3G iPhone In the Works

(2) In Europe, how was traditional wired phone service? Pretty poor, from what I understand. ...
(3) Competing networks -- I'm going out on a limb here, but do the European/Asian markets have competing carriers and networks, or do they all share the same network infrastructure?

Ad. 2 - depends on where you are in Europe. Countries like The Netherlands, UK, Germany, Scandinavian have had very good networks for nearly 100 years too. Just the old communistic countries and some more poorer countries like Spain, Portugal and Greece where lacking behind...

Ad. 3. Most have fiercely competing vendors not sharing networks. In general since the EU broke the monopolies, things have improved dramatically; more choice, lower price, advances in technology, strong regulators... This all helps a lot to move things forward. Still not the same technology acceptance as for example Asia or more specific Japan. So, in general not bad here for mobile technology :)
 
Yep, why buy a Macbook Pro when you can buy a Dell for less than half the price... it even comes with Vista standard! Something a Macbook Pro lacks...:rolleyes:

If you are going to wait for a 3g iphone... might as well wait for the 4g version.
It never ends.:apple:

Hey first post here. I am thinking of getting an iPhone in the next few months. Should I be holding my breath for a 3G phone or not? I totally understand the problem of having stuff get outdated really fast. What is the benefit of having a 3G phone tho? I keep hearing different things from people on this thread. It seems the network is pretty bad for 3G here in the States. Would I really want to wait for G3 considering that I don't even know what it will do for me?
 
We can't blame just the carriers for lack of coverage, we have to blame ourselves too. How many people here want a cell tower in their backyards? Cell towers have to be placed somewhere to get the most coverage for an area, and have to fight the little villages/towns who don't want towers in their yard but are the same ones complaining about their cell phones not having a good signal. Just my .02

Cell towers are just about the strangest thing ever, on every level. Surely there has to be a better way of doing this.

No, I don't want a refinery, nuc plant, cell tower, transmission line, freeway, tallow plant, pit bull farm, motocross track, hazardous waste dump, Hells Angel's bar, ICBM silos, sewage treatment plant, oil well, coal mine or any weird people near me. I know all these things are considered to be wonderful by some, but not by me or near me, either.

Sorry for not being aboard on the good ship SS Old Technology.
 
The US may be backwards in some respects but not in this one. One of the reasons the US takes longer to implement technology is because the country is a lot larger than any European nation. I'm not trying to defend the US carriers because they do suck but I'm constantly annoyed by others outside the US talking out of their behinds.

the us is ahead in many respects but its backwards in the cell phone market. europe as a whole is as large as the US. despite being 16 nations (plus nations around the EU) the managed to have a common standard and a modern technology that works in all 16 nations. i can use my cell phone even in egypt for a reasonable price.

the US is still fragmented in several technologies. and they are not even state of the art. and the US is one nation.

and i'm inside the US.;)

The United States is also a Lot Bigger Then Most countries With China, Russia and Canada being the only countries larger in size. And being the 172nt listed in the density of the population. Comparing with Europe and other countries for policy and infrascture is actually quite silly. The United States while haveing a majority Europian hareteage and culture. Is actually very differnt in the fact of its size and density. In say Germnany you can set up a full country wide wireless network that will service 99% of its citizans is much easier then making a wireless network in the United States that can service the same number of people. The country of Germany is a 1/3rd bigger then Texas and has 4 times the population of texas. And Texas is the #2 in most populas state. It is actually a much diifferent scale we have here.

Area doesn't matter. Population density does. European Union has a population density of 122 people per square km. USA has one of 31. Everyone see the distinct contrast. Clearly the EU has a much greater advantage when setting up phone networks because networks are usually not limited as much by load as by range. Thus the USA has a much bigger problem with there much lower population density.

On similar accords, Canada has such a problem because it has a population density of 3, but thats not quite accurate since no one lives 200km above the border (I mean honestly...) A more accurate population density often cited for that strip of land is 15 people per square kilometre, still a much lower number than the US. Hence the often even slower adaption of technologies.
 
Hey first post here. I am thinking of getting an iPhone in the next few months. Should I be holding my breath for a 3G phone or not? I totally understand the problem of having stuff get outdated really fast. What is the benefit of having a 3G phone tho? I keep hearing different things from people on this thread. It seems the network is pretty bad for 3G here in the States. Would I really want to wait for G3 considering that I don't even know what it will do for me?

