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Explain it to me because I didn’t realize you could share apps with as many people and devices as you wanted.
If they're the apps that come with the Apple devices, then everyone with an Apple device has already got them and they're designed to work with iCloud.

https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/built-in-apps-mchl110b00b7/mac

If it's a commercially available app -- something like, say, Serif Affinity Designer -- then the application will need to be purchased for each user, but that application's data can then be shared via iCloud.
 
If they're the apps that come with the Apple devices, then everyone with an Apple device has already got them and they're designed to work with iCloud.

https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/built-in-apps-mchl110b00b7/mac

If it's a commercially available app -- something like, say, Serif Affinity Designer -- then the application will need to be purchased for each user, but that application's data can then be shared via iCloud.
Or have one Apple ID for apps so you can pay once. Have an iCloud account for each device.

Why should I pay for an app five times?
 
Sure, but if that's the case it would be expected that most customers would be new purchasers. The number of people who have never purchased a new computer, let alone a Mac, grow every year. I would also assume that most people who buy a BMW are new BMW drivers.
Ok well this is where the analogy falls apart. Most people who buy BMWs lease them for the short term. So most bmw buyers are just on the lease and return cycle, not new buyers, largely due to their terrible depreciation. How many of those lessees are new? Hard to guess, but it’s not like the apple scenario at all.
 
Still doesn’t make logical sense. Why distribute your apps across multiple accounts when you can have them all on one?

1) An iCloud account essentially IS an Apple ID. They're tied directly together. If you log in to iCloud with a particular Apple ID on two devices, the same stuff is synced to both devices.

2) Now let's say your spouse also has their own Apple ID/iCloud account with their own stuff on it. Different person, different Apple ID, different stuff.

3) Now let's say you want to share purchased apps and media with your spouse, but still have your separate Photo libraries, Messages, browser bookmarks, etc.

4) You set up Family Sharing and invite your spouse to be part of your "family" there. Once that's done, you now can both download, separately on your own devices, apps and media that the other has bought.

And why don't you just both log into your respective devices with the same Apple ID/iCloud account? Because, as I explained to you many posts ago, all of your PERSONAL stuff -- like iMessages and browser histories and photos and contacts -- will sync to BOTH devices. Most people don't want that.
 
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If it's a commercially available app -- something like, say, Serif Affinity Designer -- then the application will need to be purchased for each user, but that application's data can then be shared via iCloud.
This is not true if you set up Family Sharing, in which case many apps can be downloaded and used by multiple users in the same Family setup. In fact, Affinity Designer is sharable this way, with up to six family members.

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But, if I buy Affinity Designer and use it on my Mac, and my wife uses it on her Mac, we will have separate content.
 
1) An iCloud account essentially IS an Apple ID. They're tied directly together. If you log in to iCloud with a particular Apple ID on two devices, the same stuff is synced to both devices.

2) Now let's say your spouse also has their own Apple ID/iCloud account with their own stuff on it. Different person, different Apple ID, different stuff.

3) Now let's say you want to share purchased apps and media with your spouse, but still have your separate Photo libraries, Messages, browser bookmarks, etc.

4) You set up Family Sharing and invite your spouse to be part of your "family" there. Once that's done, you now can both download, separately on your own devices, apps and media that the other has bought.

And why don't you just both log into your respective devices with the same Apple ID/iCloud account? Because, as I explained to you many posts ago, all of your PERSONAL stuff -- like iMessages and browser histories and photos and contacts -- will sync to BOTH devices. Most people don't want that.
If you log into Apple ID with the same Apple ID, but then use different iCloud accounts none of the messaging, browser history, photos, etc. are shared. This completely avoids the need for family sharing which only serves to force you to buy apps multiple times or worry about some arbitrary small limit to the size of ones family. It isn't the developers call if I get to use the app on one device or five. Just because I don't personally use a device doesn't mean I don't own it and have every right to install my software on it. One app purchase and everyone gets access to all apps without worrying that data will be synchronized.
 
If you log into Apple ID with the same Apple ID, but then use different iCloud accounts none of the messaging, browser history, photos, etc. are shared. This completely avoids the need for family sharing which only serves to force you to buy apps multiple times or worry about some arbitrary small limit to the size of ones family. It isn't the developers call if I get to use the app on one device or five. Just because I don't personally use a device doesn't mean I don't own it and have every right to install my software on it. One app purchase and everyone gets access to all apps without worrying that data will be synchronized.
I give up! Good luck man.
 
