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My opinion is that the only number that Apple follows is the number of MacBook Pros it sold last quarter. And, given the rather robust sales numbers, all the people on this thread who are complaining are likely screaming into the wind. If 32GB RAM was a deal breaker, one would see it in the sales numbers. Perhaps the sales could be even better with 32GB RAM as an option, but I don't believe that Mr. Cook is fretting about a 32GB option to accelerate sales.

And, those that really need more horsepower, are looking at other platforms like the iMac Pro. Sure, it's not portable, but then there are always tradeoffs. If Apple engineered 32GB RAM into a MacBook Pro today, then there would be endless whining about the tradeoffs precipitated by poorer battery performance.

Wonder why we aren't seeing complaints that the MacBook Pro doesn't have 5k resolution. And, no internal RAID option. And no built in power redundancy. And...
 
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My opinion is that the only number that Apple follows is the number of MacBook Pros it sold last quarter. And, given the rather robust sales numbers, all the people on this thread who are complaining are likely screaming into the wind. If 32GB RAM was a deal breaker, one would see it in the sales numbers. Perhaps the sales could be even better with 32GB RAM as an option, but I don't believe that Mr. Cook is fretting about a 32GB option to accelerate sales.
Totally agree, and the truth of the matter is that this market is a niche market. I like it when niche is supported, even small ones, but I can totally understand why Apple won't compromise the design to shoehorn 32 GB into a laptop. This is especially true when they had good sales last year, and when the chipsets for 32 GB laptops are coming next year anyway.

And, those that really need more horsepower, are looking at other platforms like the iMac Pro. Sure, it's not portable, but then there are always tradeoffs. If Apple engineered 32GB RAM into a MacBook Pro today, then there would be endless whining about the tradeoffs precipitated by poorer battery performance.
Bingo. Either it'd have worse battery life or it would be brick because of a much larger battery.
 
and when the chipsets for 32 GB laptops are coming next year anyway.

how do you mean the chipsets for 32GB laptops will be out next year? I have a number of them now, granted not Apple. I even have a pair with 64GB ..... my first 32GB model I purchased was July 10 2011 ( almost seven whole freaking years ago ) with a first gen i7
 
how do you mean the chipsets for 32GB laptops will be out next year? I have a number of them now, granted not Apple. I even have a pair with 64GB ..... my first 32GB model I purchased was July 10 2011 ( almost seven whole freaking years ago ) with a first gen i7
Already mentioned several times in this thread. LPDDR4. Current 32GB laptops do not support LP RAM, which means battery life suffers.
 
Thank you for proving my point.


The word "significant" does not mean "large." Why am I not surprised that a guy who makes up numbers doesn't know this?

You're obviously just hostile at this point, so I see no reason to continue. Everything you said just seems like your personal, subjective opinion to me, but you're trying to paint it as some objective truth. At least I admit my views are subjective.

To end, I'll just repeat my thoughts: I strongly believe that most people here don't need 32Gb RAM and think they do, because they don't really know how memory and memory management works. Some people do need more than 16Gb and if they want to do their memory-intensive work on a laptop, they are out of luck. This is just my opinion, feel free to disagree.

P.S. English is not my first language and, also, I am not a scientist, but in everyday talk, "significant" does mean "substantial, noteworthy". Quote dictonaries all you like. Also, I've now changed my '90% number of people' to '91.78%' just for kicks.
 
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The point is yes many folks might not need 32GB, then again many folks don't need macbook pro laptops, thye buy then cause they want them, and there are those that do intensive high memory, high GPU work, right now much of that work is being done by imacs and imac pro's, and I am sure that if there was a mobile version of an imac pro, this would sell, and sell well, when you can do the same work on a mobile device why not.

Apple as I see it, should be pushing the boundary of technology, yet it is wiping the arse of technology, this is sad for such a great company, that was once "think different" and an innovation leader, now it is just a pusher of dog egg devices.

Apple is a company lost, it does not quite know what it wants to be, or where it wants to go, or even how to fix the problems it has created..We bicker and bitch about number of users, we have lost sight that Apple is not listening to us, the consumers, we are buying in great numbers devices that are for the most part unsuitable, but the alternative is not viable in some cases..

