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3G iPhone in Japan?

yoyo5280 said:
You don't like it here do you...?
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No, I'm not a big fan of Japan. The country is OK (I know there are worse places to be, although this is as close to third-world as I have ever experienced first hand) and some of the locals are friendly enough, it's just that I HATE Japanese companies and the mindless automatons who work for them (numerous examples available upon request, more on that below). And the fact that the locals tolerate such a high level of incompetence because it's all they've ever known annoys me even more. I was really hoping that having access to the internet (ie, instant global communication) would enlighten the general public, but unfortunately most people think the 'internet' is the watered-down, spoon-fed portal crap that they get through their technically advanced, yet remarkably useless mobile phones. I use the word useless kind of loosely, of course, mainly due to the fact that despite all their advances, Japanese phones STILL lack real email clients, the ability to install any non-Japanese Java apps, or the ability to play non-DRM music with their built-in media players, etc ...

But hey, that's just my opinion. And this is hardly the place to get into it. But if you want to buy me a beer sometime, I'd be happy to discuss it further. ;)
 
mavis said:
No, I'm not a big fan of Japan.
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Why in god's name are you here?

But hey, that's just my opinion. And this is hardly the place to get into it.
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Absolutely right on that count.

But if you want to buy me a beer sometime, I'd be happy to discuss it further. ;)
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Nah, It was enough for me just to read your off-topic xenophobic rant.

It's fine to feel that way I guess but why someone who did would chose to live here is a bit perplexing. No one's stopping you from leaving, are they? :p

If anything, the advent of the Internet and cellphones have been a major negative influence on Japanese culture in my opinion. I arrived here before both, 15 years ago. I think the keitai addiction is a major illness. It's not limited to Japan either, just worse here. I see it in the states when I'm home too.

People used to have a whole lot more actual human interaction. ;)

Oh, and the Internet is hardly a place you want to go to seek enlightenment by the way. Ee gads. :eek:

The iPhone's a cool device and I'd like to get one if they release it here in 3G to replace the cellphone I'm using now. However, it is hardly the center of my existence. I watched from afar the iPhone mania last year in the states at its release with dismay. It was a bit scary to see people get that manic (lines around the block at Apple Stores, etc, camping out a week in advance) over a gadget.

The phrase "get a life" sprang to mind. :rolleyes:
 
SaSaSushi said:
If anything, the advent of the Internet and cellphones have been a major negative influence on Japanese culture in my opinion. I arrived here before both, 15 years ago. I think the keitai addiction is a major illness. It's not limited to Japan either, just worse here. I see it in the states when I'm home too.

People used to have a whole lot more actual human interaction. ;)

Oh, and the Internet is hardly a place you want to go to seek enlightenment by the way. Ee gads. :eek:

The iPhone's a cool device and I'd like to get one if they release it here in 3G to replace the cellphone I'm using now. However, it is hardly the center of my existence. I watched from afar the iPhone mania last year in the states at its release with dismay. It was a bit scary to see people get that manic (lines around the block at Apple Stores, etc, camping out a week in advance) over a gadget.

The phrase "get a life" sprang to mind. :rolleyes:
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I agree with you that the internet and cellphones have a negative impacted on Japan. Its a insane how alot of my friends here would rather message each other than go out and talk. Guys in Japan have it the worse from my experience here so far. And the Keitai is insanely addictive, I know. Before when I use to live in the States I would rarely use my cellphone, but since I've been in Japan my keitai has never left my side for more than 15 minutes or so. I message about 120 times a day(thats just sending message, not receiving), always on the internet and always checking my gps(kumamoto ken has the crappiest roadways). And I feel I could not enjoy/live without my keitai in Japan.