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Ok well this is where the analogy falls apart. Most people who buy BMWs lease them for the short term. So most bmw buyers are just on the lease and return cycle, not new buyers, largely due to their terrible depreciation.

However, even if you lease you're still taking a depreciation hit since the lease costs are based on the residual value, which takes into account the expected depreciation; although a lease company can misjudge or adjust it to move product if needed.

How many of those lessees are new? Hard to guess, but it’s not like the apple scenario at all.

I agree.
 
However, even if you lease you're still taking a depreciation hit since the lease costs are based on the residual value, which takes into account the expected depreciation; although a lease company can misjudge or adjust it to move product if needed.



I agree.
For sure. I’m not advocating for BMW leasing, just explaining why it’s not a good match.
 
Apple really needs to get that new Macbook Air with M2 out well before new college year starts and price it appropriately. That's gonna be the key for driving sales even further amongst students and other mainstream consumers.

So many people that I know started their Mac-career with a MBA during college years.
This won't happen. Apple has a (nearly psychotic) penchant for dumping older models into K-12 and Higher Ed. Back in the early 90s, "my time" with Apple, Apple actually targeted those markets with models; but that was changing by the mid-'90s and sometime after Jobs returned that premise got completely knifed, and Edu got the leftovers, usually deleteriously (watered-down iMacs with hard drives and non-Retina MBP/A), with the "regular" models getting little to no discounts.

I agree with you and that old policy, though; it seems to me you want to trade a BIT of sales for the longer-term effect of the loyalty that is garnered when a college student gets a great PC. All the kids I knew who got an SE (not SE/30), Classic, or LC/II went straight to PC out of college, because the Mac they got was garbage when they bought it. And it only got worse by the time the Performas hit. Whereas students who got color Macs, esp the LCIII and later, and the latter Performas (6360 anyone?), jumped right into iMac and iBooks. Even the iMac was a rather "short" switcher… because Apple (under Jobs) kept jacking the prices. It wasn't until the polycarbonate Intel MacBook that Apple marketshare REALLY got juiced… and I don't think it was an intentional so much as they'd slimmed down the product matrix so far. The Intel MacBooks were just such a good value, the greed couldn't even screw them up. (Which got boosted even more with the 2009 13-inch MacBook Pro… which rumor has it wouldn't have existed if Jobs hadn't gotten sick.)
 
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I never understood why a household would have more than one Apple ID. Different iCloud, sure, but it's better to have all devices use the same Apple ID.
Can you have different iCloud accounts with the same Apple ID? I would expect that to cross wires for all the Apple apps that use iCloud to sync - Messages, Notes, Reminders, Calendar, etc. They have Family Sharing to make the apps portable across multiple related Apple IDs, why not use that functionality?
 
Can you have different iCloud accounts with the same Apple ID? I would expect that to cross wires for all the Apple apps that use iCloud to sync - Messages, Notes, Reminders, Calendar, etc. They have Family Sharing to make the apps portable across multiple related Apple IDs, why not use that functionality?
You can have as many iCloud with the same Apple ID as you want. The Apple ID determines if you paid for an app, but it doesn't have anything to do with content sync. If the App supports iCloud then it uses whatever iCloud account you are logged in with. If you have two devices with the same Apple ID they can both download the same app, but you would need the same iCloud if you want the content to sync between them. This is ideal when you want every app you paid for available on all devices but don't want every device syncing all content.

Familly sharing solves the problem of sharing apps between two Apple IDs that already purchased apps. It doesn't make sense to use it prior to purchasing apps since you could just as easily use one Apple ID to buy all apps. Some apps don't support family sharing, and which devices I install my apps on isn't a decision the developer gets to participate in. When a developer restricts family sharing they overstep.

One Apple ID with multiple iCloud does the same thing as family sharing but retains ones purchase rights.
 
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Some apps don't support family sharing, and which devices I install my apps on isn't a decision the developer gets to participate in. When a developer restricts family sharing they overstep.

One Apple ID with multiple iCloud does the same thing as family sharing but retains ones purchase rights.
While I understand you desire to install apps on any phone you want, I disagree that purchasing an app entitles you to install it on any beyond what the developer states. If you don't like a policy, don't buy the app. If enough people do that the developer will either live with fewer sales, change the TOC, or cease development.
 
While I understand you desire to install apps on any phone you want, I disagree that purchasing an app entitles you to install it on any beyond what the developer states. If you don't like a policy, don't buy the app. If enough people do that the developer will either live with fewer sales, change the TOC, or cease development.
I fundamentally disagree that the developer ever gets a say, but in any case, Apple's policy already says I can install it on every device I own.
 
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