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Me think thou dost protest too much? Are you just trying to make the line you'll be waiting in just a little shorter? :)

Seriously though, I think that some of the things you state are hopes rather than anything you can count on.

I think there will be shortages. There will always be a better phone just around the corner and it's just a wee bit early to pass judgment on a phone that hasn't been released yet. Looks cool is some times a giant leap from actually being cool. Never bought a game or seen a movie that looked good from the trailer?
 
If any of you haven't noticed, this article is probably the only "wait on the 3G iPhone" articles that doesn't contain false information (unlike the others which say stuff like "MobileMe's required" or "the data plan is the reason why it's bad", etc.).

This article is slightly unbiased as in the first two points, he writes that buyers should not bother camping out because there's no need to spend so much effort (unless you really want to).

The third point just simply repeats what everyone keeps asking (on Yahoo! Answers that is...I'm bogged down by constant repeating of answers that I simply copy and paste the same thing) which is "where's the 32 GB?" He's just saying it might release later.

Fourth point is a slight opinion. Sure, 3G and GPS is nice...but come on! MobileMe, AppStore, Cisco, Exchange, WPA2...don't tell me that 3G and GPS can compare to those!

Fifth point...well, this one he's not really saying "You should get it." He's merely offering another choice (cause another popular question on Y!A is "what's a good alternative to the iPhone" or "what other phones are like the iPhone"). Course the iPhone will still own in terms of software (it just has better power).

But honestly, load of crap? It's probably the best "holding off" article I've seen on the net. Just remember that YouTube video on "hidden costs" or whatever. Complete ignorance.
 
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1. Shortages are unlikely

O2 have run out already with the ones they made available for pre-order, so #1 is a bust from where I'm standing.

I didn't bother reading the rest cause this was dead wrong right there. :D

Reasons to hold off until later...

1. Why get involved in the whole dog and pony show? Give it a few weeks (like any other Apple product) and availability will be sorted out.

2. Wait to see if Apple have cut corners on components. If the screen is not up to snuff then no point in getting it - especially if you have the 2G model.

3. Give the Ap Store time to bed in. With Apple opening the doors to more than the 4,000-odd developers who participated in the beta there should be a flood of new apps two or three months in as everyone else gets their own apps up there.

4. Let the first wave of clowns root out any issues over the first couple of months. Standard Op Procedure for an Apple product.

5. What's the rush? If you need a phone you probably have one and can wait a few weeks (or even until next year - you know Apple will bring out a 32GB model soon). If you have an iPhone then the 3G brings little new to the table really - but you are probably in an iPhone-specific contract :D so switching to another phone is not such a simple option.
 
The HTC Touch Diamond? (Insert 5 minutes of uncontrollable laughter)

These "iPhone killers" are a joke. The only thing they are killing is the iPhone's competition.

The thing looks like some stretched out, ugly arse Zune.

Plus, Winblows Mobile. No thanks.
 
Ummm Isn't HTC just a touchscreen. Like Uncle Mossy says, its no smarter than your generic ATM touchscreen or store touchscreen pay device. iPhone has MULTI-TOUCH screen.
 
The people behind the touch diamond better have figured out how to write a killer OS in less than a year.

Try again, it's windows mobile version 6 and it's been around a heck of a lot longer than a year.
 
Try again, it's windows mobile version 6 and it's been around a heck of a lot longer than a year.

From my experience WM6 is a long way from a "killer OS" no matter how long it's been around. As an example, on the WM6 device I have for work the phone stack crashes intermittently (but regularly) with no visible sign to the user - incoming calls just go to voicemail and it never rings. I'd have thought receiving calls was a bit of a core OS feature, wouldn't you?
 