It is a catch 22 situation, I am sure that 17 inch laptops, with 64GB RAM, 1TB very fast SSD, enough ports, SD card slot, mag safe power, no touch bar, reliable keys on the keyboard, would sell very well.

Apple has no idea how laptops will be used in the wild, the more choice the better, being able to upgrade post purchase makes so much sense, this would allow development of better RAM sticks, replaceable parts, made for apple products, external GPU support for intensive workloads, why not???

I fully support a post purchase upgradeable 32/64GB RAM 17 inch laptop..If it was on sale, I would buy one...and upgrade it as I see the need/have the budget...

Let's not forget, not everyone lives in the USA where Apple laptops are as cheap as starbucks coffee, as you can see where my location is, we do not have official Apple here, we have resellers, that have marked up prices something ridiculous, more than 200% mark up, so buying fully specced is nigh impossible, you can buy a decent 1 bed flatsit for less than a fully specced imac pro!!! No jokes!!

So upgrading post purchase is the only way to afford to update, or if you go the HP route, then wow, the cost of that device, a decent german branded car is cheaper...!!!
 
Hi aevan

The point is yes many folks might not need 32GB, then again many folks don't need macbook pro laptops, thye buy then cause they want them, and there are those that do intensive high memory, high GPU work, right now much of that work is being done by imacs and imac pro's, and I am sure that if there was a mobile version of an imac pro, this would sell, and sell well, when you can do the same work on a mobile device why not.

Apple is a company lost, it does not quite know what it wants to be, or where it wants to go, or even how to fix the problems it has created..


Thank you for your reply and for a polite conversation. I cannot agree with you, however, I don't think Apple is lost or doesn't know what it wants to be. They just don't seem to be making the products that you need or want.


It is a catch 22 situation, I am sure that 17 inch laptops, with 64GB RAM, 1TB very fast SSD, enough ports, SD card slot, mag safe power, no touch bar, reliable keys on the keyboard, would sell very well.

If that was the case, Apple would sell them. But Apple has the market data that is much better than anything we can assume. Sometimes, we get the impression something would sell well because our social circles seem to want it. But in reality, it is a small number compared to the number of devices Apple needs to sell to be profitable. It's just how it is, but Apple is a profit-oriented company so if 17" 64Gb laptops would sell well, they would sell them, no doubt. Obviously, there isn't much of a demand for them.


Apple as I see it, should be pushing the boundary of technology, yet it is wiping the arse of technology, this is sad for such a great company, that was once "think different" and an innovation leader, now it is just a pusher of dog egg devices.

It always comes down to this: our personal expectations. We measure companies by our needs, not by the needs of the market. I don't see how the new MacBook Pro, which is - in my opinion - the best laptop you can buy at the moment is "wiping the arse of technology". Clearly, you want a laptop with stronger hardware specs, so this is not the case for you. This is all fine, but highly subjective.
 
Apple moved from a post purchase upgrade system to a non post purchase upgrade system for most of the devices it designs and sells, this was done for many reasons, some we can speculate, and others we can only scratch our heads thinking, "What was Apple thinking...?"

Sometimes ideas work, and other times they tank, the trashcan tanked badly, so instead of binning the entire project, Apple decides to resell this as the ispeaker prototype.. A good idea or a bad idea, time will tell, so far, mixed reviews, trending towards a bad idea, maybe if firmware updates enable certain missing features, this might save the traschcan ispeaker..

There is nothing about the new macbook pro that makes it "pro", in the olden days, we had the macbook, plastic, and the macbook pro, metal case, and swop out parts, yay..the world was right!!!!!

Now we have a range of ipads with keyboards attached, some called macbooks, and some called macbook pro..The "pro" range should have certain features not found on the fisher-price my first computer macbooks..The pro should have swop out parts, be upgradeable, be able to be serviced by in-house trained staff, instead of half trained marketing students at wooden bench all glass stores!!!

The limited number of ports, the silly power supply system, makes this just as a stupid a product as a Dell, or HP, ok, under the hood, they have the same parts, but the mac should be better...

This thread is about 32GB RAM macbooks, and sure why not, why not try and go for it...Apple if they took the trouble would see at least 1 person who will buy a 64GB RAM 1TB fast SSD 17 inch macbook pro...It must have magsafe...

