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Why do you need to turn off something that only works when you ask it to?

A master control switch. People forget. People don't realize the implications of setting the "automatically check email" options, or forget to turn the setting off when they go travelling. People with kids (or people who are kids) who are used to a certain level of service in the US and don't realize the implications when outside the country.

Yes, maybe they could and probably should know better, and it's their own fault and they deserve what they got. But a master control switch in a pref pane somewhere would hardly cost anything. It would take me no more than a few hours to add a global feature on/off switch to the software I develop. And it would make every one of these "$x thousand dollar iPhone bill!" threads, every complaint like those shown, every negative news story, Digg article, all the bad press and PR, and all of the "bad" reputation (what's the opposite of goodwill?) and bad feelings about all this, all go away, because now we can plainly and easily say "Well, did you turn off the Master Switch?" "Uh..."

It doesn't cost much, and it would help a lot. Why WOULDN'T you do it?

My color laser printer has a master switch for color/black and white printing. I try to print web pages, for example, in black and white so I don't waste expensive color toners printing superfluous graphics and banner ads. It doesn't need to have this global switch, as I could go into the Print Settings dialog and change it on a document-by-document basis. There are three places on the printer and software print driver where I change the color/bw settings. I know exactly how each works. But I still forget sometimes, or sometimes my family members print without checking, so I'm glad the global setting exists.
 
Dr. Iha, don't be afraid, be informed. It was not expensive abroad if you use the data plan offered.
I don't want to use data abroad though, just a phone.

And you decide when to have the EDGE work. And the statistics page keeps you informed as to usage. I used my phone for two weeks in Europe and spent less than 30 dollars on Data. There is no need to turn off EDGE, just don't use it unless you want to.
That's $30 more than I want to spend on data.

There is no automatic usage, you have to decide to use it.
Pure crap. What about visual voicemail? It uses EDGE and there is no way of turning it off.

There is absolutely no need for a switch to turn off the EDGE. If you are really worried have ATT, turn off your EDGE service while roaming abroad, but personally I find that a major waste of time.
I shouldn't have to spend an hour on the phone to AT&T to turn off data on my phone, it should just be an option.


There is no such thing as random data usage, it's a myth. There is only user initiated data usage.
As I said above: Visual voice mail. If I take my iPhone abroad, leave it turned on and don't use it for Email/Internet, it will still rack up data roaming fees. This is the issue.
 
I can't believe all the misinformation in these posts from people who have no experience with the iPhone abroad. There is a very small data usage in Visual Voicemail and that is it. After two weeks in Europe I found myself at the Dublin airport struggling to use up my 20 megs which cost less than $25 total. And I used Google maps constantly, read the morning papers at breakfast on Safari, tons of Visual Voicemail, Checked the weather for several cities 4-5 times a day, and checked 4 email accounts at least once a day (manually). The biggest charge you will get abroad is NOT data it is roaming at $.99 a minute.
People who say they can't afford this won't be traveling abroad anyway. And if you are just cheap then get a $50 dollar RAZR. Stop whining, get the facts. I have used world phones in Europe for over 10 years and NOTHING comes close to the iPhone's full service operation abroad, and I have NEVER paid less for these services. And I agree with a previous poster, if you put this useless switch in, there would still be idiots who would not turn it off and blame everyone under the sun for their own lack of knowledge. Take some personal responsibility and if you are on a tight budget, stay home and save your limited funds.
Enough said.
 
To be fair, yes, you cannot turn off visual voice mail, and as I understand it there are periodic network usages to check for updates. However anyone racking up more than $100 in usage fees is doing more than just getting phone updates and voicemail.

These people were offered $1500 from at&t and should take it gladly. I'm sure that amount more than covers the usage they had no control over. As for everything else, there have been plenty of horror stories of huge iPhone bills when used on travel. Were these people living under a rock for the last 2 months?

With any phone, even when they say "no roaming fees" they are almost always referring to domestic use only. I can't think of a single phone company that won't charge either an extra monthly charge or roaming fees for use when outside your home country.
 
I can't believe all the misinformation in these posts from people who have no experience with the iPhone abroad. There is a very small data usage in Visual Voicemail and that is it.
You admit that you signed up to a international data plan. I'm not willing to do this personally (I don't want or need data while abroad). The trouble is not using that international data plan means that "small data usage" for visual voicemail will suddenly become a large bill due to the high cost of "off-plan" roaming.

