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iMovie lite would be cool to have, but I seem to remember the Sony Ericsson W600i had video editing capabilities, you could even add text and transitions! Man that phone was ahead of its time (for the US).....shame it was orange.
 
Renaming the aluminum macbooks as macbooks pro makes a lot of sense. The $1600 Aluminum macbook basically acts like the 12" powerbook. It's close in power to the base MacBook pro just missing a dedicated video card. Apple could drop the $1300 aluminum model and make that the high end Macbook and turn the $1600 into a MacBook Pro. If they did that though I think it should get a FW800 if possible to bring it closer to the Macbook pro line. I hear all the time that people want a smaller macbook pro that they can take with them especially photo junkies who want it in the field with them to edit pictures on a small device. THis would also allow Apple to make something around a 10" Macbook without calling it a Macbook nano, that way the Macbook name remains part of the cheaper items. This would round out the macbook pro line nicely with a 13-17" offering.

What would be really interesting is a lower powered 15" MacBook to replace the $1600 model that will be moving to a MBP. More than anything i hear people wanting a 15" macbook but don't need the power of the MBP they just want the screen. THis could make things very interesting. It might cannibalize on the MBP section to add a 15" cheaper macbook but honestly people who need a MBP aren't going to go with an underpowered Macbook just because of the bigger screen, it is for older people who need a large screen (can't see as well) or for someone who just enjoys a larger screen when writing emails or just going online.

So you have the MacBooks being plastic? Seems a little strange as Apple touts the aluminum enclosure being so green, maybe green plastics will help.

Yes, as long as the MB's specs doesn't change enough, the 'Pro' means nothing.


And for 15" MBP, I'd like to see more changes in the specs.


Go Apple go!
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If this means, the 13" alu MacBook "Pro" will have a better panel, Firewire and an ExpressCard slot (maybe they can gain the required space by using a non-removable battery) at the same price point, then I am all for it :eek: And if not... I really do not care what they name it.

exactly! good post.
 
One thing always bother me constantly, which is the cooling system inside MB / MBP…

I am sorry to post this here, but all I want to know or all I want Apple to do is delivery a advanced cooling system in the Pro line machine, which can keep the machine cool effectively without extra noise, and that will be Pro done for us.

Maybe liquid cooling system will do some job.
I am using the top of the line MacBook Pro 15" (2.93 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo/4GB 1067 MHz DDR3) and the bottom has never even gotten remotely even warm, much less hot even when I'm throwing a lot of stuff at it. It is miles in difference to my 1 generation 17" PowerBook that got super hot and would make this god-awful churning noise if I only used the Calculator.

I don't know if what you're running, but the new books are seriously improved.
 
That rebranding, quite honestly, sounds absolutely stupid. The current MacBooks, aluminum or not, are not 'pro' machines. It can even be argued that the current MacBook Pro isn't even a 'pro' machine. Stupid, stupid decision on Apple's part if true.

What the heck is a 'pro machine'?
 
I am using the top of the line MacBook Pro 15" (2.93 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo/4GB 1067 MHz DDR3) and the bottom has never even gotten remotely even warm, much less hot even when I'm throwing a lot of stuff at it. It is miles in difference to my 1 generation 17" PowerBook that got super hot and would make this god-awful churning noise if I only used the Calculator.

I don't know if what you're running, but the new books are seriously improved.

Well, that's good for you with cool MBP. :)

FYI, I am running Maya, Photoshop CS4, Premiere CS4, After Effect CS4 in the same time on my MBP 15" (2.4GHz, 4GB, 8600M GT, 500GB HD)
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What would be really interesting is a lower powered 15" MacBook to replace the $1600 model that will be moving to a MBP. More than anything i hear people wanting a 15" macbook but don't need the power of the MBP they just want the screen. THis could make things very interesting. It might cannibalize on the MBP section to add a 15" cheaper macbook but honestly people who need a MBP aren't going to go with an underpowered Macbook just because of the bigger screen, it is for older people who need a large screen (can't see as well) or for someone who just enjoys a larger screen when writing emails or just going online.

