There will be no "slightly larger than an iPhone tablet" - anyone else remember how Jobs killed the Newton? He's hardly going to get back into the PDA business now, when most PDAs are dying out to be replaced by smartphones. I also highly doubt they'll bring out a larger tablet Mac/touch device - there's not the mass-market consumer demand for it at the moment, as can be seen from the dismal sales of PC tablets outside of niche markets like some medical applications.
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3G iPhone in May, Another Device at WWDC?
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1.5x the size of the iPhone?
Does anyone else think that a product 1.5x the size of the iPhone is just about the most inconvenient size? It would be too big to put in your pocket, but then it would be too small to do anything useful on, that the iPhone can't already do. If they are going to make a tablet, I think the 8.5" x 11" would be about the perfect size.
Does anyone else think that a product 1.5x the size of the iPhone is just about the most inconvenient size? It would be too big to put in your pocket, but then it would be too small to do anything useful on, that the iPhone can't already do. If they are going to make a tablet, I think the 8.5" x 11" would be about the perfect size.
Yes but last I checked AT&T is selling a bit more than the iPhone.
Of course I am excited about the release of the second coming of the iPhone but nothing says this has anything to do with Apple.
If it have we all win, don't get me wrong.
The AT&T vacation black list of days most likely has little to do with a 3G iphone. Can it even be used in the USA? It could be for the launch of a new product, but I tend to doubt it. The American launch for the iphone is over folks. And remember that business model of tying the iphone to one company is fastly becoming a fossil.
The 3G is all about other places like Italy and Japan. According to the roadmap, June '08 is the launch for Japan, and I'm hoping Apple sticks to its plan. No way an Edge phone will sell there. The rest of the world has networks in place that are just waiting for a better iphone. Americans will feel the pain of inferior networks when people in other countries are happily toting 3G iphones. Bring'em on!
iphones won't be tied to AT&T forever.
The 3G is all about other places like Italy and Japan. According to the roadmap, June '08 is the launch for Japan, and I'm hoping Apple sticks to its plan. No way an Edge phone will sell there. The rest of the world has networks in place that are just waiting for a better iphone. Americans will feel the pain of inferior networks when people in other countries are happily toting 3G iphones. Bring'em on!
iphones won't be tied to AT&T forever.
I have no desire whatsoever for a tablet, or a MacBook Air for that matter. A tablet has - at least at this point - a pretty specific user base. I think there is room for both in the lineup.
I think im gonna kill this rumor with a few simple facts.
2.0 beta firmware has been discovered to have software to support 3G chips. 2.0 firmware has been confirmed to come out in JUNE.
a 3G iPhone would NOT work with 1.1.4 firmware, because it doesnt support 3G chips. SO... a 3G iPhone cannot come before 2.0 firmware is released.
You can agree or disagree btu im confident IM right
2.0 beta firmware has been discovered to have software to support 3G chips. 2.0 firmware has been confirmed to come out in JUNE.
a 3G iPhone would NOT work with 1.1.4 firmware, because it doesnt support 3G chips. SO... a 3G iPhone cannot come before 2.0 firmware is released.
You can agree or disagree btu im confident IM right
Of course, if they simply stop selling iPhones, as they have done, there can be no drop in sales stemming from an early announcement.
My guess is either next week or May 18th.
Oh god....yeah...i totally forgot about that, but i still think this rumour could be true. Apple have been known to move things ahead, if they brought 2.0's release nearer by 2 weeks it would be a plus.
My guess is either next week or May 18th.
Oh god....yeah...i totally forgot about that, but i still think this rumour could be true. Apple have been known to move things ahead, if they brought 2.0's release nearer by 2 weeks it would be a plus.
That isn't a fact at all. The 3G iPhone could certainly be rolled out before the 2.0 software.
Apple products can drive demand. I had no idea I wanted an MP3 player until the iPod was released.
After reading every post I'm still convinced that the 3g iphone won't be released until June.
Some speculation for you folks who can't seem to get enough... Maybe a release of a smaller more streamlined iphone with the same or similar feature set (iphone nano or whatever) in May followed by the 3g iphone in June. Something like what (God forbid I use this next word on MacRumors) Sony does with the smaller PS before the release of the next console. Purely wild speculation but that has never seemed to stop anyone from posting on here before.
Some speculation for you folks who can't seem to get enough... Maybe a release of a smaller more streamlined iphone with the same or similar feature set (iphone nano or whatever) in May followed by the 3g iphone in June. Something like what (God forbid I use this next word on MacRumors) Sony does with the smaller PS before the release of the next console. Purely wild speculation but that has never seemed to stop anyone from posting on here before.
did u get the iphone one second ago. that has always been the case. it either shows the wifi symbol or the edge symbol (E)
2.0 firmware UPDATE is confirmed to come out in June. But there's nothing stopping them from releasing a new model with it before that. Or they could just add the code to a special 1.1.4a custom release for 3G models.
Either way, there's nothing stopping Apple from releasing a new model whenever they want. With the original model completely out of stock, I have to think it will be VERY soon, no way would they have no phones to sell for over a month.
I think that this just makes it even more possible for the new MacBooks and MacBook pros to cone out at WWDC. Those would seem like more of a logical product to introduce at the developer's conference. But this rumor opens up an interesting possibility- multi-touch on the MacBook Pros. Maybe even a multi-touch trackpad that spans the width of the notebook. Weren't there some rumora a whileback regarding the possibility of these trackpads? That would make the MBP even cooler. Personally, I can't wait for the MBPs to get a redesign. That will be so awesome. And the super-trackpad idea would just make it cooler.