Its real simple, I understand the costs and the issues fully, I chose to turn my cell phone off rather than sign up to an international plan. With any other phone, I could simple not use data (and be guaranteed not to be billed for it) or I could turn off data temporarily. I just want a phone while I'm in Europe, I don't want a data plan, so I guess I'll be leaving my iPhone at home.
 
T-Mo has that, minus the alarm. Just go to your Tzones account page and under "My Account" it will list current usage. Also dialing #min# or #msg# will give you your remaining minutes and remaining txt messages quickly. I don't have a data plan so I don't know if there's a similar thing for data, but it should show up in the my accounts page.

Yea and so does AT&T and every other cell carrier.
 
People who say they can't afford this won't be traveling abroad anyway. And if you are just cheap then get a $50 dollar RAZR. Stop whining, get the facts.
I can afford it, I just don't want to have it forced upon me. Plus, don't tell me to stop whining: you stop being an apologist. It would be real simple for Apple to include the ability to turn the iPhone into "phone mode". It can do just about everything else (airplane mode, WiFi only mode) after all.

I have used world phones in Europe for over 10 years and NOTHING comes close to the iPhone's full service operation abroad, and I have NEVER paid less for these services. And I agree with a previous poster, if you put this useless switch in, there would still be idiots who would not turn it off and blame everyone under the sun for their own lack of knowledge.
Screw the idiots, I want the feature as a smart person.

Take some personal responsibility and if you are on a tight budget, stay home and save your limited funds. Enough said.
I'm travelling on business, I can get my iPhone charges refunded if I want. That's not the issue. I want the choice to be able to use my iPhone as a phone only and not pay data roaming. Why do you have such a hard time getting this?
 
Can't all this be avoided just by locking your SIM? Then it CAN'T access EDGE, can it?
I am going to europe for 3 weeks next month, and my understanding was that this would work. I just want to use the wifi, and have the SIM card still in there that I can unlock in case of an emergency. I was originally going to just take the SIM card out of my iPhone and stick it in a razr and carry both. Then I found out about the locked SIM.
 
I used to travel with a local phone in Europe and that is the way to save tons of money. I prefer to use one phone now for less than $25 dollars in data usage, about the price of a horsemeat cheeseburger in Paris. Leaving again for Europe next week and I will be enjoying my iPhone's full capabilities. Let's put this in perspective and stop the whining.
I'm out.
 
I used to travel with a local phone in Europe and that is the way to save tons of money. I prefer to use one phone now for less than $25 dollars in data usage, about the price of a horsemeat cheeseburger in Paris. Leaving again for Europe next week and I will be enjoying my iPhone's full capabilities. Let's put this in perspective and stop the whining.
I'm out.

Is that $25 a month or by usage of the 20MB? It would be great to have where I can't find wifi.
 
By the by....I had a local SIM card in Italy in '04. Our local phone company here tried to charge me hundreds of dollars in 'access' fees they say they were charged by the Italian cell company each time my home number dialed my Italy cell phone. I finally got them to reverse it, but be aware.
 
Hey, how does one put the iPhone into WiFi-only mode?

You have to lock your SIM card. There are directions somewhere online that I found.
Basically, after you have locked your SIM card, and you turn the phone OFF, when you restart it, it asks for your PIN. If you don't provide the PIN, you can still use all the features of the iPhone except for the phone and, of course, text messaging. You are left with a wifi iPod.
Another upside to this is that if your phone is stolen overseas, can you imagine the data bill? This way it can't be accessed by anyone except you.
 
Is that $25 a month or by usage of the 20MB? It would be great to have where I can't find wifi.

It is an additional $25/month for the international data usage...lol the funny thing is that I just re-installed all my apps from installer.app after restoring my phone and in 20 mins i racked up 24MB's :D

Good thing Im in the US lol

But ya, I dont feel sorry for these people at all. There have been stories all over the internet warning about this, they should have known....But it seems if a family has 3 iPhones and is taking a carribian cruse, they have a little money, might not be a big deal for them
 
Why did they need to bring all three phones with them on their vacation?

Vacation for me means no phone if possible, or if I have to, off (not standby; RTFM.) and packed away. Don't even need the charger for a month and a half.

Oh, and by the way... the manual is pretty clear. I looked it up.
It's page 14 of the manual, listed under Basics: "Turn iPhone completely off".
Linkety to iPhone article (PDF warning, ~9MB)
 
But ya, I dont feel sorry for these people at all. There have been stories all over the internet warning about this, they should have known....But it seems if a family has 3 iPhones and is taking a carribian cruse, they have a little money, might not be a big deal for them

People are saying that they don't have the tech know how to have known better. Yet, they were able to find the forums to post about what happened. You would think they would have had the same ability to read about it BEFORE they went.
 
