5 computer updates coming soon?

[dongmin]

You're right, the 12" as Powerbook will be history, we will see 13", 15" & 17" models, 12" & 14" will stay as iBooks, giving wide-screen format to the pro-line and 4:3 for the average joe... Do not forget me...

Is this wishful thinking, or an actual claim to fact? We MAY see a 13" PB but not for a while.

If these product numbers are to be believed, the next new machines will be:

15" PowerBook ("Powerbook 7,1")
17" PowerBook ("Powerbook 7,2")
iMac G5 ("Powermac 8,1")
Power Mac G5 using the rumored PPC 975 ("PowerMac 9,1")

 

[AmigoMac]

Is this wishful thinking, or an actual claim to fact? We MAY see a 13" PB but not for a while.

If these product numbers are to be believed, the next new machines will be:

15" PowerBook ("Powerbook 7,1")
17" PowerBook ("Powerbook 7,2")
iMac G5 ("Powermac 8,1")
Power Mac G5 using the rumored PPC 975 ("PowerMac 9,1")

Ok... maybe it was pretty early but 13" will come with the G5 ... and yes, there will be a new rev. before the G5 comes...I'm sure I'll get the rev. a but only with a nice graphic card and nice HD, just for Tiger CoreImage/Corevideo it will be worth the money... ohh Spotlight I haven't forgotten you...

 

[dongmin]

Ok... maybe it was pretty early but 13" will come with the G5 ... and yes, there will be a new rev. before the G5 comes...I'm sure I'll get the rev. a but only with a nice graphic card and nice HD, just for Tiger CoreImage/Corevideo it will be worth the money... ohh Spotlight I haven't forgotten you...

Another G4 revision? I'm doubtful that Apple would introduce a new chipset (as indicated by the 7,1 and 7,2) before they introduce the G5.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

I'd be surprised if they came out with another G5 Power Mac before the end of the year - but hey, you never know, this is all speculation anyway.

D

 

[quagmire]

I agree with Mr.Anderson(which I Agent Smith hates to do ) that Powermac 9,1 is most likely not a Pmac G5 update. I figure it will be a cube resurrection or just a headless desktop.

 

[Sun Baked]

I agree with Mr.Anderson(which I Agent Smith hates to do ) that Powermac 9,1 is most likely not a Pmac G5 update. I figure it will be a cube resurrection or just a headless desktop.

A bit butt here

Those machine would either make the list as...

PowerMac7,4 Cube2/Headless machine -- possibility 1 prosumer widget
PowerMac8,2 Cube2/Headless machine -- possibility 2 consumer widget

A PowerMac9,1 indicate a NEW chipset, just like the PowerMac8,1 indicates the introduction of the U3-Lite.

So the PowerMac9,1 would need to show up when DDR2 and PCI-Express show up -- since they would require a new UniNorth Memory Controller.

PCI-X 2.0 is already available from AMD with their 8132 HT PCI-X 2.0 Tunnel and add (200/266 MHz PCI) -- but alas this doesn't require a new Memory Controller.

It's also worth noting that we didn't get a bump with the revised U3H (faster HT, and ECC) or with the revised KeyLargo2 (added PCI slot support).

So a new Memory Controller should have some spiffy new feature.

 

[quagmire]

A bit butt here

Those machine would either make the list as...

PowerMac7,4 Cube2/Headless machine -- possibility 1 prosumer widget
PowerMac8,2 Cube2/Headless machine -- possibility 2 consumer widget

A PowerMac9,1 indicate a NEW chipset, just like the PowerMac8,1 indicates the introduction of the U3-Lite.

So the PowerMac9,1 would need to show up when DDR2 and PCI-Express show up -- since they would require a new UniNorth Memory Controller.

PCI-X 2.0 is already available from AMD with their 8132 HT PCI-X 2.0 Tunnel and add (200/266 MHz PCI) -- but alas this doesn't require a new Memory Controller.

It's also worth noting that we didn't get a bump with the revised U3H (faster HT, and ECC) or with the revised KeyLargo2 (added PCI slot support).

So a new Memory Controller should have some spiffy new feature.

So you are saying we are going to see the G6 before tiger?

 

[Sun Baked]

So you are saying we are going to see the G6 before tiger?

I said, "PowerMac9,1 New PowerMac Chipset -- DDR2, PCI-Express, etc. possible"

New Memory Controller doesn't mean new processor, though putting the Power5-UL (GRUL) on the current memory controller would be such a waste.

DDR2 memory is there in the market in several flavors, and so are PCI-Express video cards -- and there is no longer the pesky ADC problem.

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The speculation was that the 90nm 970FX processor were supposed to hit at the beginning of the year, with the new Power5-UL hitting the 3.0GHz mark about now.

But things seem to have slid 6-7 months.

Of course this slide doesn't mean the Power5-UL won't show up soon, and possibly before Tiger.

Though we would gain very little from SMT until Tiger shipped.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

Though we would gain very little from SMT until Tiger shipped.

But knowing your machine would be more compatible with the future of Apple's OS and more likely a little more longevity.....

Do you really think they'd manage this for MWSF 2005?

D

 

[quagmire]

Duh. Why didn't I think of this earlier. Powermac 9,1 ia a dual core G5. Stupid Quag stupid.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

Duh. Why didn't I think of this earlier. Powermac 9,1 ia a dual core G5. Stupid Quag stupid.

but these would be in the near future? I don't see that as likely, especially with the recent release of the 2.5 GHz

It would really piss people off - waiting months for their dual 2.5 only to see a quad 3.0 show up a couple months later....

D

 

[quagmire]

but these would be in the near future? I don't see that as likely, especially with the recent release of the 2.5 GHz

It would really piss people off - waiting months for their dual 2.5 only to see a quad 3.0 show up a couple months later....

