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Just like the G5, when it ships... to the other important parts of the world it will be dated and it will be surpassed with no price cut in sight.

Remember Apple havn't dropped prices on the iPod ever so i doubt they will do it with these, they would just add more capacity instead.
 
Originally posted by Hattig
Learn that other countries use the dollar as well, in this case S$, which is Singapore. Furthermore, this was pointed out earlier already.

Secondly, the 4GB Rio costs the same as the 4GB iPod Mini. All that is different will be the styling and onboard software. Most likely the iPod Mini will win here. However the Rio does have a 16 hour battery life ...

Actually an official MSRP has not been announced on the new 4GB Rio, it is suspected to be $249. I would bet that they undercut the Mini when it is officaly announced.
 
Annoying, Cheap and Tasteless

Your complaints all make me ill. In a way, I may understand the complaints regarding storage capacity. On the other hand, if you can afford it, just look but dont touch. I'll be rocking mine by weeks end in Tokyo. I'm sure it will be a huge hit in Asia.... this is definetely what we've been looking for.

Open your mind. Ignorant, cheap and barbaric Americans still in the homeland are not the only ones that will be purchasing this product.
 
The amount of price complaints fascinates me. A friend of mine just got a new Dell computer and a Rio MP3 player for xmas. I just checked the website for the Rio he got. The Rio "Street Nitrus" w/1.5gb drive is $219.

Ok, look again. They paid $219 for 1.5.

Ok, here's your math.
4gb/1.5gb = 2.6666666666666666666666666667

Ok, take that answer (2.6666666666666666666666667) and multiply by the price. A 4gb Rio WOULD have cost approx. $583.

Yes, I know they just released a 4gb at the same price point as Apple, but you're missing the point. People were and are buying these players with minimal capacity at prices over $200.

Get it?
 
Originally posted by wilburpan
For all those saying "but for $50 I can get 11 more GB":

Also, one advantage of the iPod mini is that since it is a flash-based player, there are no moving parts, making it ideal for someone who wants an mp3 player to take along while running/biking/doing other sports. In this case, size becomes a big issue as well. For these users, being able to hold 2-3 hours of music is plenty, and well within the storage capacity of the iPod mini. Remember, 2-3 hours of music was the storage capacity of the original Sony Walkman when it was introduced.


It is NOT flash-based - there are moving parts (only smaller than on the regular iPod). Accordingly, it's not aimed at the millions of runners out there and should have all of the same skipping problems that the jumboPods have. I would be one of the first in line to buy an iTune capable flash player, even at a smaller size than 4gigs. When I'm just walking around, my current iPod is plenty small enough (and, I might add, still pretty stylish to boot).
 
I just noticed that the prices were cut on the iPod regular prices by 50 bucks each model. It pisses me off that there wont be a mini one internationally until april its kinda retarded but for now im satisfied with my ten(for now i might get a mini me to complement it for when i go biking and stuff )and at least i didn't pay for it. Ah well the future is very bright for apple. This april thing makes me wonder(i dont know if anyone has mentioned this yet but could that be apples target date for the international itunes stores...just a thought. Is it just me or will the anondized aluminum of the mini ipod be more scracth reseistant than the regulars plastic metal shiney finsih wich scrathes like hell
 

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Cupertino: We have a PROBLEM

Steve, I know you are reading so heres the plan to get us all into buying the mini...

1. Lower the price tag to 199
2. Include a Dock
3. Say hello to our 199 (x311 posts) little friends!
 
Originally posted by iMook
does anyone beside think Apple could have shrunk the iPod mini considerably? (at maybe a slight thickness cost) I mean, the admittedly small difference in form factors between the iPod and the iPod mini isn't going to make people flock to the mini (but instead encourage to spring for the 15GB)

I have a $130 128MB Flash player that is the size of half a business card, but it has a tiny screen and really terrible controls on the side of it. It has nowhere near the useability of the iPod or the mini.

The greatest strengths of the iPod is its scrollwheel and large display. All the mini iPod markups I saw had no scroll wheel or a 2-line display, which would have made the iPod a total dud.

I'm holding a business card in my hand and while it's alot smaller than my 2G 20GB iPod, it also pretty retains its ease of use, plus being lighter and smaller means that at $249, it's still a good deal because this mini targets a difference segment of the market not focused solely on capacity.
 
I think a lot of you are missing the point: there have just been over 300 posts on this one topic, and nearly every one of them is saying "The 15GB iPod is a better deal, I'd go for that".

Ok, let's do the math. How much does it cost to make these things? I think the release of the iPod mini has just pushed a *whole* load of people to spring for an "extra" $50. Now everyone's parting with their crisp $50 note and feeling like they are *saving money*.