A lot of people are in this position right now. Here's the deal as far as I know (anyone can feel free to interject):

3G is only a factor for using "on-line" feature of the iPhone or other devices. Basically, it's what your internet browser will run on when WiFi is not available. 3G is much faster than the currently-used EDGE platform. The current iPhone will certianly continue to work in the US for a number of years to come, but does not and will not work in many other countries.

As to whether or not 3G a big deal to you, there are several factors to consider:
1) How soon do you need your iPhone? If you can wait until June-August or so when the new one comes out, do so. A second generation device is always better than a brand new product line, regardless of the EDGE vs. 3G debate.

2) How much do you expect to use internet features when you're not in wifi range? For many, the amount of time spent outside wifi range is very small, so the whole 3G issue is really no big deal. For many, much of their time is spent using the cellular online functions, so the speed difference between EDGE and 3G is a major consideration.

3) Short vs. long term needs. Are you the type of person who buys a new phone every 2 years or less? If so, then it might not matter too much, since the next iPhone you buy will be 3G (or whatever is better by then). If you expect this iPhone to be your device of choice for 4 years, then you may want to wait until June. If you need a new phone NOW and can't wait, pick up an iPhone tomorrow. I doubt you'll be kicking yourself too hard in a few month's time.

4) Is 3G even available in your area? Check the AT&T website for this. For example, where I live right now 3G is not even available, it's EDGE only. So even with a new 3G iPhone I'd be stuck on the slower network until we get upgraded on my area. So this get's back to the long vs short term issue. Even if your current area is EDGE only, if you expect it to become 3G by the end of the year, is it worth it to you to wait for a 3G phone?

5) Are you planing on traveling internationally? The current iteration of the iPhone does NOT work in Europe or Japan, just to name a few places. It is believed that the 3G version will be able to do so.

For me personally, #5 is the clincher. I will be moving to either Europe or Japan in 15 months (US Air Force) and want to be able to still use my phone wherever I move too. Even if I don't join a network over there, I want to at least be able to use Skype for my calling, so I'll need 3G network capabilities.

It should be noted that :apple: will continue updating the software of the current "first" iPhones even after later models come out. MOST 3rd party applications will therefore work on the first iPhone, even in a year or two. So software-wise, there is no reason to wait for the iPhone2.

iPhone2 will have 3G, and will of course have twice the memory of the current iPhones (a big deal to me). Others expect many and various other improvements, but no one knows for sure. Better camera? Built-in iSight? Longer battery life? Better GPS? Other amazing things that we didn't know we even needed before, but soon will not be able to live without? You never know with :apple:, but it's always fun to watch and see what happens.

I plan on buying the new iPhone as soon as it comes out.
 
I plan on buying the new iPhone as soon as it comes out.

Me too, and I bought my current iPhone in December with that mentality. I use the cell-network often enough that 3G will be a welcome add.

As a side note, I believe that 3G phones don't have the noisy speaker interference that the current iPhone suffers from. I had a 3G Samsung phone for a few months and never heard that noise unless it was switching over to EDGE, so it's a small bonus, but something nice if you ask me. I like plugging my phone into some external speakers and I hate hearing that cell-sound popping my speakers.
 
GeeWhiz! When the sodding iPhone 3G finally arrives I think we'll be on 4G! And Apple will forever be playing catchup! Currently, various new handset that's are entering the market place already has 3.5G compatibility.... and that's current, like NOW! TODAY!! (march 2008) not March 2009!

And they're saying it'll be sometime NEXT YEAR!
Gwad, I give up! I'll stick to my plastic phone...
 
Here's the deal as far as I know (anyone can feel free to interject):

5) Are you planing on traveling internationally? The current iteration of the iPhone does NOT work in Europe or Japan, just to name a few places. It is believed that the 3G version will be able to do so.

Allow me to correct that: The current iPhone *does* work in Europe. 3G is widely available in Europe, but many phones in daily use do not support 3G (including the iPhone, which is officially available in the UK, France, Germany etc).

For Japan, the statement is true: 3G *is* required and the current iPhone won't work.
 
If in japan 3g is the minimum required i wonder what sort of broadband they have or internet connection. it must be blazing:)
 
It should be noted that :apple: will continue updating the software of the current "first" iPhones even after later models come out. MOST 3rd party applications will therefore work on the first iPhone, even in a year or two. So software-wise, there is no reason to wait for the iPhone2.