A flatmate of mine saved up and bought a very expensive HP laptop, and within 1 day of buying it, it was destroyed when she stood on the power cord that was firmly wedged in the case of the laptop, and boy did she wail about it, for weeks...I felt so bad, as it was very expensive, see above why.., and my laptop had mag safe, and how many times had I stepped, tripped over the cord and the laptop was unaffected.

Apple had it been smart, would have licenced this tech out to HP/DELL, I am sure for a $1 more, it would not have much of a difference to the cost of the HP laptop that was destroyed within 24 hours.

I tried my best to buy the best I could afford, the price from 4GB to 8GB was a big one, but from 8GB to 16GB was more than twice what I paid for the 8GB laptop...but if I could upgrade the RAM now I would pay to have it done, no question...even at $1000 it would be worth it to me to have this hunk o junk upgraded...Apple has missed a trick here...I would play the tax to upgrade, I was prepared before and it was not problem...

That is the point, you buy low and upgrade, this creates a flow of money, surely Tim's bosses would be happy to see an extra income stream, instead of stagnant sales as the high end is just too high end, but if you are selling more of the lower priced items and there is an income from RAM sales how is this bad??

When Apple released the previous generation macbook pro, with the silver keys, it was sold with 1GB RAM, but everyone just ordered a 2x1GB pair of sticks, so that the next refresh of macbook pro's came with 2GB, as standard..sure it was a tad more, more than buying a macbook pro with 1GB, but at least you had 2 sticks, over time I bought more RAM...

Apple has no idea there is a planet out there, Siri has no idea, not sure why we have a terrible reseller here, and fake Apple istores, not offical ones, very limited itunes, etc...

Yes Apple is lost, they have lost what they want to be, what sort of brand they want to be..They are not about think different, not sure what Apple is now...

The fact we don't have 32/64GB laptops is not about low power RAM, that is just BS, they could have solved this years ago, but yet this is not the case...no replacement mac pro, stupid imac pro's that even bloggers are thinking was this a good investment...

Everything is subjective, and all I am doing is expressing my views, about how I see things, and I see Apple Inc as a company in crisis at the moment...
 
Everything is subjective, and all I am doing is expressing my views, about how I see things, and I see Apple Inc as a company in crisis at the moment...

This is far from a company in crisis as reported by macrumours in 2017 ‘for the quarter, Apple posted revenue of $52.6 billion and net quarterly profit of $10.7 billion, or $2.07 per diluted share, compared to revenue of $46.9 billion and net quarterly profit of $9 billion, or $1.67 per diluted share, in the year-ago quarter‘.

However, I do understand what you are saying. In terms of product lineup, things appear a little awkward at the moment. I anticipate this to be cleared up at the education event or next event!
 
What I mean is not a crisis of financial, although it does not take much to bring a huge company to it's knees..
What I meant was the line up is dull, the outlook dull, Apple is trading on a very slim line up of products, the products are stale and consumers are becoming more risk adverse, so in a way Apple is in crisis, it does not quite know what to do next...

Apple has this arrogance that they will not listen to the market, the market must adapt to the whims of Tim/Jony and that bunch of merry folk, and one day this will come as a shock, the market will tell them with the use of the "bird" exactly what the market thinks..

Call me whatever you like, maybe I am wrong, but it just seems to me Tim Cook has lost the plot, sure the line up is selling, the products are so dull, so cookie cutter, almost communistic in design...Where everyone drove Trabants or Yogo's...they cannot be upgraded, they do the job now, but in a year they are starting to suffer....

Apple needs to change attitude or it will fail...It is not immune to market forces, no matter how hard Tim says to the market to eff off...He knows best...in this case sorry Tim you are just about to face a monster...
 
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Yes, I understood what you meant. In a boardroom-lack of profit or revenue would equal a crisis however. Apple will be more than happy with the figures.

Let’s not forget-from the very beginning, the idea has been a computer that is not user friendly in terms of upgradability. It has been nice to do this on previous MacBook’s and the Mac Pro however and the modular Mac will be interesting (when it finally comes out).
 
A modular mac is what? It is post purchase upgradeable I would assume, being modular, you buy modules as you need, which is I guess a form of upgrading...

What is wrong with having mobile computers that cannot be upgraded..say call it an Air...
Have a mobile computer that can be upgraded, modified after purchase, say call this Pro..

