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EU mandates all to be USB-C so why keeping such an old port around?
Wrong, you are confusing EU ruling on phone ports with PC ports, LOL. *iPhones only have one port!*

The EU law was introduced to specifically target Apple's iPhones and good on them for doing it, Congress are pissweak when it comes to antitrust action on the US tech giants)
 
Just think: the apparent reason for this "shrinkage" is empty space inside the existing design. Imagine if they did what many Mac Mini-like PC Makers do and filled that space with a couple of m.2 slots. Then, one could add upwards of maybe 16TB of INTERNAL storage at market competitive prices vs. 3X-5X market rates and limited to up to 8TB only from Apple.

This "smallest & lightest" Mac ever is a moment in time, "ooooooooh, ahhhhhhhhh" thing... like getting a new tattoo. Once your friends have seen it ONCE and did their "ooooooooooh, ahhhhhhhh", we just live with it thereafter. In this case, Mini becomes Micro but then the cables & storage to add some storage will likely end up taking more desk space than whatever is being saved by going to Micro size. How cute*!!!

If I was interested in a new Mini, I'd much prefer keeping the existing design and adding a few m.2 slots in the freed-up space than shrinking it for the one-time effect of "new form factor" recognition. Tangible, long-term consumer utility over "gee whiz- look how small it is!" one time. But that's just me. Those who think it's fantastic, good for you.

*except for all that surrounding clutter & cables
THere's no way the corporate giant Apple would consider what you are proposing. THey're all about fear-forcing users into buying more RAM and SSD at the time of purchase at Apple's predatory pricing level for RAM and SSD memory. Or selling their initial purchase and buying again when they realise 8 GB of RAM and 250 GB of SSD is jack **** and no use to professional users.
 
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Why is a base RAM increase worth getting excited about when you could already get a Mac mini with 16GB RAM?
possibly the base models are the only model where the Apple predatory pricing isn't applied so they can say "starting from US$600 and available this November". I paid for 16 GB and paid way over the market rates. Apple would be buy DRAM cheaper than any corporation on earth given the numbers they do. Yet their pricing is the highest on Earth b/c they are able to exploit monopoly powers within the Mac and iOS "ecosystems". Apple go out of their way to obstruct 3rd party repairers and suppliers of upgrade commentary like DRAM and SSD memory.
 
If this one conked today, I replace it with the same immediately... even if I could get an ASD for $1.
I've owned many Dell monitors. And still use them for my daily Macs. the only thing that annoys me is they generally don't last longer than 3 years (I haven't had one last 4 years, as soon as out of warranty they pack up on me) and the ports are tucked away facing downwards in a way that makes inserting cables are constant source of frustration for me. I paid for extra warranty on the lsat three I bought and still get annoyed with the cables being almost impossible to insert at times, short of flipping the monitor on its face on the desk and being able t see the ports directly.
 
Who decided that Mac Mini is a desktop computer?

Some use it as a server - in my case, I’d use it as a portable music server, and the smaller size would be great for me. Some would strap it to the back of a TV, or a monitor (I’ve seen people specifically wish for that).
for one thing it's what Apple markets mini as. Sure servers, but 1% of sales. Music server, much cheaper options, Raspberry Pi connected to you local network or an AppleTV if you want to stream movies etc outside the Apple DRM.

Other than that, calling this an iPad without a screen is ridiculous. Does it run iPad OS? No. Many people are very happy with their Apple Silicon MacBook Pro’s, and this is closer to that without a screen, than an iPad. A 16GB M4 Mac Mini is a serious computer.
That's what Apple engineers are reportedly calling it! On account of the small motherboard I expect. I have a 16 GB M2 Mini and I don't think 16 GB is serious, I'm constantly hitting RAM swap slow downs whenever I have a browser open and a few apps. Not as unbearable as my M1 with 8 GB which was super frustrating but it reminds me of the old System 7 days on the early Macs before SJ was sent packing from Apple.
 
There's a dongle for that!

I've got a feeling that once the new Mac Mini rolls out there's going to 'be a dongle' for a LOT of things.

P.S.: I, too, am using an iMac and am considering a switch to an M4Pro Mac Mini. The replacement monitor I pick might not have speakers, but I've got a set of (would you believe it? Logitech!) speakers and I'd like to continue to use them.
Ok thanks! I had the lightening to earphone jack dongle (that sounds vaguely dirty somehow) but am happy with bluetooth now. Still not sure about that for my possible Mac Mini.
 