I agree with the article, although haven't used that Diamond phone (and can't see it getting a fair, unbiased review around this site); I'm holding out for the PAYG iPhone anyway, but points 1-4 seem pretty valid from where I'm sitting.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_vKsxOT3Lw
Theere is some nice stuff from the uI, a lot of flash stuff, and something like the email view - annoyingly flashy - (|(about 25 seconds in). Who wants to read a document through an angled image of an envelope? Hopefully you can change this configuration, but it's shown on a lot of the demo videos.

The problem with this thread, is that you could make 5 reasons to HOLD off on any phone. What we need is a decent review, and that's coming roughly Thursday from Mossberg for example. The iPhone 3G will have unboxen photos, tear downs, and reviews faster than you can say "there's no point waiting all my life for a phone that will get updated in a few months anyway..."

The Diamond has had a performance fix, (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/06/htc_touch_diamond_handson_update-2.html) which has improved on the initial laginess.

You've got to give it to HTC for the 640 x 480 on a 2.8-inches screen.
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/06/08/htc-touch-diamond-hands-on-up-close-and-personal-this-time/

As one review said:

HTC has somehow managed to take a Microsoft device and make it everything but - a good thing in our mind.

(Microsoft's prior response to the iPhone?
It's a great music phone, and I'm sure it will be fantastic and have an interesting user interface...However, it's a closed device that you cannot install applications on, and there's no support for Office documents. If you're an enterprise and want to roll out line of business applications, it's just not an option. Even using it as a heavy messaging device will be a challenge.
Microsoft's Asia-Pacific head of smartphone strategy Chris Sorenson

HTC's done a tremendous job of hiding Windows Mobile 6.1's antiquated user interface, so we can put that little concern aside; what's more, it's hard to argue with the massive library of third-party software available for the platform, and for those worried about keeping their IT department happy, it's about as enterprise-friendly as they come. Physically, it's beautiful, liable to turn as many heads as any smartphone on the market today. Tell you what, HTC, we'll make you a deal: throw in 3G for both AT&T and T-Mobile, tweak the feel of the screen, and you have yourself a customer.

Ain't no Apple iPhone though ;)


Peter Chou's vision of TouchFLO: Trying to offer a very intuitive, simple experience, but giving a much more colourful, much more 3D animated kind of experience. The Diamond is about one hand, one touch.

Discounting
1. Shortages are unlikely
2. Chaos on Day One

3. 32GB iPhone 3G on the horizon
The current Diamond has 4 GB internal. And lacks an external memory card slot for upgradability.

4. Best new iPhone features are coming to the original iPhone
Except A-GPS, which you'll need an accessory/add-on for.
And lack of 3G which isn't really upgradable with an add-on.
And upgraded speaker/mic quality
And potentially - an upgraded front cam (This is low probability now, but it's still possible - iPhone 3G rivals will have 8Mpxels by the end of the year!)

5. The HTC Touch Diamond
To be honest, if I was going to be envious of an upcoming phone, it would be Motorola's NVIDIA tegra handset in the works. Now *that* has graphic power.
 
Well, some of the points there are speculation, it makes a good point about the existing iPhone (if you have one) having access to the iPhone 2.0 update, but the part about the HTC product misses the point with the iPhone entirely.

Windows Mobile is a fine enough mobile platform - but the software available for it is largely invisible to consumers, poor quality and expensive for what it is. Not so with the iPhone - Apple have used the hype surrounding the iPhone to help foster a developer community, and plenty of developers (including high-profile businesses) have announced software or serious plans for software for the iPhone.

The iPhone is more than just another handset with flashy design and a nice interface - it's a software platform, and it will get more useful over time. The same can't be said of Windows Mobile save a few notable exceptions like SatNav.

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For those of us who really just need a phone that gets our email and has our calendar, the Iphone is perfect. It is a much easier to use, sexier, Blackberry.
 
Windows Mobile is a fine enough mobile platform - but the software available for it is largely invisible to consumers, poor quality and expensive for what it is. Not so with the iPhone...
That's what I've always thought. Where do Windows Mobile users go to get there apps? Is there a one-stop-shop, or do you just do a Google search and hope for the best, with little or no vetting?
 