I am sure that once long ago, there was such a system, it was called the macbook, and the macbook pro, my memory might be a bit fuzzy, but was the macbook pro the white plastic one, and the cheap lower standard version, the macbook this was the one in silver metal case???

You knew when you made the decision what you wanted, you knew the plastic one was the fischer price my first computer and the silver one was a serious bit of kit..You had choices if you bought the big boy's toy...

If Apple is going to make a 32/64GB retina or better macbook pro laptop...surely if you are going to have a modular mac something, why not extend the modular range into both desktop and mobile? makes sense, projects you start on the desktop, you take on the road..[hopefully fcpx is fixed to handle this...], after all Apple harps on about being able to write War and Peace Vol 3 on an ipad, then put that down, carry on using mac os x, then if you need to, finish using watchos..

So really for serious professionals, those that have more degree's than a thermometer, using big fancy words, upgradeable and modular would fly off the shelf...I have watched enough tv to see those smarty pants folks use big fancy computing devices, in silver usually, with a fruit emblem...I have also seen silver laptops used in theatres..not the ones you need an MD for, arts, ballet, that sort of thing...they also need power and batteries....

So really the planet of people out there would buy modular upgradeable laptops, sure they may not be 13-21 year old students...does that matter??

I am so tired of having no choice when it comes to buying stuff...One of the reasons I boycott the golden arch place, they only have tomato sauce, I prefer BBQ, so I buy my fast food from a place that has BBQ sauce and tomato sauce...choice is better...

Apple may be based in the most capitalistic country on the planet, but it sure behaves as the most communistic brand on the planet...Are we sure Apple is not based in China???
 
So really for serious professionals, those that have more degree's than a thermometer, using big fancy words, upgradeable and modular would fly off the shelf...

Look, I’ll save you the next long post. You don’t like the new MacBooks, we get it. A lot of us like them. Lets leave it at that. Get a PC.
 
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What I mean is not a crisis of financial, although it does not take much to bring a huge company to it's knees..
What I meant was the line up is dull, the outlook dull, Apple is trading on a very slim line up of products, the products are stale and consumers are becoming more risk adverse, so in a way Apple is in crisis, it does not quite know what to do next...

Apple has this arrogance that they will not listen to the market, the market must adapt to the whims of Tim/Jony and that bunch of merry folk, and one day this will come as a shock, the market will tell them with the use of the "bird" exactly what the market thinks..

Call me whatever you like, maybe I am wrong, but it just seems to me Tim Cook has lost the plot, sure the line up is selling, the products are so dull, so cookie cutter, almost communistic in design...Where everyone drove Trabants or Yogo's...they cannot be upgraded, they do the job now, but in a year they are starting to suffer....

Apple needs to change attitude or it will fail...It is not immune to market forces, no matter how hard Tim says to the market to eff off...He knows best...in this case sorry Tim you are just about to face a monster...

A modular mac is what? It is post purchase upgradeable I would assume, being modular, you buy modules as you need, which is I guess a form of upgrading...

What is wrong with having mobile computers that cannot be upgraded..say call it an Air...
Have a mobile computer that can be upgraded, modified after purchase, say call this Pro..

I am sure that once long ago, there was such a system, it was called the macbook, and the macbook pro, my memory might be a bit fuzzy, but was the macbook pro the white plastic one, and the cheap lower standard version, the macbook this was the one in silver metal case???

You knew when you made the decision what you wanted, you knew the plastic one was the fischer price my first computer and the silver one was a serious bit of kit..You had choices if you bought the big boy's toy...

If Apple is going to make a 32/64GB retina or better macbook pro laptop...surely if you are going to have a modular mac something, why not extend the modular range into both desktop and mobile? makes sense, projects you start on the desktop, you take on the road..[hopefully fcpx is fixed to handle this...], after all Apple harps on about being able to write War and Peace Vol 3 on an ipad, then put that down, carry on using mac os x, then if you need to, finish using watchos..

So really for serious professionals, those that have more degree's than a thermometer, using big fancy words, upgradeable and modular would fly off the shelf...I have watched enough tv to see those smarty pants folks use big fancy computing devices, in silver usually, with a fruit emblem...I have also seen silver laptops used in theatres..not the ones you need an MD for, arts, ballet, that sort of thing...they also need power and batteries....

So really the planet of people out there would buy modular upgradeable laptops, sure they may not be 13-21 year old students...does that matter??