So you have the MacBooks being plastic? Seems a little strange as Apple touts the aluminum enclosure being so green, maybe green plastics will help.

I want a Macbook with 15 inch screen. Its easier on my eyes, and I have more space to work with. Why do I have to buy a MBpro to get the 15, when I don't need one? All it does is delay my purchase as I save for a MBpro.

Good point about the environmental angle. If they are going to continue the plastic enclosures how does that jive with their green advertising?

Maybe the cost of the Aluminum casing is turning out to be more than anticipated? Could this explain the rebranding and return to plastic Macbooks?

I'll be interested to see if it will just be a minor speedbump in specs.
 
I am using the top of the line MacBook Pro 15" (2.93 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo/4GB 1067 MHz DDR3) and the bottom has never even gotten remotely even warm, much less hot even when I'm throwing a lot of stuff at it. It is miles in difference to my 1 generation 17" PowerBook that got super hot and would make this god-awful churning noise if I only used the Calculator.

I don't know if what you're running, but the new books are seriously improved.

Play WoW on it for 5 minutes and it will be on fire :) Heck, even watching Hulu raises the temp pretty high.
 
the Next generation Pro-Line with Liquid Cooling System !

IMO, if the Next generation Pro-Line with Liquid Cooling System, that will be a Spot news! :D
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Donz0r, the reason that the apple logo would be illuminated would be because of lighting from the screen. So no, it won't flash. :p
 
The rebranding makes a lot of sense - that aluminum unibody case is really expensive - you wonder why Apple cant deliver one for less than 1299? Its because its not cheap to start with a solid piece of Aluminum and then mill 90% of it away (even if it is recycled, recycling aluminum isn't too cheap either) to end up with a very sturdy shell.

The plasti-macs are much cheaper to produce, and not everyone needs a unibody mac. I think Apple miscalculated on if they could bring the price down over time and that the consumer would spend extra for it (not in this economy).

Its a few things, DDR3 is now almost at price parity with DDR2 - OWC charges $60 for 4GB DDR2 and $70 for 4GB DDR3. Apple could use a lower price point, even if its only $899 (or $849 edu). A $899 and $1099 plasti-mac using the cheap C2D chips (2.0, 2.26GHz) and a $1499 2.53Ghz UMB (nee MBP 13"?). The question there is do the cheap MBs get that X4500 graphics or stick with the 9400M.

Another question I have is can they fit a discrete graphics chip in the thermal envelope for a 13" laptop, especially considering nvidia's history with questionable chips and their "bump" material failing in environments with large temperature differences between hot and cool. I wonder if the 13" MBP keeps the 9400M. Maybe they stick with just the 9400M and clock it faster? Nvidia is taking forever to move the 9400M form 65nm to 55nm or 40nm.
 
i'm not so sure i believe all of this. calling all aluminum notebooks macbook pros? i just don't see that happening. and a smaller iPhone? i really don't see that happening
 
Give the 13" the 9600m and FireWire 800 and then you can call it a "Pro". If it had that and maybe built in 3g for $1699 I'd buy it in a second. The way it currently is now, it is too underpowered to be considered a professional machine.
 
Heck, even watching Hulu raises the temp pretty high.


Yes, those Flash videos always the headache for me. :mad:

Flash videos rise CPU as high as 30% - 60%, and temp for CPU like 40 - 60 celsius, and GPU temp like 50 - 80 celsius.

That's not good. And I understand why Apple dislike Flash at all.:D
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Sucks to be someone with the current Alu Macbook that could have one with "Pro" written on it :p

EDIT: If they bring back Firewire to what is currently the Alu Macbook as many many people have been crying out for (myself included) and then hike the price up to "Pro" prices Apple will be taking the p***. But it wouldn't at all surprise me.
 
Im really tired of these Pro vs not Pro posts. It is just a name. Get whatever you need to get the job done.
 
