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For everyone who believes the US is so far behind in technology, guess that doesn't include Cupertino, Ca.?? For all the naysayers, put your belief in action and do not purchase the iPhone! Get some French phone. As far as Pal vs NTSC. Who cares? There is virtually no HD in Europe and that is the future not analog.
 
It seems, from an outsider's perspective, that the US wireless market is in need of a bit more regulation? The very fact that you have to pay to receive calls on your cellphones is utter lunacy. This and the fact you generally lag behind on the technology as discussed in this thread all smacks of big corporations taking advantage of its customers - operating as a cartel basically through the overcharging and by not upgrading technology.

Technically, the current iPhone is 3G, because EDGE is considered to be a 3G network technology. :)

EDGE has never been considered a 3G technology! I've heard it being called 2.5G, and sometimes even 2.75G, but both of these are just terms dreamt up by marketing people who have been given the task of making what should be obsolete technology sound better and faster.

Also, the 3G technology found in many current phones isn't that much faster than EDGE. Those phones are limited to 384Kbps. However, more recent 3G phones employ a 3G technology called HSDPA. That can go up to and beyond 14.4 Mbps, but current network implementations are 1.8Mbps and 3.6Mbps.

In the UK (and I think most of Europe), HSDPA phones are the norm now. If we are holding EDGE up to scrutiny, we have to compare it directly to HSDPA (both of which are extensions/add-ons to the original 2G/3G capabilities).

We're basically comparing the equivalent of broadband and dial-up here - the speed improvements are similar. I know which I'd much rather have!

It is a real shame about the iPhone in Europe not having 3G - we really do have good 3G coverage here. 80% of the land mass of the UK is covered by at least one operator with 3G coverage. I can imagine that's probably close to 95% of the population with 3G coverage from one operator or another at home and at work.
 
We can't blame just the carriers for lack of coverage, we have to blame ourselves too. How many people here want a cell tower in their backyards? Cell towers have to be placed somewhere to get the most coverage for an area, and have to fight the little villages/towns who don't want towers in their yard but are the same ones complaining about their cell phones not having a good signal. Just my .02
 
Wrong!

We can't blame just the carriers for lack of coverage, we have to blame ourselves too. How many people here want a cell tower in their backyards? Cell towers have to be placed somewhere to get the most coverage for an area, and have to fight the little villages/towns who don't want towers in their yard but are the same ones complaining about their cell phones not having a good signal. Just my .02

Its not the "little towns" that are complaining about service. For GODS SAKES, HAVE YOU SEEN AN AT&T 3G MAP???? Its 80% OF THE COUNTRY THATS COMPLAINING! It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with the placement of cell towers. If that were the case, then EVERY *** city and suburb which have more than enough tower sites would all be running 3G HSUPA/HSDPA by now. And that is NOT THE CASE. Look at Verizon, they have good 3G EVDO coverage in very populated areas where they can make the most profit, and then smaller areas that are affluent are also covered well. Its obvious they cherry pick the areas where they are going to make the most money and leave out everybody else. (And im not talking about population 5,000 farm towns in the middle of nowhere).

The problem is the TOTAL ABDICATION OF FCC TELECOMMUNICATIONS REGULATION. This in turn is caused by the RISE of EVIL, GREEDY, BOUGHT AND PAID FOR REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS SINCE 1994. YOU GET WHAT YOU VOTE FOR!!!
Its the GOP Support Triangle of Stupid ** NRA rednecks, bible banging evangelicals, and the no-ethics money-lust corporate culture. The TRIFECTA!
 
Its not the "little towns" that are complaining about service. For GODS SAKES, HAVE YOU SEEN AN AT&T 3G MAP???? Its 80% OF THE COUNTRY THATS COMPLAINING! It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with the placement of cell towers. If that were the case, then EVERY *** city and suburb which have more than enough tower sites would all be running 3G HSUPA/HSDPA by now. And that is NOT THE CASE. Look at Verizon, they have good 3G EVDO coverage in very populated areas where they can make the most profit, and then smaller areas that are affluent are also covered well. Its obvious they cherry pick the areas where they are going to make the most money and leave out everybody else. (And im not talking about population 5,000 farm towns in the middle of nowhere).

The problem is the TOTAL ABDICATION OF FCC TELECOMMUNICATIONS REGULATION. This in turn is caused by the RISE of EVIL, GREEDY, BOUGHT AND PAID FOR REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS SINCE 1994. YOU GET WHAT YOU VOTE FOR!!!
Its the GOP Support Triangle of Stupid ** NRA rednecks, bible banging evangelicals, and the no-ethics money-lust corporate culture. The TRIFECTA!

