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3rd rMBP and still the same issues.
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Perhaps you should go look at something WITHOUT flaws.
A Thunderbolt Display or iMac for example. Even under intense scrutiny, my 2011 27" iMac, which employs the same IPS display as a thunderbolt display exhibits:
1) Completely and utter screen uniformity to my eyes
2) Completely and utter neutral white levels
3) Minimal light bleed
4) No other issues like dead pixels or retention.
On the other hand, I've had and owned/experienced multiple iPad 3s and Retina Macbook Pros. The issues present on these are GLARING.
Screens where half of a white page is yellow and half is pink
Dead pixels and dust
Dark areas and poor uniformity
Blatant tints - I've gone through iPads where whites are flat out PINK.
I'm sorry you are not a discerning customer. It's in your physiology. Corporations love consumers like you, you simply have a lower threshold of flaw detection.
That isn't a compliment, as our society values individuals who are detail oriented and perceptive.
^^^Please also note 1 is a desktop full screen with little space issues for backlight uniformity and very very proven IPS tech vs. new retina unproven, space issues, and rev 1 IPS for laptop. Maybe has something to do with it? I returned my hi-res cMBP because it was literally the worst Macbook screen I have ever seen and gave me a headache in under 30 min use. Still, better than a Lenovo, Dell, or Toshiba screen.
I almost can feel the stress, frustration, angryness of the people who keep returning and exchanging their rMBP again and again... Seriously, it is not worth to waste your money, your priceless time, and health (watch eyebags
) on a machine that has random manufacturing defects and that is not ready for prime time. It seems that getting a rMBP free from issues is likely winning the lottery...My advice: Wait until all rMBP's issues are fixed (probably next rev) because it will take some time to rMBP to get on rails... if you can't wait then get a classic MBP as it is solid as a rock and fully proven...
Since you are so good at posting photos of virtually undetectable light bleed, why don't you also post photos of where "half of a white page is yellow and half is pink" - this should be very easy to photograph and show, right? Dead pixels and dust
again, let's see a photo.
The photo you posted shows absolutely no defect whatsoever. If you are looking at the screen at full brightness in a pitch black room, and you see a little bit of a glow that can barely be photographed, then you are going to extremes to find an issue that is a non-issue for anyone using their RMBPs in circumstances that are not as extreme as yours. Now, if your regular use of the machine requires that you sit in a pitch black room with your brightness turned all the way up, then yes I can see how this machine isn't for you.
I can't wait until you get your regular MBP and start posting threads about it
The photo you posted shows absolutely no defect whatsoever. If you are looking at the screen at full brightness in a pitch black room, and you see a little bit of a glow that can barely be photographed, then you are going to extremes to find an issue that is a non-issue for anyone using their RMBPs in circumstances that are not as extreme as yours. Now, if your regular use of the machine requires that you sit in a pitch black room with your brightness turned all the way up, then yes I can see how this machine isn't for you.
I can't wait until you get your regular MBP and start posting threads about it
Perhaps you should go look at something WITHOUT flaws.
A Thunderbolt Display or iMac for example. Even under intense scrutiny, my 2011 27" iMac, which employs the same IPS display as a thunderbolt display exhibits:
1) Completely and utter screen uniformity to my eyes
2) Completely and utter neutral white levels
3) Minimal light bleed
4) No other issues like dead pixels or retention.
On the other hand, I've had and owned/experienced multiple iPad 3s and Retina Macbook Pros. The issues present on these are GLARING.
Screens where half of a white page is yellow and half is pink
Dead pixels and dust
Dark areas and poor uniformity
Blatant tints - I've gone through iPads where whites are flat out PINK.
I'm sorry you are not a discerning customer. It's in your physiology. Corporations love consumers like you, you simply have a lower threshold of flaw detection.
That isn't a compliment, as our society values individuals who are detail oriented and perceptive.
What's the maximum number of tries? I read some people could not go beyond the 4th...
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What a bad Karma!. You could at least wish him good luck...