Yeah...Apple isn't exactly known for their enthusiastic support of previous generation devices. They do not offer upgrades for any previous iPod other than a new iPod.

My guess is that there will be features - software features - available on the iPhone 2 that will not be available or even offered on the original iPhone.

I really do think the longer you can wait for an iPhone, the better off you'll be.
 
The way I look at this whole debate, is with caution. Honestly, if they do release a new 3G iPhone then the old iPhone would've only been out for a little over a year. If Apple really did that, I would feel alienated and I'm sure most other customers will too.

The thing about the current iPhone is it's on EDGE which is 2.7G. For everyone saying it's "much faster" it's not. I can't seem to see Apple's justification for this a year after the first one comes out.


Apple prides itself for looking out for its customers, and this is not the way to take care of them, after having them spend $400+ on a phone and have it be somewhat outdated a year later. For me it's common sense, what do you guys think?
 
If in japan 3g is the minimum required i wonder what sort of broadband they have or internet connection. it must be blazing:)

Depends on what people have installed. Personally I'm on Optical Fibre, capable of 120MB/s (Megabytes per second) however real world tests are slightly lower, see links below for speeds tests.

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/5086951/

Suitable Mobiles/Keitai or Cellphones with full HSDPA complience can have a downstream upto 11Mbps, though the current network is capable of 14Mbps.
 
I live in an area with little to no 3G coverage, and i know AT&T is gonna do a huge rollout of towers and more coverage, but i dont think they can make it happen that fast. I only live about 11 miles from New York City, and have no 3G...it's only major city ready right now.
 
I live in an area with little to no 3G coverage, and i know AT&T is gonna do a huge rollout of towers and more coverage, but i dont think they can make it happen that fast. I only live about 11 miles from New York City, and have no 3G...it's only major city ready right now.

On a new 3G iPhone you'd still have EDGE though. When full 3G comes you'll then be ready.

3G coverage in the UK on O2 isn't too good either. Especially HSDPA, as that's the standard you really want the device to be at.
 
perhps the canadian market as well

Not sure if Canada has enough billionaires for Apple to be interested... Because that's what you have to be in order to be able to use the data transfer services...

Checked my mail a few weeks ago 12mins = $200. And no, I'm not joking
 
Not sure if Canada has enough billionaires for Apple to be interested... Because that's what you have to be in order to be able to use the data transfer services...

Checked my mail a few weeks ago 12mins = $200. And no, I'm not joking


What kind of data plans do you get around the world everyone?
Here in Finland the best I've found:

1. unlimited data + 1000 sms per month; calls 8,9 cents per minute (euro cents):
9,95 euro / month for max. 384 kbps 3G/EDGE or 15,95 euro / month for max. 2 Mbps

2. unlimited data; sms and calls 6,9 cents per msg/minute:
from 9,80 euro (384 kbps) to 29,80 euro (2 Mbps) / month

Of course if you don't get a data plan of any kind you pay like 1,50 euro / MB.
 
Apple prides itself for looking out for its customers, and this is not the way to take care of them, after having them spend $400+ on a phone and have it be somewhat outdated a year later. For me it's common sense, what do you guys think?

As opposed to other phones that somehow aren't somewhat outdated within a year? Or computers? Or iPods?

Does Apple offer anyone with an iPod some sort of discount for future models? Or do people with older Macs with a PowerPC processor get some sort of free or discounted upgrade to an Intel machine?

I hate to be a cynic, but chances are that when Apple releases the brand new iPhone, they won't be providing any sort of upgrade path or firmware update for current iPhone users - other than the option to purchase a new iPhone (and probably extend your contract with AT&T).

I don't see this as any different from any other wireless phone maker. And frankly, I don't see it being any different than Apples upgrades in the past.
 
As opposed to other phones that somehow aren't somewhat outdated within a year? Or computers? Or iPods?

Does Apple offer anyone with an iPod some sort of discount for future models? Or do people with older Macs with a PowerPC processor get some sort of free or discounted upgrade to an Intel machine?

I hate to be a cynic, but chances are that when Apple releases the brand new iPhone, they won't be providing any sort of upgrade path or firmware update for current iPhone users - other than the option to purchase a new iPhone (and probably extend your contract with AT&T).

