Your conclusion does not logically follow. Indeed, Apple 'owns' iTunes and Apple TV. It does not own media being streamed or purchased, however. It very well could be out of Apple's control as to whether the licensing on 4k content made available through iTunes allows for downloading.
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Your conclusion does not logically follow. Indeed, Apple 'owns' iTunes and Apple TV. It does not own media being streamed or purchased, however. It very well could be out of Apple's control as to whether the licensing on 4k content made available through iTunes allows for downloading.
Your quote I replied to made no mention of streaming, just that if you don't have a fast internet connection "you aren't ready for 4k." Which, in fact, is hogwash. We're also talking about not being able to download, which is the actual premise of this article and also in the title BTW.
Yes, the ATV is a streaming device, but you're missing the point I and many on here are trying to make. If you can't download the 4k content to iTunes on your computer, not only can you not play 4k content on your beautiful 5k iMac display, you can't STREAM it to your ATV over Home Sharing. An option which I, and apparently many others in this forum thread, far prefer over streaming from the cloud for several reasons.
All you streaming-only proponents are setting yourselves up for a huge fail, which is what the rest of us are trying to avoid. By streaming-only, you never really "own" anything. All of your purchases are at the mercy of your ISP, the shoddiest of all utilities, and the movie industry, the shadiest of all industries. If you don't have a local copy, you can't watch content you bought when your internet is out/crappy/slow. If you don't have a local copy, the studios can change your rights to view it on a whim, or even the version or content, without your permission or even knowledge.
Hmm. I have an LG OLED55b6p and as far as I'm aware it does not stream YouTube in 4k, unless it was added in a recent update. I could be mistaken...
Too much space???? I have over 12tb of storage I’m good on drive space. Most people have a tb drive or larger to store media.
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Great post
this isn't a discussion about 4k in general. we're talking about the article which discusses 4k streaming. and i already mentioned that people can watch 4k without internet by using blu ray discs which covers people that don't have 4k-inter.
If you need to download the entire 4k video before playing, that's a bad experience. You're far better off getting a bluray player and getting discs delivered to you from dvd.netflix.com.
Steve even specifically mentioned that they learned from the first Apple TV that people "don't want a computer, and they don't want to manage storage" when introducing the Apple TV streaming box. Let Apple take care of the storage. If your internet doesn't allow that, you're better off with blu-ray discs.
If that were true, you could probably short Netflix's stock and make millions. Why don't you go ahead and do that?
What!!!! 7 hours. That’s crazy. I can dl a 108ovie in about 30min
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Then I guess I’m doing it wrong. I have my media server set up and love it. Too each their own I guess.
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So go spend another $100 and get enough space for 100 uhd movies.
Yes, and no Apple TV for me because I cannot download 4K movies on my iMac over night and use home streaming. We are not talking about downloading on the Apple TV itself.
We are not saying no to Apple TV because of no on-device downloads. We are saying no to Apple TV because we cannot use home sharing. Why buy the 4K Apple TV if I cannot stream 4K videos? I would definitely buy one if they allowed me to download the movie on my iMac for a few hours over night and watch on my Apple TV with Home Sharing the next day. The fact that I cannot do that, means I will not be buying this Apple TV.
Neither of these things bothers me, but I can see it being an issue with some.
I currently have FIOS 100/100 and no issues streaming anything. As to Youtube, I can view 4K on my Samsung KS-8500 65", and did so for awhile just to see the beautiful picture, but haven't done so in quite awhile due to content. Mostly travel videos, time lapse stuff, some professional stuff, and people's 4K vacation videos.
However, it would be nice to have if it can be done.
Apple TV 4K is still on my Christmas list.
I currently have FIOS 100/100 and no issues streaming anything. As to Youtube, I can view 4K on my Samsung KS-8500 65", and did so for awhile just to see the beautiful picture, but haven't done so in quite awhile due to content. Mostly travel videos, time lapse stuff, some professional stuff, and people's 4K vacation videos.
However, it would be nice to have if it can be done.
Apple TV 4K is still on my Christmas list.
No, Blu Ray discs are not better. If I want to take my library of 100+ movies with me, I just take my small external hard drive to a different location, that has both a Mac and an Apple TV (brother's house). How do I go about taking 100+ Blu Rays with me?
Just because we need to download in advance, does not mean physical media is the answer.
Streaming is absolutely garbage. Internet infrastructure is sooo sooo horrible it is not even funny anymore. I do not want to be in the middle of movie night and see a pause while the movie buffers because Spectrum is having issues for the millionth time. If it is on my local NAS, there would be no buffering and it would be instant.
"YouTube streams its 4K content using a VP9 video format, a codec the Apple TV does not support. The 4K Apple TV is limited to H.264, HEVC (H.265), and MP4. "
False. 3rd party apps can add their own codecs. VLC is the most obvious example. Google could update the YuoTube app to support VP9.
False. 3rd party apps can add their own codecs. VLC is the most obvious example. Google could update the YuoTube app to support VP9.
It allows for streaming of any media you've added to your iTunes library, whether purchased from iTunes or added via other means (like ripping a DVD and adding that file to iTunes, for example).
Thank you. That will work fine for my household. Put the 1080p on the server and first viewings can be watched in 4K and subsequent viewings can be watched on the projector in 1080p.
Ah, gotcha. So this is strictly an iTunes complaint then, right? Are there other means for one to purchase 4k films for download (like does Vudu allow it)?
1. That experience sucks.
I tried that with an iTunes 1080p movie. I downloaded the m4v onto a flash drive. I brought it to my brother's house. I dragged and dropped it into my brothers itunes (which would take pretty long to do with 100's of 4k hdr videos), but it wouldn't work because of copy protection. So I had to log him out of his iTunes account which screwed up his iCloud music library and log myself in. Then I had to make sure I log myself out before leaving. Terrible experience.
2. That's assuming your brother has a computer and an Apple TV, connected via homesharing, and a spare hard drive.
Same can be said if your brother had a blu ray player (which costs less than an Apple TV and a computer). Process would be pretty easy.
3. You can still carry 100's of 1080p movies, just not 4k. I don't even know if there's at least a 100 4k movies available to purchase on iTunes yet.
4. Carrying 100's of bluray discs is easy. You can grab a disc wallet. No need to carry the boxes with you.
Of course the best option would be streaming. Just need an Apple TV, login, play.
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Just got my 4k apple tv, NO 4k YOUTUBE!!!!! APPLE YOU GOTTA GET ON GOOGLES HEADS ABOUT THIS. YOUTUBE IS PROBABLY THE MOST USED APP ON ANY APPLE TV. STOP PLAYING AROUND, GIVE THEM WHATEVER THEY WANT TO UPDATE THIS APP.
Nope. Anything in your iTunes library you have access to.Whether its home movies, or a dvd rip, or the occasional torrent, you can stream, as long as it’s in your library.