D

But, I am thinking about in MCSF in January. I am sure 10.3.5 will still be around. But, then again I could be wrong and just have sc dp 3.0 Ghz G5 at paris.

 

[dongmin]

A bit butt here

Those machine would either make the list as...

PowerMac7,4 Cube2/Headless machine -- possibility 1 prosumer widget
PowerMac8,2 Cube2/Headless machine -- possibility 2 consumer widget

A PowerMac9,1 indicate a NEW chipset, just like the PowerMac8,1 indicates the introduction of the U3-Lite.

So the PowerMac9,1 would need to show up when DDR2 and PCI-Express show up -- since they would require a new UniNorth Memory Controller.

I wholeheartedly DISAGREE. When the Cube came out in 2000, it shared the same CPU, memory, and bus as the G4 Towers that came out at the same time. And yet, it got a whole new designation, probably because of the the radically different form factor and some features missing, like PCI. The more I think about, I think we will see a new G5 form factor, in addition to the Tower and iMac.

The PowerMac 9,1 is a total wildcard. It'll surprise everybody. Apple's gonna do something to hype up the 25-year anniversary. A new Power Mac, however loaded with new features, is not gonna wow the media and public like a brand-spanking-new iMac or Cube. Be prepared for a major surprise.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

I've been expecting the new PowerBooks to use the e600. This seems to be further confirmation

Why is this further confirmation ? I don't understand !

Why is anybody expecting powerbooks at all ? I don't see new ones before WWDC 2005 - and then the G5 comes out.

I believe we see new iBooks - which would be great as well.

 

[ibook_g4_user]

But, I am thinking about in MCSF in January. I am sure 10.3.5 will still be around. But, then again I could be wrong and just have sc dp 3.0 Ghz G5 at paris.

They may release it in Januari, but then u have to wait to June before they actually ships

 

[CmdrLaForge]

I think we see new G5 powerbooks at WWDC 2005 it ships in March or April
new iBooks this year October/November with new design. Most likely colored like the iPod mini and the new iMac G5
iMac G5 announced this year August 29th
new Powermacs - quite a while.

 

[sparky76]

9,1 could well be dual-core chips. IBM has more experience of dual-core chips than almost any other manufacturer Didn't I read that some of the Power chips had already been produced (maybe as test quantities) as dual-core?
If so, they are well-placed to move rapidly to production. This may be their plan, to make more efficient use of 300mm wafers. Effectively quad 3GHz. Mmmm

 

[Mr. Anderson]

Effectively quad 3GHz. Mmmm

it would be really nice to know if this is actually going to happen, but I think it might be just some wishful thinking.

although, do they update the OS for machines they're working on in R&D? It really doesn't seem likely, so this 9,1 machine will have to show up eventually. But why would they put it in the OS so many months before its going to be available?

D

 

[quagmire]

Why is this further confirmation ? I don't understand !

Why is anybody expecting powerbooks at all ? I don't see new ones before WWDC 2005 - and then the G5 comes out.

I believe we see new iBooks - which would be great as well.

Let see if you read the beginning of this thread you would of seen computer number. Just to recap Powerbook 7,1 and 7,2 and a Powermac 9,1 were all computer numbers that don't exist. Those numbers were found in the 10.3.5 update. So that tells us we are going to see 3 new computers while this update remains in computers(intill 10.3.6 comes out).

I heard at ai(appleinsider) and forgot the thread though that the e600 was not intended for apple to use.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

9,1 could well be dual-core chips. IBM has more experience of dual-core chips than almost any other manufacturer Didn't I read that some of the Power chips had already been produced (maybe as test quantities) as dual-core?
If so, they are well-placed to move rapidly to production. This may be their plan, to make more efficient use of 300mm wafers. Effectively quad 3GHz. Mmmm

Absolutly - you are right. I forgot about the dual chips. But I think dual dual is just wishful thinking. I guess it will be one dual chip per 9.x Powermac.

my 2 cents

 

[Squire]

I heard at ai(appleinsider) and forgot the thread though that the e600 was not intended for apple to use.

Not intended for Apple to use or Apple doesn't intend to use it? I think you mean the latter because, as I understand it, it can pop right in where the G4 currently is.

Squire

 

[quagmire]

Not intended for Apple to use or Apple doesn't intend to use it? I think you mean the latter because, as I understand it, it can pop right in where the G4 currently is.

Squire

Not intended for apple to use. I could be wrong I don't know. The article was a interview of someone high up in freescale.(in french) What is the e600 intended to due for freescale? The only customer I see currently for freescale is apple. Unless they are not telling us of another customer.

 

[dongmin]

Not intended for Apple to use or Apple doesn't intend to use it? I think you mean the latter because, as I understand it, it can pop right in where the G4 currently is.

Squire

It's pin-compatible. But then if all you're doing is swapping the CPU, then it's pointless. What's needed more than anything with the G4 is to upgrade the bus which would mean a redesign of the motherboard.

 

[quagmire]

It's pin-compatible. But then if all you're doing is swapping the CPU, then it's pointless. What's needed more than anything with the G4 is to upgrade the bus which would mean a redesign of the motherboard.

Yes, the fsb is the major improvement needed. I think that was more reasoning why apple dumped Moto for the G5. If there is going to be another G4 rev to the pbooks/ibooks I say it will be made by IBM. Do we know the fsb for the e600 if it does find its why into apple products? That 2.0 Ghz G4 rumor in pbooks the G4 is made by IBM not moto. Who could think Moto could do a 500 Mhz increase in one update?

 

[EGT]

Hmmm this is very interesting indeed. Nice find.
I don't like dwelling in on what apple plans for the future, its too scary, they are going make me go bankrupt!! ... but the thought of a new powerbook ...


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