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Wrong, you are confusing EU ruling on phone ports with PC ports, LOL. *iPhones only have one port!*

The EU law was introduced to specifically target Apple's iPhones and good on them for doing it, Congress are pissweak when it comes to antitrust action on the US tech giants)
Not wrong. I’ve clarified it already. Anyway, let’s kill usb an and move on. Sooner the better
 
possibly the base models are the only model where the Apple predatory pricing isn't applied so they can say "starting from US$600 and available this November". I paid for 16 GB and paid way over the market rates. Apple would be buy DRAM cheaper than any corporation on earth given the numbers they do. Yet their pricing is the highest on Earth b/c they are able to exploit monopoly powers within the Mac and iOS "ecosystems". Apple go out of their way to obstruct 3rd party repairers and suppliers of upgrade commentary like DRAM and SSD memory.

Do you really mean "predatory pricing" here?? Predatory pricing is when a company temporarily sells a product at a very low price, perhaps below cost, to try to drive competitors out of a market in order to maintain or increase dominance.
 
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I wish there was an apple remote included or IR built in so that we can use this as an Apple TV. Would love to have this connected to my TV and use it as a media player and emulator to play games on.
 
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I wish there was an apple remote included or IR built in so that we can use this as an Apple TV. Would love to have this connected to my TV and use it as a media player and emulator to play games on.

This! ^^

It would make me an instant buyer for one, as I don't really like the restrictions of tvOS and would much prefer to have a Mac Mini that could be an Apple TV ... perhaps with an App for the ATV interface... ala "Front Row" all over again
 
OP was correct, sure there are cases for "micro" sized computing decides, but if it comes at the cost of throttling, something we've learned to live without since the release of the M-series chips (SoCs) then the size reduction will have been at a cost many mini buyers are unwilling to pay.
Reducing the case size isn't going to cause throttling. There's no reason for it to be as big as it has been all these years, other than the size of DVDs and Apple's laziness.
 
I do. My entire family does. My son uses his for work from home. The entire school where I sub uses desktop computers. Your statement is a little too broad.
You clearly missed that I put it in quotes. I am well aware that users exist. I was replying to an argument that nobody likes small computers, which is just as false as saying nobody uses desktops. Both exist, but as a minority.
 
How do you know if your AppleTV is throttling or not?
I don't. I just know that mine never overheats. Nor do I ever find it slow. And it seamlessly upgrades HD to 4K DolbyVision, does a pretty good job of it, and never gets warm.

As far as I know, all hardware monitors the temperature and throttles down when it gets hot. But nothing I have ever thrown at the AppleTV has ever caused me to think it is throttling.
 
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This! ^^

It would make me an instant buyer for one, as I don't really like the restrictions of tvOS and would much prefer to have a Mac Mini that could be an Apple TV ... perhaps with an App for the ATV interface... ala "Front Row" all over again
While, it doesn’t exist yet. There are other potential solutions for remote control. For example, my old Western Digital WebTV can Be controlled using an app on my iPhone over Wi-Fi as long as the web TV and my iPhone are using the same network. I believe it should be possible to control a Mac mini hooked up to your TV in a similar fashion.
 
No, because the gap between the mini and the Studio is too large.

The Mac mini M2 Pro was a decent step towards something in-between entry-level and mid/high-end.

Apple is infamous for making the low-end and mid-tier products too low value and performance that those who just need a little more than budget/mid-tier are forced to go "Pro" even if their needs are not "Pro" but just more than budget/mid-tier.

Yes, that's Apple's business model, forcing the consumer up the value/$ ladder and offering peanuts for anyone who can't/won't pay up.

But the need for something between the Studio and mini is there, regardless of whether one doesn't want to or cannot pay for a Mac Studio or Mac Pro.
Agree wholeheartedly. Factor in that those who want a larger display most probably want something a little more serious than an iPad in a box, it does feel as though Apple is forcing people who want a larger screen to start with a Studio rather than a mini.
 
I did not miss the quotes. I have no idea what you are trying to infer by using quotes. All I know is that you made an overly broad and incorrect statement.
Apologies for being rude. Let me try to explain: The person I was replying to claimed “no one” wants a tiny computer. This is clearly false, some do. I was using the quotes to underline that when you say “no one wants…”, you actually mean a small amount of people, not “no one”. And relatively, desktop users is also a small amount, compared to laptop users. So if you want to argue that Apple should not care for minority groups, they shouldn’t make desktops in the first place.