I always thought it would make sense to drop the price (drastically) on the MBA and make the MBA the low cost budget line and drop the macbooks

my vote is to forget the whole touchtablet and refit the air as a 'net book' with a modified iphone OS and a built in 3g card (plus knock the price down say $500) and drop it as a thin notebook (it doesn't really have enough power for much more than net stuff anyway), drop the white macbook, put firewire 800 in the macbooks, knock a couple of hundred off all the laptop prices and toss in iwork for free along with ilife. plus maybe even the first year of mobileme for free. that would draw folks into the game pretty nicely.
 
my vote is to forget the whole touchtablet and refit the air as a 'net book' with a modified iphone OS and a built in 3g card (plus knock the price down say $500) and drop it as a thin notebook (it doesn't really have enough power for much more than net stuff anyway), drop the white macbook, put firewire 800 in the macbooks, knock a couple of hundred off all the laptop prices and toss in iwork for free along with ilife. plus maybe even the first year of mobileme for free. that would draw folks into the game pretty nicely.

Well, that will be a very big move for Apple. Hence it's not gonna happen, dude. :D
 
Well, that will be a very big move for Apple. Hence it's not gonna happen, dude. :D

you never know. I mean there has been talk they would never do a netbook and yet now look at the rumors. talk they would never do a cell phone and yet they have done it.

the only talk that I can't see happening is the whole blu-ray thing and that's due to two issues.
1. stats that blu-ray isn't taking off the way folks said it would and downloads are taking off
2. work on dvd disks that can hold up to 1TB of data removing the need for even a 'blu-ray data' disk option
but I won't be shocked if I'm proven wrong
 
I'm trying to think of what good can come from upping the CPU. Besides Safari and the core OS, increasing CPU performance and RAM for programs just creates a headache for developers in trying to create software for multiple devices. Do you code for older software and ignore speed and memory increases? Do you ignore older hardware and stick with the latest? And because Apple isn't even clear with the differences between the 2nd gen iPod Touch and the 1st gen iPod Touch (HUGE world of difference in performance), I'm wondering if they won't botch this in some way. In fact, in no official docs does it show the speed at which the iPhone OS is running for a device. Had we not found out through other methods, we'd just be wondering why on earth the 1st gen iPod Touch was so gosh darn slow!
 
LOL, I like my Macbook Pro more than any other PC's design. And I just want my next Macbook Pro even closer to the real Pro laptop.:D

Oh, don't get me wrong, I love my Macbook, and it has been (mostly) great to me. I guess the main point is that I would like it to be a little more function over form, but I suppose that is asking a little much of Apple. I guess it is just a bit of buyer's remorse, especially when at the time the other PC laptops had same / better specs for less price. And yes, fanboys, I did compare ALL the specs, from cache to GPU to RAM speed. An alienware (at the time) would have blown my Macbook out of the water for the same if not cheaper. Vista scared me to death at the time though :eek: Granted, now, the MB's are a hard to beat value in terms of components...

LOL, sorry, I seem to have veered off-topic :D

The word you're looking for is discrete.

haha thank you Mr. Grammar Policeman :D
Honestly, I have spell-check on and if it doesn't give me the 'ol red line, I don't think much of it. This ain't a school paper or anything :p
 
you never know. I mean there has been talk they would never do a netbook and yet now look at the rumors. talk they would never do a cell phone and yet they have done it.

the only talk that I can't see happening is the whole blu-ray thing and that's due to two issues.
1. stats that blu-ray isn't taking off the way folks said it would and downloads are taking off
2. work on dvd disks that can hold up to 1TB of data removing the need for even a 'blu-ray data' disk option
but I won't be shocked if I'm proven wrong

You are right, but for first year free of mobileme will cause a lot of revenue lose for Apple, especially in this economy. :D

Blu-ray, in another way, is not so important as a necessity. Even the building DVD burner can be remove for another battery or second HD. :apple:
 
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