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M2 is better than M1 in everyway
M2 Pro will be not so much because M1 pro already have hardware encoders pro res etc
I dont see any significant cpu gain,maybe 10%, and gpu over 35% not a chance
yeah it is, but not by much, 10% on avg and 20% best case scenario. if you're using intel's tick tok method sure, but from apple A series prospective that ain't much.
 
Love when people say things like: "never, no chance, not gonna happen etc." That is a recipe for failure from the start.

In fact, if Intel dropped and TSCM has capacity then it may as well be this year. However, I would assume that M2 Mini and Mac Pro will come first so not sure Apple will want to throw MBP in the mix too. Seeing that Covid messed up the timing for Apple (and others) one could easily expect anything at this point.

there is no chance for new macbook pro with m2 this year, the earliest is March or June 2023. m1 pro and m1 max were produced more than half a year earlier before the premiere
 
If the m2 pro is an enhanced m2 then it seems unlikely that they would use an entirely different manufacturing process... but that's just using common sense.
I would also be quite surprised that apple is released a Mac series on n3 before an iPhone. Considering that iPhone chips need to start being built 6 months ahead of release for regulatory testing, I’m guessing that they are probably the first ones.
 
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Love when people say things like: "never, no chance, not gonna happen etc." That is a recipe for failure from the start.

In fact, if Intel dropped and TSCM has capacity then it may as well be this year. However, I would assume that M2 Mini and Mac Pro will come first so not sure Apple will want to throw MBP in the mix too. Seeing that Covid messed up the timing for Apple (and others) one could easily expect anything at this point.
"TSMC will begin mass producing chips using its leading-edge N3 (3nm-class) manufacturing process this September, according to a Commercial Times report that cites equipment manufacturers. The contract chipmaker will deliver the first products made using its N3 node to its customers early next year."

 
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I would also be quite surprised that apple is released a Mac series on n3 before an iPhone. Considering that iPhone chips need to start being built 6 months ahead of release for regulatory testing, I’m guessing that they are probably the first ones.
this also, iphone takes preference over anything else apple makes, afterall iphone sales counts for over 50% of apple's revenue.
 
Love when people say things like: "never, no chance, not gonna happen etc." That is a recipe for failure from the start.

In fact, if Intel dropped and TSCM has capacity then it may as well be this year. However, I would assume that M2 Mini and Mac Pro will come first so not sure Apple will want to throw MBP in the mix too. Seeing that Covid messed up the timing for Apple (and others) one could easily expect anything at this point.

TSMC CEO literally said it won’t be this year. It’s not about capacity. The R&D of N3 process was delayed. Mass production of a new process typically starts in the first half of the year. N3 hasn’t started today. Given wafer cycle times take more than 3 months, there is no chance of 3nm shipping this year.

Intel CEO is visiting TSMC this month because they want to postpone Meteor Lake due to design delays. But TSMC wants to continue as planned because they have the capacity.
 
Do we really expect Apple will use the same architecture as the M2/A15? I mean if they are going through the trouble of using 3nm is it possible it would be built on the A16? Apple has skipped gens for larger processors before. And if so I wouldn't be surprised if it was called M3 Pro/Max.
 
I wanted that for so long that I eventually gave up. Waiting for Mac Mini M2 Pro/Max and will update my screen.

30" ACD and 17" MBP and 2008 Mac Pro was their best value/machine they had.

Now everything is faster (of course) but super expensive and value is not there. (screen, Mac Pro etc.)

Miss those days although now its more exciting.
U don't consider the MBA m1 to be of super value?
 
What about the M2 extreme for Mac Pro. Isn’t that also coming this fall or Q4.

The M2 ultra/extreme must be 3nm too right ?
Saw a report that said that Intel has told TSMC that they won’t need the 3 nm production that they had originally scheduled for next year. TSMC has also recently announced, but after the Intel announcement, that they expect their 3 nm assembly line to be busy for all of next year. Someone is stepping in to use that capacity and it isn’t Intel and there aren’t a lot of other customers who have a design ready.
 
yeah it is, but not by much, 10% on avg and 20% best case scenario. if you're using intel's tick tok method sure, but from apple A series prospective that ain't much.
i was talking with that user from M1-> M2 vs M1 pro -> M2 pro gaining perspective
No-one even talked about Intel here
 
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Exciting times ahead... I thought about buying a refurbished Mac Studio M1 Pro Max (10% off), but I'd rather wait for M2 Pro or M2 Max and pay full price.
 
i understand, but i was saying depending on what perspective you are using, it isn't too impressive going from m1 to m2 consider every upgrade from apple's A series has been doubled or near doubled.
Again, ...i was talking to that user that thinks the gain from M1 Pro to M2 pro will be bigger than the gain from M1 to M2
Hope now you understood...if not, it doesnt matter since the discussion wasnt with you :)
 
Can someone refresh my memory?: How big is the TSMC reticle? How much is the die shrink from 5nm to 3nm? and can Apple squeeze 4 M SOC onto one slab of slicon?
 
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