YEAH!! MERICA! REDNECKS YEAH!
 
For everyone who believes the US is so far behind in technology, guess that doesn't include Cupertino, Ca.?? For all the naysayers, put your belief in action and do not purchase the iPhone! Get some French phone. As far as Pal vs NTSC. Who cares? There is virtually no HD in Europe and that is the future not analog.

There's no HD in Europe? I don't know if you mean excluding the UK, but Sky HD does work fabulously (sport, film, news, documentaries) in HD! :)

Yes blame it on the republicans, I'm slightly scared now! :rolleyes:
 
Virtually none, compared with the US where we are almost fully transitioned to HD. That was for a poster who said he loves PAL vs NTSC. By the way,
the Republicans scare me too. And I'm sure you would agree that the UK is not in Europe!
 
Virtually none, compared with the US where we are almost fully transitioned to HD. That was for a poster who said he loves PAL vs NTSC. By the way,
the Republicans scare me too. And I'm sure you would agree that the UK is not in Europe!

I'm not a big supporter of any nation but I have to tell you that at least Germany has also almost fully transitioned to HD (Don't know about other countries in Europe so far). Most TV stations on satellite and terrestrial are broadcasting in HD.
 


Though obvious, several sites are reporting on comments by Steve Jobs that a 3G iPhone is coming from Apple. PocketLint specifically claims that Jobs said "You can expect a 3G iPhone later next year", however, Engadget's reporting was a bit less definitive:


Meanwhile, The Street claims that a 3G iPhone will be available sometime in the 1st quarter of 2008... but their historical accuracy has been quite poor.

Regardless, the fact that Apple is working on a 3G iPhone is not particularly newsworthy. Steve Jobs stated during the iPhone's Macworld San Francisco 2007 keynote that they are planning on making "3g phones and all sorts of other amazing things in the future" (video clip .mov 1.7mb)

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edge is fast enough for me. Wouldnt get new iphone just because it has 3g. gps would be nice but it doesnt have to be built-in. May be they should sell it separate device specially for iphone. i would get one for sure. Great phone, love it.
 
edge is fast enough for me. Wouldnt get new iphone just because it has 3g. gps would be nice but it doesnt have to be built-in. May be they should sell it separate device specially for iphone. i would get one for sure. Great phone, love it.

are you sure he actually said there would be a 3G iPhone?

from reading the transcript (from the UK announcement of the iPhone) he said "thats something we'll see in the future" i.e: a 3G chipset that isnt a huge battery drain. not necessarily meaning a 3G iPhone
 
The iphone is great and everyone I know wants one -- when it has 3G. Certainly from my perception in the UK it is important to have 3G and new phones at that price point almost always have it built in.

I suppose Britain is a bit smaller than the US (just a bit) and the higher density of the population makes it more economically viable to put in a good 3G system. I work in East Devon (full of little villages, towns by the sea on the South Coast) and very often 3G coverage beats 2.5G.

3G is a big deal!
 
I can just see it now.

People are asking for 3g now but complain about battery life later, Complain about monthly voice/data plan charges, Complain about all the problems 3g networks bring.

We can have a gps,video/still camera,80gb,mobile applications of ilife 08,iwork etc. Anything you can think off
and want and people will still complain.

"THE MOBILE APPLICATIONS OF ILIFE & IWORK SUCK"
"3g networks suck my coverage is bad""
"The video cameras quality sucks"
"By apple adding the video feature they dumbed down the camera which now SUCKS"
"80GB? i CANT EVEN HOLD MY 200GB LIBRARY ON IT, THE GEN2 IPHONE SUCKS"
"GPS IS LAGGY AND NOT VERY RESPONSIVE IT SUCKS"

please the iphone is the best **** out there right now.

3g is not a big deal....people are complaining about data charges now
image then
 
I can just see it now.

People are asking for 3g now but complain about battery life later, Complain about monthly voice/data plan charges, Complain about all the problems 3g networks bring.

We can have a gps,video/still camera,80gb,mobile applications of ilife 08,iwork etc. Anything you can think off
and want and people will still complain.

"THE MOBILE APPLICATIONS OF ILIFE & IWORK SUCK"
"3g networks suck my coverage is bad""
"The video cameras quality sucks"
"By apple adding the video feature they dumbed down the camera which now SUCKS"
"80GB? i CANT EVEN HOLD MY 200GB LIBRARY ON IT, THE GEN2 IPHONE SUCKS"
"GPS IS LAGGY AND NOT VERY RESPONSIVE IT SUCKS"

please the iphone is the best **** out there right now.