I think the iPod mini is marketing genius.

And for everyone who doesn't get tipped, hey you get a color iPod!

As for those complaining that UK pricing is a rip-off: open your eyes. Everything in the UK is a rip-off. The pound is so strong on the world currency market that it is in fact cheaper to order things online and pay international shipping surcharges to get it delivered to you than it is to walk down the street and buy it from the local shop!

Enough of a late-night rant for me. The keynote definetly tipped my scales: I'll place my order for a 40GB iPod tomorrow, and feel glad that I waited for peace of mind that it is in fact the best deal going.

Rawk on.
 
Originally posted by Sir_Giggles
I find all this rather amusing. The new iPod mini pricing doesn't go over too well with people ready to buy, yet for people who already bought theirs, they are secretly feeling a little smug, or even happy.

Well, speaking as one who's had an iPod for about 2 years now, I'm a little disappointed. Not because I'm in the market to buy, (5 gigs is just fine for me), but because I think $199 is a much more competitive price. Whether that's plausible for Apple to price it that low at this point, I'm not qualified to say. But as a consumer, and as an Apple evangelist, I think it's a bit too much buck for the bang. (That sounds kinda wrong, but it's not meant to be, honest! 😛 )
 
Originally posted by Hattig
Learn that other countries use the dollar as well, in this case S$, which is Singapore. Furthermore, this was pointed out earlier already.

Secondly, the 4GB Rio costs the same as the 4GB iPod Mini. All that is different will be the styling and onboard software. Most likely the iPod Mini will win here. However the Rio does have a 16 hour battery life ...
Not to mention the Dell 15Gb Digital Jukebox costs the same. Sure it is a piece of Dell plastic, but it offers 60x the storage at only $50 more than a 256Mb players. Shouldn't it have already destroyed Steve's "High End Flash Player" market based on Apple own arguement?
I really think Apple missed the point. People who want to spend less than $200, really want to spend less than $200. They don't care what they can get for another $50. (After all that is 25% more).
I am ready to buy a larger mp3 player to replace my 64Mb, three year old Rio. As soon as there is one that I like for less than $150 I will buy. I am not going to let Steve talk me into paying another $100.
 
Originally posted by wilburpan
Also, one advantage of the iPod mini is that since it is a flash-based player, there are no moving parts, making it ideal for someone who wants an mp3 player to take along while running/biking/doing other sports.
The 4GB drive is (afaik) a hard drive, not solid state media (can you imagine what they'd charge if it was!?!). So there are moving parts just like any other drive.
 
Originally posted by rdas7
As for those complaining that UK pricing is a rip-off: open your eyes. Everything in the UK is a rip-off. The pound is so strong on the world currency market that it is in fact cheaper to order things online and pay international shipping surcharges to get it delivered to you than it is to walk down the street and buy it from the local shop!

Actually the price stinks across the whole of Europe. We pay $127 dollars more in Europe for the 15 gig iPod than than they do in the USA.

How would a $417 15 gig iPod sound to you Yanks?
 
I agree the price difference between Europe/UK and America stinks, I just wonder how pay rates differ between europe and America for similar vocations? would say a chef in europe be on more per hour then a USA chef, or would it be the other way round


Sorry if totally way off topic!
 
Re: Annoying, Cheap and Tasteless

Originally posted by Anomaly
Open your mind. Ignorant, cheap and barbaric Americans still in the homeland are not the only ones that will be purchasing this product.
Pay attention, Steve said Apple wants to take over another 31% of the market. They cannot do this without selling a lot of iPod minis to Ignorant, cheap and barbaric Americans.
 
skipping

Amid all these posts, and it has been said before, I think that the crucial question is: will these players skip and then shut down if subjected to such treatment for the time it takes to exhaust the buffer?

I have heard it said that the smaller HDDs get the more resilient they are...I haven't heard of IBM microdrives skipping.

I read in a UK magazine recently that of the 9 ipods owned by staff of said magazine, 4 had had problems.
This, I would imagine, is due to either battery issues or HDD issues.
It seems to me that less tech-savvy owners may not appreciate that HDDs are not a particularly resilient technology, and persistent knocks and bumps whilst spinning may result in reduced lifetime.

Apple does not like to mention skipping on their website for obvious reasons, and thus will not compare the two form factors.

But, if user feedback suggests joggers etc can use the Mini, it will define it's target market more clearly and the reduced size and weight will make it a different, but equally as good value proposition.

To UK posters....if I could get one tommorrow for 250 (137 quid (xe.com) I would buy two, and not come whinging on a message board about it costing the equivalent of 10 pints of lager more....
 