Ask AT&T to turn off EDGE before your trip

It is possible for AT&T to turn off EDGE, even when you're an ocean away. Maybe some of these "horror stories" will prompt folks to plan better on their trips until a better solution comes about. I was in the UK for a week, used the iPhone extensively, and completely avoided charges related to EDGE data.

It's documented on iPhoneAtlas regarding how to go about this. The problem is that most AT&T techs aren't used to the procedure or what to do. I had to make two calls to have EDGE disabled, and when I returned to the states, 3 calls for them to turn it back on. I cannot recommend the process to a non-tech person. Overall it took about 2 hours of tech support. Fortunately the international AT&T support number is a free call.
 
Why did they need to bring all three phones with them on their vacation?

Vacation for me means no phone if possible, or if I have to, off (not standby; RTFM.) and packed away. Don't even need the charger for a month and a half.

Oh, and by the way... the manual is pretty clear. I looked it up.
It's page 14 of the manual, listed under Basics: "Turn iPhone completely off".
Linkety to iPhone article (PDF warning, ~9MB)
I have been to Europe and the UK 4-5 times a year for the last 20 years, never on vacation. Film festivals etc and they are communication intensive!!
 
I have been to Europe and the UK 4-5 times a year for the last 20 years, never on vacation. Film festivals etc and they are communication intensive!!

This family was on a cruise ship. Even in port, they couldn't get more than a few kilometers away from each other. A walkie-talkie would have done the trick, and those cost only a few bucks for AA batteries. (This is a great travel hint, BTW. A walkie talkie can be used anywhere, free of charge, has great battery life, and there aren't any contracts to worry about. Plus, they'll last for years, far longer than any cell phone might.)
 
Each and every one of these stories makes me sick. Stupid people piss me off. No, I'm not an apologist, but honestly, how dumb can you be? Everybody who owns a cell phone knows roaming is expensive. And you'd think it would be obvious to people, that roaming on another CONTINENT would be even more expensive than normal roaming.

I also find it VERY difficult to believe that a 4800$ resulted from the phone checking email automatically. No way. Basically they decided to use their phones for internet, and a lot of internet by the looks of it, and now they're whining because it's not as cheap as it is back home. Now I'm sure it didn't cost AT&T $4800 to deal with whatever company's service they used, but the face is that AT&T can charge whatever the hell they want, because you signed a contract saying they could. Take the $1500 and pay the rest, because you shouldn't even get that much.

Yeah, cell phone companies are crooked, but everybody KNOWS that they're crooked, so claiming innocence is just idiotic.
 
Yeah, cell phone companies are crooked, but everybody KNOWS that they're crooked, so claiming innocence is just idiotic.

So Apple putting in a simple on/off switch that would help prevent you from being swindled by a crooked cell phone company, is a stupid idea because everyone knows that cell phone companies are crooked?
 
So Apple putting in a simple on/off switch that would help prevent you from being swindled by a crooked cell phone company, is a stupid idea because everyone knows that cell phone companies are crooked?

An on/off switch for edge/gprs is a good idea, but the these people would not have used an on/off switch even if it had been there. They obviously were doing more than just getting visual voicemail and phone updates. I could see email doing it if they were receiving huge attachments but more likely they were doing maps, web-browsing and sending tons of photos to friends and family. They wouldn't have turned off their network even if they had the switch and would have run up an identical bill.
 
This family was on a cruise ship. Even in port, they couldn't get more than a few kilometers away from each other. A walkie-talkie would have done the trick, and those cost only a few bucks for AA batteries. (This is a great travel hint, BTW. A walkie talkie can be used anywhere, free of charge, has great battery life, and there aren't any contracts to worry about. Plus, they'll last for years, far longer than any cell phone might.)
Yeah cruise ship roaming and data charges are outrageous, but not as bad as ship to shore used to be at $20+ a minute! ATT can not change that, only Princess, Royal C. or Cunard can fix that.
 
So Apple putting in a simple on/off switch that would help prevent you from being swindled by a crooked cell phone company, is a stupid idea because everyone knows that cell phone companies are crooked?

Actually, I don't recall saying that was a bad idea. I think it would be a great idea, but I also don't think you should whine about a big bill just because there isn't one.
 
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