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4K iTunes Content Limited to Streaming Only, No Downloads
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I have been a loyal fanboy for well over a decade, but this is yet another disappointment IMO. Their hands may have been tied, but this isn't where my money is going to go either.
Do other streaming services let you download 4K copies to your local hard drive?
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Umm, what? Did netflix or hulu give you the option to download? lol. What options are you talking about?
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Umm, what? Did netflix or hulu give you the option to download? lol. What options are you talking about?
Dude, you live in a tiny little bubble. Speak for yourself.
Also, WTF does your internet speed have to do with being "ready" for 4k? Ludicrous. One thing has nothing to do with the other. That's like me telling you you're not ready for a Ferrari because you live on a two lane road.
[doublepost=1506089933][/doublepost]Well, I thought this was the time to upgrade my ATV 2s & 3s... guess I was wrong.
Instead, it looks like it's time to strip the DRM off my iTunes purchases, stop buying from iTunes, rip everything from here on out, and switch to Plex for good. Bummer. :/
Good. We wouldn’t want you asking why you got 64GB model that is only good for holding Apps and not movies or TV shows. Phew.
Apple is to blame. They don't support the VP9 codec that YouTube uses for its 4K content. Other TV and streaming device manufacturers have added VP9 support because they know their customers demand YouTube 4K content. Apple has so far failed to do the same, ignoring what their customers want.
Apple won't add VP9 support. Google won't encode separate HEVC versions of their YouTube 4K content in addition to VP9. Stalemate.
Why should Google spend any time/money updating the YouTube app for Apple TV when Apple does not support VP9? Any updated App could still only support HD and not 4K.
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128GB would hold about 4-5 h.265 movies but that's not the point. ATV doesn't really store content except for apps. It's a streaming box. iTunes does store all downloaded content but Apple seems to be restricting that to 1080p. It could be temporary OS X limitation due to lack of full h.265 support until High Sierra but it's more likely due to studios afraid of piracy.
Nope. Entirely false. What if I want to watch a 4K video 5 times? Downloading it results in 1x 10GB (assuming that is the max for any 4K content). Streaming it 5 times results in 5x 10GB or 50GB of data in one month.
I just come to realize that when I am watching(downloading) a 4K movie, the rest of the family probably won't be able to use the internet
I don’t know what the fuss is about. You couldn’t download movies on the Apple TV before why is it a huge issue now that you can’t download the 4K version? It has nothing to do with the Apple TV
I don’t know what the fuss is about. You couldn’t download movies on the Apple TV before, why is it a huge issue now that you can’t download the 4K version? It has nothing to do with the Apple TV 4K, maybe your gripe is with ITunes in general not allowing downloads, again, this is probably due to the low price of the 4K movie. For me, I love the fact that my previous movies got upgraded to 4K and that I can rent/Buy movies in 4K. Usually renting from Redbox etc is only the 1080 copy.
Nothing like a Mac mini with standalone downloaded movies inside connected to a display or TV.
People are still not getting this. We are not talking about downloading on the Apple TV directly. We are talking about downloading on a Mac and using Home Sharing.
So it's Apple's fault they don't support Googles silly codec? Uhh, no.
Again, Google never bothered to update their ATV4 app. Ever.
Apple is not just streaming service, it allow you to download stuff. And previous statement was that apple prevent downloading of 4K content to guard us stupid users from management of disk space.
Ok maybe you are not getting it. I was responding to the other persons comment about stating “no Apple TV for me” because he couldn’t download the 4K movie. The latter you speak about is an iTunes issue.
They need to turn the AppleTV into some form of central media hub with a large hard drive so you can download iTunes video content to it and then stream it to your iPhone, iPad, TV, etc. Preferably a RAID system with 2 hard drives just in case one hard drive corrupts. They could easily add say 2x8GB hard drives for a low price. The current system of downloading and storing iTunes video content on your Mac/PC is out of date. My iTunes library is currently spread over my Mac hard drive plus 2 external hard drives which is a nightmare to administer.
You still don't get it. Updating the App won't add the ability to stream 4K VP9 content from YouTube. Google would have to encode all of their existing VP9 content stored on their servers to another format that the Apple TV supports. They are not going to do that. Google purchased the format that VP9 is based upon when they bought out On2 Technologies in 2010. Google then made VP9 royalty free so it would cost Apple nothing in licensing to implement VP9. If/when Apple adds support for VP9 you will have a reason to complain if the YouTube App does not get updated. Apple's Safari browser does not support YouTube VP9 content either; is that Google's fault as well?
At 1080 resolution it only takes me 7 hours to download a movie. 4k should only add a few more minutes to that time, right?
Ugh. Good thing to know. I guess there's no point for me buying one at this time then, because I don't stream movies I buy from Apple, I download them to my media server (iTunes on a Mac mini) and then use my ATV4 to play them across my local network, so I don't have to pull stuff across the internet all the time. If they won't allow 4K downloads, then there is no point (for me) in buying ATV 4K. Oh well.
yes, it's a streaming box. it shouldn't need a separate computer that's on 24/7 to download/cache your 4k movies.
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That is the worst analogy I've ever heard. It doesn't even attack my point well...That's like me telling you you're not ready for a Ferrari because you live on a two lane road.
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internet speeds has everything to do with "4k streaming". you dont need an internet service for "4k" since you can easily pick up blu ray discs as I mentioned in previous posts, but we're talking about 4k streaming (as discussed in the article which says 4k is limited to streaming.)
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What percentage of devices support the YouTube codec (this is not a rhetorical question, I have no idea).
We do most of our 4k streaming on our television apps--which supports DV and HDR10, but does not support 4k on YouTube. I'm not sure that my XBone does, either.
[doublepost=1506102968][/doublepost]I think one should certainly have the option to download any purchased movie, but this personally won't affect our decision (if I'm buying a movie I almost always want some physical medium, and as of yet I don't own more than a handful of 4k blu-rays because the price is ridiculous). We only rent from iTunes.
Everyone saying "you don't get it, you could never download a movie to an ATV4" are missing the point either unintentionally or deliberately.
In days of yore you could download a movie to your laptop or desktop then use your ATV, go to computer, then select and watch that movie. Since the whole movie was already on your computer you didn't have to worry that your internet speed was crap. It may have taken 6 or 7 hours to download but once done you could just play it.
Apple happens to own both iTunes and Apple TV. The fact that you USE TO be able to download to a computer and watch, using your computer, iTunes and Apple TV and now you can't does mean it's Apples fault, whether the functionality was removed from iTunes, ATV or both.
Apple needs to send some senior execs and technical staff to live for a month someplace where their download speed is 5Mb or less, and upload speeds are 700 Kb. Then have them try to watch movies, or back up their phone or just their photos to the cloud.
In days of yore you could download a movie to your laptop or desktop then use your ATV, go to computer, then select and watch that movie. Since the whole movie was already on your computer you didn't have to worry that your internet speed was crap. It may have taken 6 or 7 hours to download but once done you could just play it.
Apple happens to own both iTunes and Apple TV. The fact that you USE TO be able to download to a computer and watch, using your computer, iTunes and Apple TV and now you can't does mean it's Apples fault, whether the functionality was removed from iTunes, ATV or both.
Apple needs to send some senior execs and technical staff to live for a month someplace where their download speed is 5Mb or less, and upload speeds are 700 Kb. Then have them try to watch movies, or back up their phone or just their photos to the cloud.