 2 have bought the iPhone 6 or 6S....they were former iPhone users. No switches were made from Android to iPhone.

This is what perplexes me about Apple's recent reports and worries me about Apple's future. They seem to be leaning to the creative corporate way of stating numbers, pretty scary.
When you make 80% of the profit for the *entire* industry, marketshare does not matter one way or another.
 
Do you not think they're quite ugly? One of them looks like a robot from the back with that big, black, raised bar at the top.
Look is well down my lists of requirements. Most reviews indicate the 6P has the best build quality and design of any of the Nexus line, which is saying a lot considering how great the Nexus line has been in the past.
 
So if all these folks are switching from Android yet the Android market share is stable where is android getting their new users from?

Was looking at the numbers and thinking the same thing. Applying some critical thinking, Some logical assumptions, and trends, and dis constructing the wording leads me to this:

30% of 6S adopters were Android users. What this doesn't tell us however, is any sort of sales or market numbers themselves.

This also is completely vacuum packed numbers. Does Cook report how many left iOS to android? why didn't Apple report on how many androids sold?

In Other words, Apple is using meaningless, and contextually vacuous numbers, That while not untrue, paint absolutely no picture of the market.

But it looks good. It's marketing. 100% pure marketing.

But then I remember, we're talking about Corporate Apple here. Despite great products, that generally should sell themselves because of quality, They always (Jobs was a master of this) resorting to picking only statistics that make them seem like they're doing something above and beyond anything.

so hey, lets say 30% of iPhones 6s sales were former Android users. And lets say that number is a magical 15million. But what if Android sold 50 million in the same quarter? does that 30% switchers sound as good?

Lets not just be mindless consumers here and believe everything outright that a corporation who is trying to sell us something tells us, rather lets all just take some time and be critical thinkers.

And then buy iPhones :p
 
When you make 80% of the profit for the *entire* industry, marketshare does not matter one way or another.

I could rant for hours about how this mindset is bogus and stupid.

but I don't think it would get anywhere.

Simply made, sheer number of profit in the industry isn't really indicative of anything when players in the industry all have different direct business models.

EG: Apple sells their devices at a significant premium pricing in order to help with the premium product differentiation. Apple is a predominant hardware vendor whose bulk of business is the sales, and profit directly from their hardware handset business. They are making an average of 40% profit on every i-Device being sold. This is their business model to maximize bottom line profits on hardware sales.

Google on the other hand does NOT take this mindset with their own devices. Hardware is not their bread and butter maker and they are not aiming to have a 40% profit margin on their phone devices. This is why they're generally available for much cheaper with smaller profits.

Samsung's strategy is even different: With much smaller margins in their devices, they take the "kitchen sink" approach. They've aimed for volume of sales over margins of sales for their profit, reducing their devices individual margins. Even though they have some devices that sell as much as an iphone in the premium space, Samsung tends to include more hardware, that costs them more overall than Apple. for example, earlier adoption of NFC, Earlier adoption of sensor techs, Earlier adoption of a bunch of things, software and hadware wise that takes money to develope and implement. more expensive and larger RAM and Storage. so for the same price, you technically get more hardware, which reduces their margin of profit.


does this suddenly mean that because google's mobile device profits are miniscule compared to Apple's that Google is completely irrelevant? I dont know about you, but a billion + activated android devices on the market, and an extremely large market share of mobile devices of all sizes and shapes tells you otherwise.

This is why Profit as a measure of pure power and success is as irrelevant as market share when used in a vacuum and without putting together the whole picture.

SO everytime people bring up this stupid "But apple makes the most profit!" I have to say... So? prove why that matters in the way you believe it does? Because, fi you realllllly want, we can get into why 40% profit margin, while having 200B in the bank is actually terrible for you and I, the consumer, and the economy as a whole.
 
Try to get an Android flagship in 4"...

Heck try to find a better phone than the 5S in 4"...

Hack... try to find a good Android phone in 4.7"!

I'm an android user. And these are very big reasons why the iPhone 6s was absolutely on my shopping list.

