Other 32 lawsuits and counting...

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  1. Freezer001, Jan 12, 2018
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    iPhone throttling: Class actions pile up as Apple hit with 32nd lawsuit


    https://a.msn.com/r/2/AAuz06f

    There is chum in the water and the sharks are circling....

    Surprised it’s not on the front page of MR...
     
  2. Hal~9000, Jan 12, 2018
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    This is just the beginning for Apple as the lawsuits will continue piling up. Look forward to seeing the results in courts across the world and all the nice details which might get revealed along the way :)

    Btw if anyone is actually interested in the lawsuits, a better source of more detailed information is: http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/
     
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    So? What happens if the number climbs to 100? Sweep it under the rug? 32 is a significant number whether you agree or not.

    Fact of the matter is, some very powerful firms jumped onboard in the last week. This includes Hagens Berman, the firm behind the case that ended with Apple paying a $450m fine over eBook price fixing.
     
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    No, I never offered my stance if I said 32 is a significant number or not, which is not relevant to my Post.

    However;

    You stated verbatim "That you were surprised it's not on the front page of MacRumors" which I replied that it has indeed been discussed on the front page twice and your Thread only adds to the number of lawsuit Apple is facing, but doesn't change what we already know in general about the nature of the lawsuit(s). I was simply correcting your own misconception of your previous Post.
     
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    Looks like some posts were reported and deleted lol.

    Anyhow, back to your assertion: “Actually, it has been discussed on the front twice page already.” No, it actually hasn’t. 32 lawsuits have not been specifically discussed.

    Whether it “doesn’t change what we already know about the lawsuits in general”, is irrelevant. My thread is about the NUMBER of lawsuits.
    --- Post Merged, Jan 12, 2018 ---
    And thank you to the mod who deleted the off-topic posts. My thread, as the title indicates, is about the number of lawsuits Apple is facing currently.

    Members have a right to voice their opinion on whether or not this deserves it’s own thread. Some say yes, some say no. I feel 32 is pretty significant, hence the thread title.
     
  7. Hal~9000 macrumors 68000

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    Mods will normally remove posts which they feel are off topic or "bickering". If the off topic posts continue they'll end up locking the thread.

    I like your thread and would like it to stick around as I feel Apples shady behavior deserves to remain in the minds of its customers and shouldn't be easily forgotten... but others on the forum might whine about it and vehemently disagree (you've seen a few in the thread already ;)). IMO it's best to simply post what you like and ignore the negativity from apologists who want to make excuses for Apples bad behavior.
     
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    Thank you! I agree with everything you said!
     
  9. Smartass macrumors 65816

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    there will be more lawsuits, if Apple loses these lawsuits..
     
  10. Zigourney, Jan 12, 2018
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    The more the merrier I say :)

    ...and the cheek to charge you $29 for a battery swap and make it look like they are doing you a favour because the price was reduced from $79. That's Apple making you pay for the cost of their recall. Only Apple can try to get away with that ****.
     
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    Nah they will likely just merge this thread with the others we have. End of the day this story won't be forgotten and I'm sure apple have learnt their lession from it. That much appears clear. They made a mistake which they have had to deal with the backlash of it. Don't think it really needs to be talked about again and again. I'm sure they won't carry on doing it going forward.
     
  12. Hal~9000, Jan 12, 2018
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    I disagree on the bolded part above.

    IMO Apple only made an apology because they got caught red-handed and don't like the negative consequences (i.e. loss of customer trust & profits) of their actions.

    It's like when some white collar criminal gets caught breaking people's trust and profiting from shady actions. They aren't sorry for affecting others... they are simply sorry because they got caught and are going to face the consequences.