That was somewhat my earlier point. Reference photos are problematic to interpret at times. I mean what's shown in the OP looks problematic if it really looks like that, yet if you're bringing up the black levels to a brighter point by means of camera exposure, it's possible to greatly accentuate such a thing when it may not be noticeable under normal use. Desktop displays as you mentioned are also incredibly mature technology. This kind of thing was quite prominent in earlier desktop lcd displays. They were expensive and had all kinds of issues, yet CRTs were becoming harder to find. Perhaps no one on here saw the problems with some of the earlier Cinema display generations. Those were expensive too.
Yeah is looks like a contrast heavy cheese cloth and I can't remember ever seeing this. Almost like the Apple "linen" background with light shown uniformly from behind. But hard to determine. It has great laptop uniformity if this is the issue. Maybe a thicker panel? Kidding, of course.
But why? Somebody like this is only looking for something to be unhappy about, so just wait. He will be back here within minutes of getting his MBP to post about a creaky hinge or something equally ridiculous. Just wait!
So your saying a creaky hinge is something ridiculous? I bet almost anyone in here would complain about something like that.
I can't believe you get angry over someone else's problems, specifically apple problems. Just goes to show what kind of person YOU are.
It would appear that I'm not the angry one And yes, returning a computer for a squeaky hinge is ridiculous - and if you can't see that, you have a bigger problem.
Purchasing the first version of brand new Apple technology as soon as it is released can be a real crap shoot.
If I was in the market for an rMBP all the problems that I have read about would make me wait until the bugs are worked out.
But I don't need to read anything to know that something like the rMBP should be avoided if you cannot treat it as a grand experiment while continuing to use a reliable Mac that you already own.
I depend on my Macs to make a living. I cannot risk down-time due to a defective computer, so I always have at least two Macs up-and-running. Even when I purchase a Mac that has been available for awhile I don't sell the Mac it is intended to replace until I am certain the new Mac is fully operational and it is playing nice with my hardware and software.
I realize that this doesn't help those who have already bitten the rMBP bullet but this is just my Two Cents based on years of experience using Macs and assisting clients with their Macs.
Good luck dealing with Apple. I hope the company does the right thing for everyone having problems with the rMBP.
If I was in the market for an rMBP all the problems that I have read about would make me wait until the bugs are worked out.
But I don't need to read anything to know that something like the rMBP should be avoided if you cannot treat it as a grand experiment while continuing to use a reliable Mac that you already own.
I depend on my Macs to make a living. I cannot risk down-time due to a defective computer, so I always have at least two Macs up-and-running. Even when I purchase a Mac that has been available for awhile I don't sell the Mac it is intended to replace until I am certain the new Mac is fully operational and it is playing nice with my hardware and software.
I realize that this doesn't help those who have already bitten the rMBP bullet but this is just my Two Cents based on years of experience using Macs and assisting clients with their Macs.
Good luck dealing with Apple. I hope the company does the right thing for everyone having problems with the rMBP.
^^^ it would appear that you have quite the agenda, since you are copying and pasting the same FUD in other threads. Here is an example from another RMBP thread where you pasted the same exact thing:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1391136/
Nice job.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1391136/
Nice job.
It would be appear I'm not the ONLY angry one. I have every right to be angry about this issue. You on the other hand need to get a life and stop barging into threads like these with your negative attitude. These issues I've been having wouldn't have been confirmed If i hadn't spoken to the genius bar TWICE. The second person even told me she's seen this coloration on the 3rd gen iPads. So do us all a favor and stop with this crap your pulling and let the less narrow minded people discuss about issues such as these. I bet plenty of peopl would have a problem with a brand new macbook having a squeaky hinge. DEAL WITH IT.