I've used devices that ranged from 4" to 6". 4.7-5" has always felt the most comfortable in my hands. But I want flagship performance and build. I'm snobby like that. Deal with it :p. All of which the iPhone actually has. The only device from Android that matches that, top of the line hardware, great build quality and that fit in comfortable hand holding for me was the S6. So it came down to Android(touchwiz v iOS).

Have to give points to Android cause I was already in the Android ecosystem for years. But man does Touchwiz suck. But even so, I don't particularly like iOS.

However, Price became an issue. Apple has recently raised the price of their devices in Canada. it's now 899.99 CAD off contract. And once you factor in Tax, you're paying $1,017. That turned out to be about $300 more than I could get a 32gb S6.
 
However, Price became an issue. Apple has recently raised the price of their devices in Canada. it's now 899.99 CAD off contract. And once you factor in Tax, you're paying $1,017. That turned out to be about $300 more than I could get a 32gb S6.
Wow that's insane pricing. I wouldn't buy any phone at that price.
 
Wow that's insane pricing. I wouldn't buy any phone at that price.

Most Canadian's don't and can't afford to buy phones outright. Despite the 30% difference in pricing, Canadian's for the most part do not make more than their US counterparts by any significant amount. So to get basically tacked on 30%, "just cause", really drives the affordability out.

So we get generally bent over backwards by the oligopoly carriers here. they subsidise the phones, but have some of the most ridiculously expensive data plans in the world. https://openmedia.ca/blog/confirmed...me-worst-telecom-service-industrialized-world

SO we get the new devices, but get stuck on ridiculous contracts, where some people pay upwards of $100 /mth for what most people would consider basic services such as "long distance calling" and "6gb of data". Oh, and up until just recently, contracts were 3 years, and early cancellation, could cost upwards of $400. it got so bad, our government watchdog agency had to step in and strong arm them into 2 year contracts. But the telcoms retaliated by upping contract prices.

the iPhones were always one of the more expensive phones on the market here, but having 30% added "just cause", hurts when we're already paying so much.
 
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I just grabbed my 6s Plus one-handed and checked email/news/instagram. Granted I have semi-large hands. But since I made the jump the size has been nice.
I've seen how people handle large phones and its more of just balancing it on their fingers. I just don't feel comfortable holding a $650+ device that way. I prefer a firm grip around it. But that's just me, I understand other people are different :cool:
 
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I've seen how people handle large phones and its more of just balancing it on their fingers. I just don't feel comfortable holding a $650+ device that way. I prefer a firm grip around it. But that's just me, I understand other people are different :cool:
If you had to hold a phone that big for a while, you wouldn't be as concerned. You really learn where the center of gravity is and you get pretty agile moving it around in your hand. That said, I've had a few close calls, but always managed to regain my grip. Its definitely not for everyone.
 
Yes of course.
I took your advice and traded in my iPhone 5 for a new Galaxy Note 5 in gold. I have to say you were right. This thing is jaw droppingly gorgeous with it's aluminum and glass build that looks suspiciously like a two year old iPhone. I have a question - I put the stylus in wrong and it got stuck. That's not going to be permanently damage it, is it? Anyway hats off to Samsung for a fantastic design. I also like how they have the logo right in the bezel because I have anterograde amnesia and I can't remember what brand phone I bought every morning.

Look I don't care what phone you use - but don't be toxic on these boards. No one needs that and it's not going to make 30% of new iPhone buyers switch back to Android.
 
I took your advice and traded in my iPhone 5 for a new Galaxy Note 5 in gold. I have to say you were right. This thing is jaw droppingly gorgeous with it's aluminum and glass build that looks suspiciously like a two year old iPhone. I have a question - I put the stylus in wrong and it got stuck. That's not going to be permanently damage it, is it? Anyway hats off to Samsung for a fantastic design. I also like how they have the logo right in the bezel because I have anterograde amnesia and I can't remember what brand phone I bought every morning.

Look I don't care what phone you use - but don't be toxic on these boards. No one needs that and it's not going to make 30% of new iPhone buyers switch back to Android.
Nice job with the stylus. I did that first day too lol. Did you take it out yet? You can still remove it without breaking it if you haven't. It is a beautiful phone. I love the curved glass back. It will permanently damage it, but only the s pen detection stuff and off screen memo. Just go to s pen settings and turn off off screen memos and pen detection and floating indicator.
 
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