The reason I brushed you off was that you came in from the left and misunderstood the context, and yes I could have done that without the snarkiness.
 
relatively, desktop users is also a small amount, compared to laptop users
My experience shows otherwise. Most of the users I know all use desktop computers when at their home location. Probably less than 10% use laptops full time. The only real exception are the kids in high school with their Chromebooks. And that is questionable considering how limited, poorly configured, minimal configuration, those are barely useful for anything behind high school stuff.

I have both a laptop that can connect to my 23" monitor and a desktop that connects to two monitors. I mostly use the desktop at home. The laptop is only for travel. Syncing issues with files that was an issue years ago is moot with the cloud services.

My son works from home two days a week. He has a high powered company laptop and his own desktop. He rarely uses the laptop and prefers the desktop. There is a better keyboard on the desktop, a better mouse, and more resources, than what is found on the laptop.

In my last job the people had a choice of a laptop or small desktop system. The overwhelming choice was the desktop system. People just did not like the laptops, even with an external keyboard, mouse and display.

In a company of largely road workers the use of a laptop over a desktop would be significant. But I think, in my largely unscientific view, that desktops are used more than laptops.
So if you want to argue that Apple should not care for minority groups, they shouldn’t make desktops in the first place.
No, I don't want argue over anything. I will discuss. The fact that Apple provides both is, in my opinion, a wise move. Giving people the choice to get what they want. Today I don't think either type of user is a minority. I see people walking out of the Apple Store with iMac systems. Probably as many as laptops. But as much as iPhones and iPads.

I have both devices, desktop and laptop, I prefer the desktop when home. The laptop obviously when traveling. Maybe it's my old school ways having grown up with desktops and laptops and at one time lugged a Compaq luggable suitcase. Tote that puppy through Love Field when it is 110F and the A/C is busted and anyone would curse portable computers.

Times are changing that is for certain. In 2, 4, 6 years your observation of the majority of users being on laptops may be spot on. With technology progress as it is I wouldn't bet $1.00 against your assertion in those 2, 4, or 6 six years.

Apologies for being rude
No problem, thanks. A smiley face would have made all the difference. :)
 
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My experience shows otherwise. Most of the users I know all use desktop computers when at their home location. Probably less than 10% use laptops full time. The only real exception are the kids in high school with their Chromebooks. And that is questionable considering how limited, poorly configured, minimal configuration, those are barely useful for anything behind high school stuff.

According to CIRP estimates (article link below), about 90% of U.S. Mac sales in 2023 were laptops. Not sure about other countries or global percentages.

 
My experience shows otherwise.
Apple's numbers are public, and show laptops being 90% of the sales. Whatever your experience is, desktop users is a minority.
No problem, thanks. A smiley face would have made all the difference. :)
Noted :) Although my English is pretty good, it's not my first language and sometimes what happens in my head is different than what ends up on paper.
 
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Apple's numbers are public, and show laptops being 90% of the sales. Whatever your experience is, desktop users is a minority.
Well, OK. I was not restricting my observations to just Apple products. Of all the people I know who have purchased computers in the last two years less than half have been laptops. Most have been all-in-one systems. They all wanted larger screens than a laptop provides.

Cannot refute numbers.
my English is pretty good, it's not my first language
Impressive, hard to tell.
 
Apple's numbers are public, and show laptops being 90% of the sales. Whatever your experience is, desktop users is a minority.

Noted :) Although my English is pretty good, it's not my first language and sometimes what happens in my head is different than what ends up on paper.
Your English is very good, as for the part in bold, it happens to all of us. Good discussion over latest posts.
 
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Well, OK. I was not restricting my observations to just Apple products. Of all the people I know who have purchased computers in the last two years less than half have been laptops. Most have been all-in-one systems. They all wanted larger screens than a laptop provides.

Cannot refute numbers.
It's closer, but still no-contest. "Detachable tablets" is outselling desktops. The estimates I can find show desktops being around 20%, and declining. I'm guessing a relatively high amount of the desktop numbers are gaming PC's, where Apple doesn't compete so that may explain why Apple is even more skewed towards laptops.

I think your perception is highly skewed by small sample size.

I don't know anyone who uses or have ever used a non-Apple all-in-one desktop PC (and yes I have more than two friends :cool: )
 
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