    If Apple were truly sorry and learned their lesson, they would do absolutely everything in their power to restore customer trust such as:
    • Antennagate like media event where Tim Cook explains the situation in better detail and apologizes (their current no name paper apology that some random lawyer drafted up, which doesn't explain anything in detail, is beyond worthless)
    • Offer to replace the batteries of all affected models free of charge (like how Jobs bit the bullet and offered free cases, the temporary price cut for battery replacements is laughable).
    • Publish a "white paper" detailing exactly when the throttling begins and how much it slows down the device (they just did recently for FaceID).
    • Put the throttling in the settings as an option, for those who want to risk a random shut-down but keep their device running at full speed (much like how they already do with low power mode).
    • Allow iOS downgrades for those who's device has been negatively affected by an iOS update they accidentally installed which really wasn't really optomized for the older hardware.
    • Offer monthly security patches which are seperate from iOS updates for customers who want to stay on their current version of iOS but still want security.
    Of course, Apple and Cook are much too lazy, arrogant, and greedy to allow any of the above to happen. Instead they will simply try to deny, deflect, and maintain their planned obsolescence model of practically forcing updates and using processors much too power hungry for the small batteries they put in their phones to begin with.

    And yes... there will be quite a few Apple apologists here on the forum which will disagree with my post and try to excuse Apples shady behavior. They will say things like "But... but... but... Apples apology was more than enough!" or other obedient thoughts like "You can't allow people to control their own device and downgrade because that might expose them to viruses!" or "You don't really own your devices OS!" or "Apple was simply trying to help!" or "Most customers are too dumb to even notice!" or the classic: "C'mon, every other manufacturer does it!" :rolleyes:

    Of course in the end I hope Apple gets a good slap upside the head with these lawsuits and starts to act more transparent / customer friendly company with some of the steps I described above, but I doubt it will ever happen. Instead I'll simply grab some popcorn for the fireworks show that is all the class action lawsuits about to pop-off :D
     
  13. Relentless Power, Jan 12, 2018
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    Conflation. The contexts of the throttling lawsuit(s) has been vehemently discussed in detail already through various sources for weeks, regardless of the number, Its all relative to the same Topic.

    If the number drastically grows, then I'm sure it will be reported by more outlets having an updated itinerary of who is involved and where the lawsuits currently stand.

    Your example about them paying a 450 million fine over e-books is comparing two completely separate entities and isn't appropriate, which holds no value to the throttling in terms of litigation. That doesn't give this firm any more leverage in this case against Apple for an entirely separate issue.
     
  14. Brian Y macrumors 68040

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    Hate to say it, but good.

    I'm an Apple fan, but the LEAST they could do would have been to replace affected batteries free of charge. Offering a $29 battery replacement isn't much use to people like my mother, who ended up buying a new phone because hers was slow.
     
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    And? Anyone can file a lawsuit. Apple has full rights to alter their power management in iOS as they see fit. Time to move on.
     
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    Apple not only has the power to do that, but they can also disable your phone after two years. Their software, they can do anything. Logic.
     
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    Where did you get that they could disable your phone after two years?
     
  18. newellj macrumors 603

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    What on Earth are you talking about? Logic is missing here.
     
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    That guy likes to go around from thread to thread and post what he thinks are "provocative" statements to try to get a rise out of people.
     
  20. newellj macrumors 603

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    You're being unnecessarily argumentative. MR has not hidden this, even if they haven't played it up in a way that suits you. The fact is that there is a lot of legal action on this issue, and there will be a lot more. I expect a group of state Attorneys General to jump into this muck pit, claiming to protect consumer interests but primarily seeking to raise their own political profiles. What happens is TBD. Apple has left the field strewn with bad facts, or at least facts that are easy to read badly. They're adults. They don't need my protection or defense. They'll deal with the consequences, whatever those may be, and move on. That's how life works...
     
  21. deferredAnon macrumors 6502

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    That is exactly what he is implying. Because it is Apple software, they can do anything. Otherwise, how can "alter their power management in iOS as they see fit".

    What I mean is, there are legal boundaries.
     
  22. newellj macrumors 603

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    Unfortunately, in this case, Apple seems to be intent on doing everything they can possibly think of to facilitate this sort of response. Hey...it's a company, engaged in a business. It's not my wife or kid or even my dog. I just buy their stuff. *shrug*
     
  23. DNichter macrumors 603

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    Regarding power management of their devices? Absolutely.
     
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