50% of Customers Purchasing a Mac in Q2 2022 Were New Mac Users

[joecomo]

So are you telling me that all MS software now works fully slick on AS Macs?

From my perspective as a dev, I sometimes develop in C#. I haven't for a while, so I'm a bit out of the loop, but from a quick google around, there is a Visual Studio 2022 for Mac RC out, but without running the RC, there is no way to develop .NET 6 on AS Macs?

I feel like there are other niche areas that are still in development, but it sounds like MS is fully on board with getting all its software working slick on ARM. AFAIK, they are in full on serious development of their own ARM processors to get their ARM Windows running fast, as opposed to their current lacklustre offerings.

Anything else I missed?

Depends on the setup:

1. Windows 11 - ARM (e.g. running in parallels)
a. Native Apps: e.g. Edge, most of Office - runs very well - feels like a windows laptop (Or better).
b. X64/X86 emulated Apps: e.g. Visio, Project - also runs well. You don‘t even feel its emulated.
The overall experience is great - e.g. much better than Intel Windows on the old intel MacBooks.

2. X86 Windows emulated on Quemu:
Runs slow - but in some cases acceptable performance. Specially Windows XP 64 bit and Windows 7 run ok.
For fun you can even do Windows 2000 or Win95. I would say there is no piece of arcane outdated Windows
software, that you cannot run on your ARM Mac.

3. X86 Windows through Wine/CrossOver:
Requires fiddling and is not guaranteed to work. Apps can have glitches - BUT if it works it is like a Mac OS app,
the performance is better than emulated Windows and it doesn‘t even require a Windows license.
Don‘t do this if you expect Apps „to just work“

So I would say - no reason not to switch, even if you need to run some crazy windows stuff.

 

[macduke]

Apple in recent years: “How do we grow our quarterly revenue?”

Also Apple: “Lets make the Mac suck.”

Also Apple: “We don’t know why the Mac sales numbers are terrible maybe because everyone wants to do their work on iPads let’s make obnoxious commercials about that and slowly kill off the Mac.”

Developers and designers: “You guys know we use Macs to build and design iPhone apps right?”

Apple: “Oh crap, let’s glue four pimped out A chips together and bring back the cube.”

 

[bushman4]

New customers ….Welcome to our universe. Good things await you

 

[dwsolberg]

I have a M1 MBP and recently had to use an Intel MBP for a couple weeks. The difference is huge. It's so much faster and quieter and has so much linger battery life.

 

[BradMacPro]

Just think of how many more they would have sold if they had an affordable 27 inch 5K M1 Pro iMac.

As much as this could be a plus, especially for my clients, it's been well known for years now that laptops outsell desktops and a high end desktop would sell less still.

 

[ignatius345]

Huh? What are you talking about?

If you hook up your shared household iPad to the same iCloud account as your own iPhone, all of your iMessages and a lot of other stuff is all going to appear on that iPad. Maybe that's fine with you, but not everyone likes that lack of separation.

 

[Arround]

Saw this article in Google News feed and just registered on this site to say that indeed, I bought my first ARM Mac recently after using Windows for almost 15 years!

 

[Useless Touchbar]

Apple really needs to get that new Macbook Air with M2 out well before new college year starts and price it appropriately. That's gonna be the key for driving sales even further amongst students and other mainstream consumers.

So many people that I know started their Mac-career with a MBA during college years.

 

[Wando64]

I never understood why a household would have more than one Apple ID. Different iCloud, sure, but it's better to have all devices use the same Apple ID.

Absolute nonsense.
Everything one does on the Apple ecosystem (including iCloud) is linked to the Apple ID, so why on earth would you want to share it with anyone else? (Rhetorical question. No need to answer. I respect your right to have a substandard experience)

 

[4jasontv]

If you hook up your shared household iPad to the same iCloud account as your own iPhone, all of your iMessages and a lot of other stuff is all going to appear on that iPad. Maybe that's fine with you, but not everyone likes that lack of separation.

Absolute nonsense.
Everything one does on the Apple ecosystem (including iCloud) is linked to the Apple ID, so why on earth would you want to share it with anyone else? (Rhetorical question. No need to answer. I respect your right to have a substandard experience)

Apple ID and iCloud are different services. Personal data is tied to iCloud not Apple ID.

 

[jdiamond]

But - if this is true, why hasn't the Mac market share doubled?

 

[Wando64]

Apple ID and iCloud are different services. Personal data is tied to iCloud not Apple ID.