About the iphone, I would of loved for it to come out through Softbank(because I have Softbank), but i'm not surprised that it didnt. I think it will be a hate it or love it thing in Japan. One: because people seem to want the smallest and cutest phones(Just like ipods), two: no cellphone straps(hehe had to be said), three: there are alot of things that it will need just to equal some of the standard keitai's and if they dont have it people may not want it.
Like 1seg, I use it everyday on my 1+ hour trip to kumamoto for school and work, and so do many others. osaifu keitai, comes in very handy when I realize I dont have enough money at some places or am to lazy to get the exact change out. And the big thing is the camera on the keitai. the quality in japan on cellphone cameras are amazing, and people use their cellphone camera more than their other ones. and for the iphone to have anything less than 3.0 mp will be bad. Also sekigaisen(Infrared data transfer), got to have that.

But I do like the iphone, because its different. I just could not give up the phone I have now. If I could get one really cheap if they were to come out, I would buy it and use both.
 
Many of you make great points about how different one culture is from another.

Having spent months on the other side of the world, my eyes were opened to seeing multiple countries and how different they and their people are in terms of everyday activities, etc....

I do think though that the iPhone means more/less to different people. For me, the iPhone is something to go crazy for as I use the iPod daily, EMAIL minutely, pictures weekly, and calender secondly :)
 
SaSaSushi said:
Why in god's name are you here?
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I have my reasons, but 1) they're hardly relevant to this thread and 2) they're really none of your business. :rolleyes:

SaSaSushi said:
Nah, It was enough for me just to read your off-topic xenophobic rant.

It's fine to feel that way I guess but why someone who did would chose to live here is a bit perplexing. No one's stopping you from leaving, are they?
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Calling my rant xenophobic is rich considering where it is that we live, don't you think? That actually made me laugh out loud. Just for kicks, you ought to try googling the words xenophobic and Japan together, and see how many pages come up. ;)

However, I really don't think this is the place for that discussion (and for someone who supposedly agrees on that count, you seem to continue to want to beat this horse) ... :confused:
 
mavis said:
No, I'm not a big fan of Japan. The country is OK (I know there are worse places to be, although this is as close to third-world as I have ever experienced first hand) and some of the locals are friendly enough, it's just that I HATE Japanese companies and the mindless automatons who work for them (numerous examples available upon request, more on that below). And the fact that the locals tolerate such a high level of incompetence because it's all they've ever known annoys me even more. I was really hoping that having access to the internet (ie, instant global communication) would enlighten the general public, but unfortunately most people think the 'internet' is the watered-down, spoon-fed portal crap that they get through their technically advanced, yet remarkably useless mobile phones. I use the word useless kind of loosely, of course, mainly due to the fact that despite all their advances, Japanese phones STILL lack real email clients, the ability to install any non-Japanese Java apps, or the ability to play non-DRM music with their built-in media players, etc ...

But hey, that's just my opinion. And this is hardly the place to get into it. But if you want to buy me a beer sometime, I'd be happy to discuss it further. ;)
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I respect that. Id be happy to hear more later, but I don't drink ;)
 
mavis said:
I have my reasons, but 1) they're hardly relevant to this thread and 2) they're really none of your business. :rolleyes:
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They're your business until you start to spout your bigoted rhetoric in a public forum. Then they're anybody that wants to respond's business.

Calling my rant xenophobic is rich considering where it is that we live, don't you think? That actually made me laugh out loud. Just for kicks, you ought to try googling the words xenophobic and Japan together, and see how many pages come up. ;)
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Xenophobia works both ways. Try looking up the word in a dictionary and not Google. ;)

xenophobia |ˌzēnəˈfōbēə; ˌzenə-|
noun
intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries : racism and xenophobia are steadily growing in Europe.