I am so tired of having no choice when it comes to buying stuff...One of the reasons I boycott the golden arch place, they only have tomato sauce, I prefer BBQ, so I buy my fast food from a place that has BBQ sauce and tomato sauce...choice is better...

Apple may be based in the most capitalistic country on the planet, but it sure behaves as the most communistic brand on the planet...Are we sure Apple is not based in China???

for a "serious professional" you do spend a lot of time on this forum.

anyway i'm not sure what you're talking about. if anything tim cook is the more typical ceo than steve. steve never listened to the market at all ever.
 
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Apple's "excuses" are laughable at best, self serving at the worst. Those that decry it have everything to gain and little to loose and very likely to be first in lime and promote the 32Gb MBP.

Stop excusing such poor performance and start demanding what you rightfully expect from a premium product, that pushes the envelope not locks it down...

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Apple's "excuses" are laughable at best, self serving at the worst. Those that decry it have everything to gain and little to loose and very likely to be first in lime and promote the 32Gb MBP.

Stop excusing such poor performance and start demanding what you rightfully expect from a premium product, that pushes the envelope not locks it down...

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I have many expectations of Apple and I wish for a lot of things they do not deliver, but 32Gb RAM on a laptop is not one of them. And I do some demanding 3D stuff on mine, btw.

This is just that class of laptop. Surface Book also maxes out at 16, and that is a very good machine.

You may feel differently and have different needs, that is fine. I just wish you stopped presenting this as some general issue that applies to everyone rather than a small, very specific group of people.
 
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I have many expectations of Apple and I wish for a lot of things they do not deliver, but 32Gb RAM on a laptop is not one of them. And I do some demanding 3D stuff on mine, btw.

This is just that class of laptop. Surface Book also maxes out at 16, and that is a very good machine.

You may feel differently and have different needs, that is fine. I just wish you stopped presenting this as some general issue that applies to everyone rather than a small, very specific group of people.

I simply expect more as do many others. 32Gb is not so stratospheric as one would expect. Apple needs to stop straddling the fence, make a decision with the MBP either being a professional tool or a well appointed consumer notebook, currently the latter sadly reigns...

Answer this simple question - Would a MBP with 32Gb RAM negatively or positively impact your workflow?

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I simply expect more as do many others. 32Gb is not so stratospheric as one would expect. Apple needs to stop straddling the fence, make a decision with the MBP either being a professional tool or a well appointed consumer notebook, currently the latter sadly reigns...

Answer this simple question - Would a MBP with 32Gb RAM negatively or positively impact your workflow?

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Depends on the tradeoff.

Let me clarify: I don't think it's that simple as just giving people the option to get 32Gb of non-LPDDR. I can imagine (and this is pure speculation) that a 32Gb laptop would have even worse battery life (not great to begin with) and that a lot of people would buy 32Gb just because they are enthusiasts and always buy the most they can - they are also the most vocal and they would spread around how the MBP has abysmal battery life, then the Verge would write an article about MBP battery life and we'd have a whole battery issue, etc. I can imagine how Apple decided that 32Gb does not meet whatever minimum of battery life they have set.

Of course, you could argue that they should put a bigger battery in the first place. That would make the computer thicker, and some people happy.

Or maybe they could squeeze a better battery in this thin chassis, but that would, perhaps, eat into their profit margins (which I couldn't care less about but, unfortunately, is all their investors do care about). I have no idea! Again, not defending them, just saying that things are not simple.

Now, ask me again: would a MBP with 32Gb RAM that is thicker and heavier negatively impact my workflow? The answer is "yes, it would" (not greatly, but I'd rather have a thinner laptop than a 32Gb variant - of course, this is just me and my needs, perfectly understand others have different requirements).

Ok, I can already hear you answer: sure, but Apple has two choices here. 1. They could give the 32Gb option that would have worse battery life, or 2. they could offer a thicker variant of MBP designed for 32Gb option.

1. This would cause problems I mentioned in the first paragraph. People often buy things they don't need and a lot of people would just make their battery life worse by getting the "maximum" upgrade they don't really need. A lot of companies give people the choice - for better or worse. This may be a good or a bad thing, depending on how you look at it, but it's definitely not an "Apple thing". They do not compromise in what they consider important things. Again, I am not justifying (or criticizing) their logic (nor do I know what it is, exactly) - but they have certain goals: X battery life for Y thickness that they go for on ALL of their products.