I don’t know about you, but I need my Apple ID to log into iCloud.

 

[ignatius345]

Apple ID and iCloud are different services. Personal data is tied to iCloud not Apple ID.

This is inaccurate. If you log into multiple devices with the same Apple ID the contents of iMessage will sync to both devices. Same with safari bookmarks and history, saved News stories, the contents of iCloud Mail, Photos, anything in iCloud Drive…

 

[jlc1978]

But - if this is true, why hasn't the Mac market share doubled?

Because first time buyers replaced upgraders in the customer mix that quarter; Apple did not double it sales volume.

 

[sideshowuniqueuser]

Depends on the setup:

1. Windows 11 - ARM (e.g. running in parallels)
a. Native Apps: e.g. Edge, most of Office - runs very well - feels like a windows laptop (Or better).
b. X64/X86 emulated Apps: e.g. Visio, Project - also runs well. You don‘t even feel its emulated.
The overall experience is great - e.g. much better than Intel Windows on the old intel MacBooks.

2. X86 Windows emulated on Quemu:
Runs slow - but in some cases acceptable performance. Specially Windows XP 64 bit and Windows 7 run ok.
For fun you can even do Windows 2000 or Win95. I would say there is no piece of arcane outdated Windows
software, that you cannot run on your ARM Mac.

3. X86 Windows through Wine/CrossOver:
Requires fiddling and is not guaranteed to work. Apps can have glitches - BUT if it works it is like a Mac OS app,
the performance is better than emulated Windows and it doesn‘t even require a Windows license.
Don‘t do this if you expect Apps „to just work“

So I would say - no reason not to switch, even if you need to run some crazy windows stuff.

Thanks so much Joe, I really appreciate the run down. I hadn't even heard of Qemu!

 

[tmoerel]

Apple ID and iCloud are different services. Personal data is tied to iCloud not Apple ID.

No they are not. They are one and the same account.

 

[4jasontv]

I don’t know about you, but I need my Apple ID to log into iCloud.

This is inaccurate. If you log into multiple devices with the same Apple ID the contents of iMessage will sync to both devices. Same with safari bookmarks and history, saved News stories, the contents of iCloud Mail, Photos, anything in iCloud Drive…

No they are not. They are one and the same account.

That’s because you are using the same ID for iCloud.

 

[tmoerel]

That’s because you are using the same ID for iCloud.

Yes and that is how most people use it. Apple will guide those who don't know you can separate them to set up like this. And thus the normal user should not want to share their account ever. And this is why Apple gives the options to create family groups. This allows you to share purchases without sharing personal data.

 

[Bodhitree]

I’m actually not that surprised, the M1 laptops are great, and Monterey is a very good OS. As long as we are clear that you’re not going to be doing a lot of gaming…

 

[joecomo]

Thanks so much Joe, I really appreciate the run down. I hadn't even heard of Qemu!

Your welcome - for Qemu best is to use UTM (which is a nice graphical interface). You can even run Sun Solaris on you M1 Mac with it.

 

[4jasontv]

Yes and that is how most people use it. Apple will guide those who don't know you can separate them to set up like this. And thus the normal user should not want to share their account ever. And this is why Apple gives the options to create family groups. This allows you to share purchases without sharing personal data.

I doubt that is how most use it. Why pay for apps you can’t keep?

 

[tmoerel]

I doubt that is how most use it. Why pay for apps you can’t keep?

???? What are you on about?

 

[curnalpanic]

But - if this is true, why hasn't the Mac market share doubled?

For that to happen, it would have meant that every existing Mac user also bought new Macs, in the same quarter. That did not happen.

For (an extreme) example, 50% being new to the platform could mean that 1 person was new user, and 1 was an existing user, and they only sold 2 Macs total.

 

[Wando64]

That’s because you are using the same ID for iCloud.

You need an Apple ID to use iCloud. That is the point.

I doubt that is how most use it. Why pay for apps you can’t keep?

It really sounds as if you might be confused or misinformed.
You can keep all of the apps you pay for, and share them with the rest of your family if you so wish.
Happy to help you out if you explain the problem you are facing.

 

[4jasontv]

???? What are you on about?

You need an Apple ID to use iCloud. That is the point.
It really sounds as if you might be confused or misinformed.
You can keep all of the apps you pay for, and share them with the rest of your family if you so wish.
Happy to help you out if you explain the problem you are facing.

Explain it to me because I didn’t realize you could share apps with as many people and devices as you wanted.