If your hatred is limited solely to the Japanese and not all "foreigners" then my apologies, you're just a bigot.
 
mavis said:
You know, it's really flattering that you're so interested in what I have to say, but your assumptions are incorrect and besides, this isn't the place for personal attacks. Thanks anyway, though. ;)
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If pointing out that someone who believes Japan to be the closest place to a third world country he's ever been, populated with incompetent, mindless automatons might be a tad on the prejudiced side amounts to a personal attack then guilty as charged. :eek:

I already told you I don't really give a rat's behind. I just happened to wonder aloud why you wouldn't leave if you hate it here so much. :p
 
SaSaSushi said:
If pointing out that someone who believes Japan to be the closest place to a third world country he's ever been, populated with incompetent, mindless automatons might be a tad on the prejudiced side amounts to a personal attack then guilty as charged. :eek:
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Great! And perhaps you'd also agree that this isn't the place for personal attacks. So, please do us ALL a favor, **** and move along ... :rolleyes:
armageddon said:
The iPhone has been announced for Japan. SoftBank will be the provider.

http://www.softbankmobile.co.jp/en/news/press/2008/20080604_01/
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This is the news I've been waiting more than a year for!! Finally, a REAL mobile in Japan!!!! :D I hope they'll start selling it at the same time as the rest of the world, and I hope the 32GB model doesn't cost more than $1,000 because that's all I'm prepared to spend. I'm curious to see what kind of data allowances they offer, it'll (hopefully) be the first reasonable data package I've ever seen over here ...
 
mavis said:
Great! And perhaps you'd also agree that this isn't the place for personal attacks. So, please do us ALL a favor, **** and move along ... :rolleyes:
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Is that the royal "us"?

By the way, it's against the forum rules to use inflammatory remarks like **** if you really want to get technical about it.

As for moving on I've as much right as you do to post here, but thanks for the moderation anyway. :p
 
mavis said:
I hope they'll start selling it at the same time as the rest of the world,
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I wouldn't hold your breath. The 3G iPhone will be released at WWDC 08 and the verbage in the Softbank press release "later this year" does not make one think "in 2 weeks time". :p

But I actually agree with your sentiment here. I'm hoping for sooner rather than later too.
 
mavis said:
I'm leaning towards 'don't hold your breath' on that one, but I'd love to be wrong!!
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My Softbank inside source says all she knows is "within the year" and no details yet. Breath-holding may indeed be ill-advised.

I'm rather glad I missed that whole flame-fest. Can we (and I do mean all of us, not the "royal we") please try to keep things if not totally 100% on-topic, then at least outside the realm of personal attacks?

PS While I think everybody likes to have a good gripe now and again, I love Japan, on the whole. Even the "automatons" who work for the megacompanies, although I do feel a bit sorry for them. And except for that punch-permed guy who hangs around the pachinko parlor near the station. I don't like him at all. Gives me the creeps.
 
BiginJapan said:
My Softbank inside source says all she knows is "within the year" and no details yet. Breath-holding may indeed be ill-advised.
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Did she happen to write that press release? It said the same thing. :p

I'm going to take a wild guess and say October release for the Japanese iPhone just so I can check back later and see how close I was. ;)
 
SaSaSushi said:
I'm going to take a wild guess and say October release for the Japanese iPhone just so I can check back later and see how close I was. ;)
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I don't know - EVERY carrier has said the exact same thing ('sometime this year') so it's pretty obvious that they're simply unable to commit to a date due to the fact that Apple hasn't even announced the damn thing yet. It may very well be October, but I imagine most of the world will have their iPhones this month.
 
mavis said:
It may very well be October, but I imagine most of the world will have their iPhones this month.
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I hope you're right (and I'm wrong :p). I might be heading back to the states this summer and it would be nice to take an iPhone.

From the articles I am reading on today's news it seems like most of the US coverage is only interested in this story as reassurance that a 3G iPhone is indeed forthcoming.
 
SaSaSushi said:
Did she happen to write that press release? It said the same thing. :p
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Har har... no, not that one, but in fact that's the kind of thing she does, albeit in Japanese. My point being that people plausibly in a position to know at Softbank don't even know when, yet. Either that or she's just very serious about nondisclosure: she only let me know just before the press release!

mavis said:
Well, be sure to post back if she offers up anything interesting ...
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But of course! That's the whole point of all this, isn't it? ;)
(However, further contraindications on breath-holding are in order; see above)

Anyway, may I just add a sincere "Yeeeeehaaa!" for Softbank clinching it. I really didn't want to have to switch to DoCoMo.
 
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