2. Again, this would solve a lot of problems for a lot of people, but it's not the Apple way.


Look, there are many things here that are open to discussion and interpretation. One could argue that they already have a messed up laptop lineup, so there is no excuse. You could also argue that for whatever reason they forced themselves into a corner with the battery life. I am not debating you here - that is a discussion for a different time, one I'll gladly have with you. But what I'm saying is this: Apple is a very opinionated company. I like that about them. Others hate that about them. It's fine. This kind of company will always make products that are polarizing. Lately, Microsoft has been doing something similar and making some very interesting laptops (although I don't see anyone complaining how Microsoft doesn't have 32Gb laptops - and they don't, or how they don't have thunderbolt 3 laptops - and they don't, or how they don't have quad-core laptops - and until very recently, they didn't).

In the end of the day, Microsoft and Apple make laptops for a specific group of people. Others, like HP for example, make workstation laptops for the other group. But it's wrong to say that Apple/Microsoft laptop users are not professional or that MBPs and Surfaces aren't professional. As I said, I do some relatively demanding 3D work on mine, and I do it for work. I don't need more than 16Gb - if I did, I'd have to get a HP Zbook. That wouldn't mean MBP is a flawed device, just that it wasn't for me.

The fact is - we don't really know what the logic behind any Apple's product is. One thing I'm fairly certain is this: Apple would love to sell you a 32Gb option. As soon as they can make one that fits their criteria, they will.

As for me, I still don't really understand the 32Gb craze on these forums. If we're "demanding" things (that may or may not be realistic) from Apple, why not ask for something that actually would benefit a lot more users here - and that is better GPU performance?
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32Gb is not so stratospheric as one would expect.
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You don't really know that, do you? I mean, if it was easy, Apple would surely offer it (for even bigger profit margins). There must be a technical reason, it's not like they are deliberately choosing not to offer more.

And only their engineers know if it is or isn't "stratospheric". We can only speculate.
 
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Correct me if I am wrong, but RAM is only part of the problem, what is needed more than RAM, and having more RAM would help is more effective processor units, depending on the type of calculation being processed?

For video editing, possibly better graphics processors and for geeky types CPU's? I know that when it comes to video editing, trying to handle 8K video files in say RAW without some sort of "proxy" is a nightmare, not sure why this is, would a better internal GPU work? I understand battery and power is a problem, doing the heavy calculations would drain a battery very quickly...I get that, so surely big brains have thought of this???

Why not have a range of devices that say you buy pre-built BTO [build to order] that maybe has enhanced GPU or 2xGPU for high end video editing, that can be operating system switched off when off the cord???

Look this might be pie in the sky, hopeful thinking, no one thought of doing editing the way Apple has shown with FCPX..so maybe not such a bad idea..

RAM is only one part of the processing of data pathway, CPU, GPU, RAM, hard drives, and not sure what else is under the hood that has a role to play, making one part better maybe is ineffective, maybe increasing RAM has a placebo effect, maybe not...

Modular is maybe the new dawn of technology, I just hope that I can buy what I need, when I need it, and not be forced to buy a fixed device that very quickly reaches a limit, where as with modular this is not the case, I can enjoy a long fruitful ability to create and not be frustrated by the limits of the technology....

I assume this is the wish of most people, so really this is aimed at those at the space ship, please please can we have devices that allow us to be productive...It surely cannot be that hard!!!!
 
You don't really know that, do you? I mean, if it was easy, Apple would surely offer it (for even bigger profit margins). There must be a technical reason, it's not like they are deliberately choosing not to offer more.

And only their engineers know if it is or isn't "stratospheric". We can only speculate.

It would be easy for Apple to update the Mini and Pro more frequently than 4-5 years, but alas they can't be bothered.

Apple is notorious for exorbitant RAM upgrade prices. They've also tended to cheap out on RAM which quickly becomes the bottleneck for the device.

When the iPhone 6 came out, many of us were saying it should have more than 1 GB of RAM. Of course, some people claimed that nobody could ever need more than 1 GB on a phone and expecting as much from Apple was preposterous since their memory management was magical. Of course, 1-2 years later iOS runs like absolute garbage on it and those same people say of course it runs slow... it only has 1 GB of RAM!