3g is not a big deal....people are complaining about data charges now
image then

Um 3G costs the same as EDGE. The data plans for a 3G iPhone would be the exact same price as the current iPhone.
 
Um 3G costs the same as EDGE. The data plans for a 3G iPhone would be the exact same price as the current iPhone.
I am pretty sure the previous poster meant data charges while roaming outside US.
 
Not convincing

In the following video, Steve Jobs says 3G needs to get back up to 5+ hours of talk time, something he thinks we'll see late next year.

Why does Jobs talk about "talktime"? Why would I use UMTS for talktime when I can just use the GSM network (which typically has better coverage)?

I wish one of the reporters had asked how much data you can download on edge and UMTS (say with a 3.6 Mbps system) on a single battery charge. That would have been interesting to know (not how many minutes of "talking" I can do) and would definitely not have shown edge as being the better solution...
 
The problem is the TOTAL ABDICATION OF FCC TELECOMMUNICATIONS REGULATION. This in turn is caused by the RISE of EVIL, GREEDY, BOUGHT AND PAID FOR REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS SINCE 1994. YOU GET WHAT YOU VOTE FOR!!!
Its the GOP Support Triangle of Stupid ** NRA rednecks, bible banging evangelicals, and the no-ethics money-lust corporate culture. The TRIFECTA!

This guy is hilarious. I vote Republican (it's all b/c of the taxes) and I love how some Democrats get so worked up into a frenzy when talking about politics and how the US is one big conspiracy. My wife's father is like that and nothing makes me laugh harder than when he goes into one of his tirades. This guy may even have my father-in-law beat.

Don't worry, this country will never vote for Hillary so I hope you enjoy the idea of at least four more years of red.
 
This has gone way off-topic now but....

Please don't take this the wrong way - I absolutely love America in so many ways. However, I do find it funny how most Americans seem to have a knack of always turning things into a Democrats vs. Republicans argument. It's very strange how you must pigeon hole people into one or the other. Surely the best thing is to just work out what's the best for your country and its people on any given subject?

A government which allows telecommunications giants to drag their heels in rolling out new technology - which tacitly approves of these huge companies taking advantage of their customers by making them use now-defunct technology which is five years out of date (and dare I say it, verging on "third world") - is not in the best interest of Americans. It definitely sounds to me like regulation is in order!
 
lol, US is the most backwards country in the western world. Take a look outside US. Europe and eastern asia has had 3G for about 5 years, some parts of asia is testing with 4G.

3G phone migth not be so important in the US but many people will not accept a internet speed reduction by 90% if they buy a new smartphone.

lol, your postulate is naive, immature, and uninformed.

While, yes, it gets frustrating being in the US as a gadget freak, we don't get the latest gadgets for a few reasons:

(1) The US is a very large country. Japan can afford to rewire the entire country every 18 months for a new standard because it is the size of California. In the US it's a problem -- people are concentrated on the coasts near big cities and that's where new services typically start, but to build a complete network you have to get 80% of the country covered. That's very expensive and time consuming.

(2) In Europe, how was traditional wired phone service? Pretty poor, from what I understand. My wife has family in Poland that only now gets a wired phone into their house. The US has been well wired for over 100 years, so there is large market inertia in ISDN, DSL, IP phone, cell, etc. So ironically, being in a poorer country that didn't have good infrastructure to begin with is better because when you do get telecomm infrastructure it's easier to throw up some cell towers.

(3) Competing networks -- I'm going out on a limb here, but do the European/Asian markets have competing carriers and networks, or do they all share the same network infrastructure? Over here we have at least two competing networks and infrastructures -- AT&T/T-Mobile (GSM) and Sprint/Verizon (CDMA).

(4) Culture -- Japan readily throws out good technology for better technology. Outside of the early adopters, people in the US are less likely to do that.

I wish I had 3G in the iPhone, but most of the time I use it I'm in Wi-Fi coverage anyway (just wish it had SIPS/Voice-IP, but regardless, WiFi is faster than 3G as Steve Jobs says) and really 2.5G isn't that bad for me. A little slow but tolerable.
 
As far as Pal vs NTSC. Who cares? There is virtually no HD in Europe and that is the future not analog.

This is really old news, but since we're fighting about 60 year old obsolete TV standards...

PAL does offer slightly higher resolution (720x576 vs 720x480). BUT...

- Lower refresh rates (more flickering) - 50 Hz vs 60 Hz
- Film transfers to PAL are sped up by 1/24th -- so the runtime is shorter than it should be and the audio pitch is higher.
 
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