Re: skipping

Originally posted by tgilbey
To UK posters....if I could get one tommorrow for 250 (137 quid (xe.com) I would buy two, and not come whinging on a message board about it costing the equivalent of 10 pints of lager more....
But you're making the mistake of thinking that we will get them for the same price as the US converted to £. We won't. We'll get charged more 🙄
If they were £137 they would be a good deal for us, but they won't be, it WILL NOT HAPPEN. Nothing in Apples product line works like this, neither does ANYTHING else for that matter.
 
Re: skipping

Originally posted by tgilbey
To UK posters....if I could get one tommorrow for 250 (137 quid (xe.com) I would buy two, and not come whinging on a message board about it costing the equivalent of 10 pints of lager more....

I thought whinging was when you complained despite having it good. Which is not the case in the UK nor Europe as regards Apple pricing of the iPod. $250 may be £137 if you look at the exchange rate on xe.com - but that is the whole gist of our complaint. We arent being charged the exchange rate, we pay a premium. For the 15 gig iPod for example we pay $127 more! Go figure.
 
Mini iPod Analysis

1) It's not about the PRICE.

Steve said he's going after the $100-200 high-end MP3 player crowd. This doesn't mean he's going to sell for $100-200 (obviously), but that he hopes to win those buyers over.

Many (not all, many) of these players went for Flash because of two factors: size and joggability. The microdrives and certainly the Cornice drives (if that's what the minipods use) have significantly better shock handling than the 1.8" Toshiba drives the normal iPod uses, and even those aren't overly bad at handling shocks. And, of course, business card size is about the same size as the larger high-end MP3 players.

Giving the two key factors to these consumers, then adding significantly more space (4GB instead of 256MB upgradable to 768MB if you spend a lot more on CF cards), better features (minus the radio players that no one on epinions can seem to get to work unless they're jogging next to a radio tower), and faster writing (a friend has an RCA 256MB unit ... 15 minutes for 64MB to write! Holy sh*t! That's over USB 1.1, but still, that's way below the throughput of USB 1.1 even; a USB 2.0 interface can't speed that up any!)

Finally, throw on a more rugged design overall (no holes on the top to fill with lint or grime or sweat; no nobby control sticks to get stuck or broken; no USB cover which is already halfway torn off after less than ten round-trips to the computer for music refills ...), and a significantly better UI (what, you mean "Prev Song/Next Song" isn't the ultimate in music navigation?).

Even adding $50 to the price of such a unit will snare a significant margin of the non-price-driven crowd. Selling it at the same price as your competitor's 4GB player will obviously steal that competitor's business quite thoroughly.

It is not about the PRICE. It is about providing a usable form factor and killer features and design, and driving the portion of the market which is not price-driven, to Apple. Apple is not going to compete on price alone, ever. Apple is not set up to peddle commodities. Apple is driven by innovation and design, and so will aim to sell to those likewise driven, and convert the rest of you heathens 🙂

If you are buying an MP3 player based primarily on price, Apple is not actively competing for your business. They'd love it if you'd see the light, though 🙂

2) It is not about iPod vs iPod mini.

The iPod is a completely different animal. If you want an iPod, and can live with it's horrendously ungainly size ( 🙂 ), then get an iPod. Apple's not after your business (they already have it -- duh!); they're after the afore-mentioned high-end flash market.

3) Minipod Future

I think that Apple may eventually transition over to the Minipod entirely as a music player. The "classic" iPod may transition up into a larger device, or it may go away entirely; there's just not a whole lot of innovation that can be done on a music-only player ... size bumps are getting beyond the range needed by most mere mortals or their music collections, and I certainly don't see anything "revolutionary" having come down the line recently nor anything in the future. Overall, the larger iPod is nearing the end of the line. But that's 2-3 years out, at least, IMHO.

In the likewise long-term future I see the Minipod getting larger and gaining features more than getting cheaper. Eventually, you'll see a 40GB+ drive in the Minipod form factor.

In the nearer term, the Minipod will retain its current price until and unless Apple needs to lower the price (due to competition). There is doubtless some buffer in the price, and once Apple has a certain segment of the market tied up they may lower the price to get the pseudo-bargain-hunters to bite.

Listen, folks: portability and size reduction always has a price. Size is not a flexible thing; either a device fits where you need to carry it or it doesn't. The minipod is the best damned business-card-sized music player out there, bar none, and it's not any more expensive than the competition.

IMHO, just like the original iPod, people just won't "get it" until they've held one in their hand. Please plan the appropriate Apple Store pilgrimage this Spring.
 
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