I don't want to get into a feature by feature debate, but having used a WM for the last two years and played extensively with iPhone, I can tell you that imho, WM offers far more than iPhone does. WM is a phone for power users and business needs, iPhone is for ppl that want simple dependability right out of the box. The downside to WM is that to get it to do all the really cool things iPhones can't and won't you end up with a lot of 3rd party programs which can cause problems. If you compare a jailbroken iPhone and a WM treo that has been set up by a power user, the WM phone will do much more and faster and nearly always with one hand. For as cool as the touch interface is, it's just that, only cool. A DPad is much faster and requires only one hand to operate.

WM is not the same as XP or Vista.

all that said, I'm getting an iPhone bc when it came down to it mobile me will give me the one thing I couldn't get from WM, exchange type service and syncing.

That's what I've always thought. Where do Windows Mobile users go to get there apps? Is there a one-stop-shop, or do you just do a Google search and hope for the best, with little or no vetting?

handango is a great source and there are many other commercial websites where you can download programs.

there are thousands of amazing apps for WM.

There are also many great WM sites equivalent to macrumors where you can get feedback on apps. Vetting is completely over-rated and imho, not necessary.
 
I don't want to get into a feature by feature debate, but having used a WM for the last two years and played extensively with iPhone, I can tell you that imho, WM offers far more than iPhone does. WM is a phone for power users and business needs, iPhone is for ppl that want simple dependability right out of the box. The downside to WM is that to get it to do all the really cool things iPhones can't and won't you end up with a lot of 3rd party programs which can cause problems. If you compare a jailbroken iPhone and a WM treo that has been set up by a power user, the WM phone will do much more and faster and nearly always with one hand. For as cool as the touch interface is, it's just that, only cool. A DPad is much faster and requires only one hand to operate.

WM is not the same as XP or Vista.

all that said, I'm getting an iPhone bc when it came down to it mobile me will give me the one thing I couldn't get from WM, exchange type service and syncing.

Really? Last time I checked, mobile business and power users needed a stable platform to operate, something WM doesn't deliver on. Compairing a DPad to a friggin touch screen is just naive. You obviously haven't actually picked up an iPhone and used it, if you had you wouldn't be spewing this nonsense. The touch interface and OS are YEARS ahead of WM, and its evident when you compare the iPhone to a WM device.
 
Really? Last time I checked, mobile business and power users needed a stable platform to operate, something WM doesn't deliver on. Compairing a DPad to a friggin touch screen is just naive. You obviously haven't actually picked up an iPhone and used it, if you had you wouldn't be spewing this nonsense. The touch interface and OS are YEARS ahead of WM, and its evident when you compare the iPhone to a WM device.

I've played with my friend's iPhone on at least a couple dozen occasions.
Contrary to popular belief WM is extremely stable and few ppl when compared to the number of units out there actually have stability problems, particularly if they are using stock. I probably had a dozen resets over the last year which I could easily live with, and mine was completely tricked out with registry edits and 3rd party software.

A Dpad is actually very fast and again, the whole thing can be worked one handed. There are many cool things you can do with touch. Just bc the touch screen is cool doesn't mean it's better or more efficient. Clicking down links or holding a button is faster than sweeping a finger over and over like one might do in contacts.

I think it's amusing how many iphone fan boys slam wm that have never used it. It's not necessarily intuitive or simple like iPhone and that will be why iPhone will end up owning it, imho.
 
Vetting is completely over-rated and imho, not necessary.

Apparently Apple isn't doing much checking anyway, if they're calling for developers to get their apps in by July 7 in order to be available July 11.

As for the nonsense about "platforms", WM certainly qualifies since it's available and used on many different devices, including handhelds used by the military. Apple's mobile OSX is only on the iPhone.
 
I can't believe there are actually people defending Window's mobile in this forum.

Do you sit in the other team's stands at football games and root for your team? Just a confrontationalist at heart?