The only real solution is to return these devices and wait for the problems to be resolved. If enough people did this, Apple would be more cautious with their product launches. They're trying to push the latest thing as it generates buzz, but problems do arise. There's a very good reason I decide when to buy things. As for the display, doing any demanding work would be difficult for me on a 15" display. Even though I tend to strip the UIs whenever possible and hotkey everything, I need some real estate. I'm the weirdest person in this regard that you could ever imagine. I write (extra tool) scripts and hotkeys and everything. I do a lot of drawing and 3d modeling + photo composite work, and my cursor almost never touches a tool palette. Little things with displays drive me mad, even if they're barely noticeable, so I ensure that I'm purchasing something stable rather than the latest thing. Most displays don't look the same after several thousand hours, so even if you get a perfect unit, depending on the longevity of your purchase, other things could become apparent later.
I liked Deconstruct's reference there. He said Apple was the poster child for anorexia nervosa in computing. Regarding linen, are you referring to the OP's photo or the appearance of the machine you just returned? In the OP I see banding patterns and noise. The way cmos sensors are set up to stitch things together can make these an issue if the image is then pushed too far. The noise suggests it was either shot at high ISO or brought up from a darker value somewhere in processing. In camera processing can do this. I'm saying the textured look there can simply represent camera noise. The uniformity has a difficult to determine context. If the values when viewed on screen are as far apart as they appear visually there, it would be disturbing, but this did exist in desktop displays.
I've referenced NEC before. They used their colorcomp system to compensate there. It's basically panel blocking so you might have a slightly narrower contrast range. The algorithms were probably difficult to determine. Much of that is becoming a bit less necessary simply due to the relative maturity of such technology, but other display designs have progressed through such issues. The common problem I see on here is that there's a desire to equate display panel number with "must be the same device with different packaging". When people on here are so critical of the aesthetic design of many of these devices, I'm surprised by how much the internal tech is reduced to vendor part numbers.
I've tried to isolate things which provide reasonably universal benefit for people who want clean color on their displays without viewing it as a single link in a chain. Most of the time it comes down to something that can be held to a reasonably stable standard with a display profile capable of displaying a typical sRGB color gamut as most content for the web is optimized for viewing within this space (that's simplified somewhat) and the ability to display a full set of values (doesn't turn to mush above 245 or below 10). Beyond that the only way to try to match all devices is via software which takes a lowest common denominator colorimetric approach to LAB values that fall within the addressable gamut of all devices, and even then viewing conditions will impact how the results are perceived.
I think people are going to complain no matter what though. These things are expensive, so people get picky. I don't blame them for that, but if several units result in immediate rejection, I would postpone the purchase as later in life problems (relative to the device) remain unknown.
Some users on here are quite hostile. I'm only that way when they make obviously silly comparisons ("why isn't my rMBP equal to the brightness of my iphone?" kind of descriptions) That being said, unless you really need to upgrade, the quest for the perfect unit may be a futile one. I find it a bit easier to go with stable technology rather than the latest thing. I'd prefer something show up and work, which is why I laugh at some of the people trading in their 2011s.
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How am I stopping you from discussing your non-existent issue? Seems I've touched a nerve...
I got mine and it had no issues (That I have noticed) and I did check for dead pixels.
Admitidly I didn't put a black image on the screen and sit in the dark and stare at it. I tend not to use my laptop like that....
So you mean to say you use your laptop like a normal person? What's wrong with you!? You paid over $2000 for that machine, you have to nitpick every nanometer of it for absolute perfection!
See, when you can't think of a legit response you fall back on trolling.
You're hopeless.
My point is and has always been that someone like you will always find something to be unhappy about. Just look at the picture you posted. Obviously the machine doesn't meet your needs, so return it and get what you want. My larger point is that you're being far too picky if what you showed in your photo is bothering you. There is nothing even visible.
Wow a little bit more understanding now? Good for you. I have returned it. And yes picky by your standards.
You have a bad attitude, and treat someone who criticizes you like they stepped on one of your cats. Just relax.
I got mine and it had no issues (That I have noticed) and I did check for dead pixels.
Admitidly I didn't put a black image on the screen and sit in the dark and stare at it. I tend not to use my laptop like that....
Baha same; if I can't notice a problem with normal usage then that's ok. I'm not going to go looking for something. I'd become paranoid, as I worry some users on here have become.