As someone else pointed out (sorry forgotten where I read it) if they made it possible to pre-order a 3g iPhone to be delivered on or around WWDC then this would soften the lost revenue between now and WWDC.
Just an opinion.
Neil.
Just think instead of pulling it out of an envelope like he did with the air, steve could have it come out of a fake fax machine or wrapper for 100 pieces of 8.5 by 11 printer paper.
The possibilities are endless!
I really don't think that something that modular is really very Apple-like. Apple tends to deliver units that are very "all-in-one;" they are very self-contained and give you the ability to do everything out of the box. I doubt that Apple would sell a device this of this caliber as an add-on.
Steve won't have to announce anything like that during Q2 earnings, as iPhone revenue is on the same spread-out subscription accounting format the AppleTV uses. One month of shortage will be smoothed over pretty nicely by a sales surge following the 3G release. Your second point seems to imply that there would have been a lack of revenue even if the iPhone stayed on the shelves, as people are waiting for the new release.
That said, I have no idea when it'll be announced. People hung up on the AT&T blockout dates need to keep in mind two possibilities:
1. AT&T could have been working off old information, with the release pushed up more recently due to lack of stock.
2. What if Apple's going to sell the iPhone themselves, possibly unlocked, and then a month later AT&T starts selling it through their stores, locked and subsidized. Regarding their exclusivity contract: do Apple stores qualify as competition? As long as there isn't another version specific to another carrier, isn't it still exclusive? Also, I wouldn't put it past Steve to have sold AT&T on 5 years exclusivity for the "iPhone", but then neglect to mention or promise anything about the "iPhone 2". The new version may not be exclusive at all.
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Let's not all forget that, due to FCC filing deadlines, Apple had to announce the iPhone way ahead of its release last year. As I understand, FCC filings for product updates demand less time and can also be cloaked to a point. So, my guess (and that's all it is) is:
Apple announces the new iPhone as early as this week, and starts taking pre-orders. That should partially take care of revenue during this time of no supply of the current model (some people just aren't up for pre-ordering something they can't put their hands on, myself included). Shipments would start in June, post software 2.0 release and in time to justify the AT&T vacation ban, since it would not be available in AT&T stores until then.
Would that rob Apple of a stage on WWDC? Somehow. We may be getting to the point where an FCC leak might be likely to spoil any sort of announcement by Apple, so they'd take a surprise online announcement of the upcoming iPhone (pre-order now), and use WWDC to put the hype into overload with the new software demo, new applications and immediate availability, besides giving the specialized media time to review the product and build even more hype ahead of its release.
As for how a new product would fit into this, I think that's a different issue altogether. None of this discussion precludes Apple from announcing a new product in the old "one last thing" tradition of surprising us, which, as we all know, the new iPhone wouldn't fulfill, since we all expect it.
And as for the shareholders argument, I agree it would be troubling to go an entire month to a month-and-a-half without revenue from one of your main product lines. But overproducing a product you're about to EOL and end up with tens of thousands of expensive products in stock you can't get rid of is equally troubling for shareholders. In trying to strike that perfect balance, they might have miscalculated. Because I believe Apple is smarter than that, I give credence to the rumor that at least an announcement might come before WWDC.
To be safe, even thought I've been waiting for 3G since the iPhone was announced, let alone released, and sitting on enough Apple Store gift cards to get one for about 6 months, whatever they announce earlier than June won't be getting my order until I see what's out of WWDC. If I've waited this long...
Let's not all forget that, due to FCC filing deadlines, Apple had to announce the iPhone way ahead of its release last year. As I understand, FCC filings for product updates demand less time and can also be cloaked to a point. So, my guess (and that's all it is) is:
Apple announces the new iPhone as early as this week, and starts taking pre-orders. That should partially take care of revenue during this time of no supply of the current model (some people just aren't up for pre-ordering something they can't put their hands on, myself included). Shipments would start in June, post software 2.0 release and in time to justify the AT&T vacation ban, since it would not be available in AT&T stores until then.
Would that rob Apple of a stage on WWDC? Somehow. We may be getting to the point where an FCC leak might be likely to spoil any sort of announcement by Apple, so they'd take a surprise online announcement of the upcoming iPhone (pre-order now), and use WWDC to put the hype into overload with the new software demo, new applications and immediate availability, besides giving the specialized media time to review the product and build even more hype ahead of its release.
As for how a new product would fit into this, I think that's a different issue altogether. None of this discussion precludes Apple from announcing a new product in the old "one last thing" tradition of surprising us, which, as we all know, the new iPhone wouldn't fulfill, since we all expect it.
And as for the shareholders argument, I agree it would be troubling to go an entire month to a month-and-a-half without revenue from one of your main product lines. But overproducing a product you're about to EOL and end up with tens of thousands of expensive products in stock you can't get rid of is equally troubling for shareholders. In trying to strike that perfect balance, they might have miscalculated. Because I believe Apple is smarter than that, I give credence to the rumor that at least an announcement might come before WWDC.
To be safe, even thought I've been waiting for 3G since the iPhone was announced, let alone released, and sitting on enough Apple Store gift cards to get one for about 6 months, whatever they announce earlier than June won't be getting my order until I see what's out of WWDC. If I've waited this long...