Best of luck defending anything to do with an MS OS with this crowd. Should be entertaining.
 
I can't believe there are actually people defending Window's mobile in this forum.

Do you sit in the other team's stands at football games and root for your team? Just a confrontationalist at heart?

Best of luck defending anything to do with an MS OS with this crowd. Should be entertaining.

I thought it was rather funny that just below your post was an ad for the Blackberry. Now thats entertainment!
 
I've played with my friend's iPhone on at least a couple dozen occasions.
Contrary to popular belief WM is extremely stable and few ppl when compared to the number of units out there actually have stability problems, particularly if they are using stock. I probably had a dozen resets over the last year which I could easily live with, and mine was completely tricked out with registry edits and 3rd party software.

A Dpad is actually very fast and again, the whole thing can be worked one handed. There are many cool things you can do with touch. Just bc the touch screen is cool doesn't mean it's better or more efficient. Clicking down links or holding a button is faster than sweeping a finger over and over like one might do in contacts.

I think it's amusing how many iphone fan boys slam wm that have never used it. It's not necessarily intuitive or simple like iPhone and that will be why iPhone will end up owning it, imho.

I've used WM for YEARS, ever since the dell axim x5. I then had an x3i, x51v, then started with phones on a Q. I have ample experience with WM and it isn't stable. Its an under updated and aging platform. The touch interface of the iPhone is about as easy and intuitive as it gets. You need to study up on human interfacing. Using your fingers to pinch, drag, drop and swipe is as easy as can be. The iPhone can easily be used with one hand.

Your on crack if you think WM is stable, seriously? Your exposure to the platform can only be fairly limited for you to think this.
 
That's what I've always thought. Where do Windows Mobile users go to get there apps? Is there a one-stop-shop, or do you just do a Google search and hope for the best, with little or no vetting?
Can you imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the Nazi computer overlords if MS had a one-stop-shop place for apps like that? When Apple does it, it's like heaven... even if Apple gets the no/no go decision on whether an app can even be offered. I think Apple is well within its rights to do so, but it seems unlikely that the App Store will be the be-all-end-all source and that people might end up, gasp, using Google or the like to look for something that isn't in the App Store, for whatever reason.

Why would you come into an iPhone forum and post this??!?!?!
Because it is a forum about the iPhone and not everyone is interested only in the fanboi perspective in making a decision?

The problem with this thread, is that you could make 5 reasons to HOLD off on any phone.
You could. This is, however, an iPhone forum so those other reasons might not be relevant.

All of my computers are running Windows (Heretic! Burn the witch! Yeah, yeah, I know.) I've been looking at an iPhone and a MacBook Pro. Both seem like really nice, well-thought-out machines that I could use for almost all of my day-to-day phone/computing needs. The forums, blogs, and sites, though, are borderline cult-like. I don't expect that to change, and it's reasonable to presume that people on an iPhone forum, for example, are going to be largely pro-iPhone, but dimissing the article in the original post as "crap" -- except, perhaps, for #5 -- isn't pro-iPhone, it is anti-logic. What are the logical refutations for 1-4 not being potentially relevant, accurate reasons to wait on buying a 3G?
 
LOL. Here are 5 reasons that I just thought of randomly to get the new iPhone:

1. Faster internet if you don't use wifi constantly.
2. You'll feel good having the new Apple product.
3. Pretty white or all black.
4. Cheap (only if you can get it for that price)
5. GPS
 
Apparently Apple isn't doing much checking anyway, if they're calling for developers to get their apps in by July 7 in order to be available July 11.

As for the nonsense about "platforms", WM certainly qualifies since it's available and used on many different devices, including handhelds used by the military. Apple's mobile OSX is only on the iPhone.

They may have been checking up on those apps along the way, but fair point. I'd imagine it's an Apple kick up the rear to give the developers a clear deadline so they stop tweaking their apps, and actually lock them down.
 
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