I don't see this as any different from any other wireless phone maker. And frankly, I don't see it being any different than Apples upgrades in the past.

well..technology is like that.. what u buy today maybe obselete tomorrow.. if u r rich u could always keep buyin wats new els.. u culd hold on to wat u hav as long as it doesnt hamper ur productivity..:apple:
 
Apple prides itself for looking out for its customers, and this is not the way to take care of them, after having them spend $400+ on a phone and have it be somewhat outdated a year later. For me it's common sense, what do you guys think?

Another way to look at "taking care of your customers" is that you get them the latest technology as quickly as possible. Holding back on this would NOT be common sense - it would be catering to early adapters, which is a bad idea.

I was DYING to get an iPhone, but 8GB & slow net access were red flags to me - not to mention the 18 months left on my 24 month Verizon contract when they first started selling iPhones. I really wanted at least 16GB(preferably 32GB), and fast browsing/streaming, and wasn't about to take the ~$2500 plunge without those things. Not to mention that 1st gen devices always have their bugs.

I think there are a LOT of people out there like me who are holding off & the 2nd gen iPhone couldn't come soon enough. Who would Apple be serving by not getting this to us ASAP? How are they wronging you? Did they lie about the product they sold you?

I have no sympathy for early adopters complaining about the price/function of their devices. Things ALWAYS cost more and are a little buggy early on, but you get to USE THEM longer than other people. This is known, and if you demand the instant gratification, you know the risks. And I am typing this on a MacBook Air, so I am not judging or criticizing. I'm sure that in the next year the prices for the SSD(maybe even a 128GB) will come down enough that I would rather have that than my 80GB HD model, or they'll get a much better(maybe even easily swappable) battery, or the price will go from $1800 to $1500. But so what? I have it NOW, and I love it. If I have to skip a generation or two because I can't afford to buy a new one every time there is an improvement, then when I finally DO buy a new one it will be MUCH better than the one I have because Apple strove to constantly improve(2TB Flash drive, 1 lb & half the thickness with 802.11z wireless & powered by photovoltaic cells in the casing?)
 
I have no sympathy for early adopters complaining about the price/function of their devices.

I agree and I got my iPhone (with no regrets, it's ace) on the day it was launched here.

However the logic that other users have posted that the phone has been around for a year (come June) so must have a hardware refresh doesn't wash with me either. I'd like the 3G iteration of the device to be as good as possible. If that means waiting another 6 months from now, so be it.

When it does land it should be a big enough leap forward that I'll want that too.

As for support for previous devices. I expect Apple to continue that when the new phone comes. In the same way that my 867GHz 12" Powerbook can still run Leopard. Think of the iPhone as a handheld computer (as that is what it is), rather than just a mobile phone.
 
Area doesn't matter. Population density does. European Union has a population density of 122 people per square km. USA has one of 31. Everyone see the distinct contrast. Clearly the EU has a much greater advantage when setting up phone networks because networks are usually not limited as much by load as by range. Thus the USA has a much bigger problem with there much lower population density.

On similar accords, Canada has such a problem because it has a population density of 3, but thats not quite accurate since no one lives 200km above the border (I mean honestly...) A more accurate population density often cited for that strip of land is 15 people per square kilometre, still a much lower number than the US. Hence the often even slower adaption of technologies.

Well, that is true but than again the Scandinavian countries have a similar population density as Canada has - Norway, Sweden and Finland to my knowledge have an excellent network coverage - exactly because of the low population density.

Its very important to have a good coverage if you don't have anyone living within the next 150 km, if you get stuck you need to be able to call someone...
 
5) Are you planing on traveling internationally? The current iteration of the iPhone does NOT work in Europe or Japan, just to name a few places. It is believed that the 3G version will be able to do so.
Korea and Japan. Only.

However, if you're travelling a lot internationally, the iPhone may be the wrong choice. Due to the net lock, you can't insert other (local) SIM cards.
 
5) Are you planing on traveling internationally? The current iteration of the iPhone does NOT work in Europe or Japan, just to name a few places. It is believed that the 3G version will be able to do so.

uhhhh...? :confused: UK, France and Germany have iPhones, for at least for 5 months here in the UK. Released in Ireland and Austria today, don't know about rest of Europe.
 
[geektalk]However, more recent 3G phones employ a 3G technology called HSDPA. That can go up to and beyond 14.4 Mbps, but current network implementations are 1.8Mbps and 3.6Mbps.
[/geektalk]and hopefully GPS

My normal 3G phone is 3.6Mbps, but my HSDPA data card is 7.2...
 
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