Anyways, the 15" MBP starts at a whopping CAD $3200 here, $1200 more than it started at a few years ago. I don't really want to buy a machine that has all other specs great and will last 10 years, but lacking on the RAM front. This isn't a CAD $1000 machine that I'd replace every 3-4 years.
 
You can have no idea just how much we pay for Apple product here, easily after exchange rates taken into account, by far the most expensive Apple products by far sold here...SO yeah I would love to have a product that has the ability to be updated as an when needed.

Force the RAM makers to be smart about how they develop products, have a long term plan in mind, say 120 months, so that form factors are taken into account, have the RAM be x wide and y long, and have z power rating, so that the actual RAM can develop from a slower speed to a higher speed...A bit like a car, the car can only be so many inches wide, the road lane dictates the width, this allows the designers to go high and go long, and go fancy inside the engine bay, and the passenger cab to entice the consumer to buy that product...

So the same with Apple, sure we had it before, with the silver keyboard macbook pro, and it worked so well. Now not so much, a real step backwards and onto a dog egg, a stinky heap of baked in the sun dog eggs...

So really Apple could listen to what the consumer wants, fixed glued in products..macbook airs, and modular replaceable parts..macbook pro, priced at very different prices..I would hate to have to pay the "tax" to upgrade but if it must be paid 1 or 3 years later, and I get an almost new laptop for a couple hundred Dollars, then it is worth it, to shelve a basically functional device for the lack of extra RAM, or a better GPU or CPU...why not, if it costs 20-40% of a new laptop to replace, then it is worth it...
 
It would be easy for Apple to update the Mini and Pro more frequently than 4-5 years, but alas they can't be bothered.

Apple is notorious for exorbitant RAM upgrade prices. They've also tended to cheap out on RAM which quickly becomes the bottleneck for the device.

When the iPhone 6 came out, many of us were saying it should have more than 1 GB of RAM. Of course, some people claimed that nobody could ever need more than 1 GB on a phone and expecting as much from Apple was preposterous since their memory management was magical. Of course, 1-2 years later iOS runs like absolute garbage on it and those same people say of course it runs slow... it only has 1 GB of RAM!

Anyways, the 15" MBP starts at a whopping CAD $3200 here, $1200 more than it started at a few years ago. I don't really want to buy a machine that has all other specs great and will last 10 years, but lacking on the RAM front. This isn't a CAD $1000 machine that I'd replace every 3-4 years.

You didn’t really read my post, did you? You’re just repeating “I want more RAM!”, like I’m somehow against having more.

If you want to discuss this with me, read what I wrote in the post and come back.
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It surely cannot be that hard!!!!

In fact, hardware design is very hard, especially on mobile computers. For every decision, there are tradeoffs. You want modular design? There are downsides. You want a closed, thin, seamless design? There are downsides.

In the end, it comes down to business decisions based on the market (Apple makes really good decisions there, because they sell stuff really well) and to technical capabilities. Everyone thinks these big companies can do everything “only if they wanted to”, but that is not the case. They have to meet specifications, produce at very large volumes with multiple suppliers, hit profit margins, etc. It is hard.

Design a modular laptop that can be produced at a massive scale but is also pretty and sleek enough to sell at volumes that Apple needs and you’ll probably get a really big office in Apple HQ (even if they decide not to sell it because of business reasons).
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Modular is maybe the new dawn of technology,

Actually, the industry - for better or worse - is moving away from this trend, rapidly.
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I assume this is the wish of most people,

We don’t really have the data on what most people want, we base our assumptions on a very small, like-minded sample around us. All the people on this forum, for example, are a niche group when you think about it.
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So really Apple could listen to what the consumer wants,

Apple is, apparently, really good at making what consumers want, because they sell a ton of products, including the latest laptops.
 
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You didn’t really read my post, did you? You’re just repeating “I want more RAM!”, like I’m somehow against having more.

If you want to discuss this with me, read what I wrote in the post and come back.

You said if it were easy, Apple would do it. My point is that they have a history of not doing things that would be easy (that people want), as well as a history of limiting the RAM of devices.

Not saying it's one way or the other, but if they wanted do, they could have it done (as others have). They could also update the Mini if they remember it's a product they sell. :p
 
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