5870 1GB in an 08 Mac Pro possible?

MythicFrost

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So, anyone think this is possible? I'd check the specs of the card myself but they haven't listed it in the store yet afaik. I'd really like to pick one up, no doubt it'll out perform my GTX 285.
 

CaptainChunk

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We don't even know if Apple will be offering the 5870 as an upgrade kit yet.

But I think flashing a PC 5870 will be in the realm of possibility once someone with a new 2010 MP equipped with a 5870 dumps the ROM.
 
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aliot

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We don't even know if Apple will be offering the 5870 as an upgrade kit yet.

But I think flashing a PC 5870 will be in the realm of possibility once someone with a new 2010 MP equipped with a 5870 dumps the ROM.
They do.just read the new spec of mac pro 2010.
I believe all mac pro line will capable to use 5870 once apple releace it,except 1,1(maybe ok...)
 
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goMac

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Apple will offer a 5870 upgrade kit. It will work in the 08 Mac Pro.

(It's pretty easy... Apple has to at least offer a 5870 upgrade kit for the new Mac Pro, especially in since the retail store won't sell a Mac Pro with the 5870. It will be a 64 bit EFI card. Therefore it will work in the 08 Mac Pro. No idea for the Mac Pro 1,1 though.)

(And just in case it comes up, there will also be a 5770 upgrade kit, and it will also work in the 2008 Mac Pro.)
 
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CaptainChunk

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Apple will offer a 5870 upgrade kit. It will work in the 08 Mac Pro.

(It's pretty easy... Apple has to at least offer a 5870 upgrade kit for the new Mac Pro, especially in since the retail store won't sell a Mac Pro with the 5870. It will be a 64 bit EFI card. Therefore it will work in the 08 Mac Pro. No idea for the Mac Pro 1,1 though.)

(And just in case it comes up, there will also be a 5770 upgrade kit, and it will also work in the 2008 Mac Pro.)
Apparently, you can see into the future. It's likely that Apple would release upgrade kits based what they've done in the past with the GeForce 8800 GT and Radeon 4870, but there has been no indication on whether or not it will actually happen yet.
 
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tamvly

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I was just about to ask this question. Now we wait for pricing and availability of the 5770/5870.

Excellent.
 
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MacsRgr8

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Yep.
Many Mac Pro '08 owners feel quite pleased with the purchase back then, not bothering the update to a new Mac Pro.
I'm in the same (speed)boat, and I would only consider a Single CPU 6-Core if the price would be right.... but you know... losing 2 Cores... :eek:
So, anyone with an 08 Mac Pro might get a RAM upgrade (8 GB or more) and the Radeon 5870 to be, well... still close to the top.

Can't wait.... how will X-Plane 9 perform...?
 
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goMac

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Apparently, you can see into the future. It's likely that Apple would release upgrade kits based what they've done in the past with the GeForce 8800 GT and Radeon 4870, but there has been no indication on whether or not it will actually happen yet.
Apple would not leave people who buy in a retail store no upgrade path to a second card or a 5870. It's obvious.

Regardless, there is absolutely no way in hell it wouldn't be a separate part available to Apple Certified techs for install. Would Apple just give a middle finger to anyone who's GPU dies?
 
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Wild-Bill

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My 2008 Mac Pro shall also be graced with a 5870 soon. :D

Whether I go the retail route or the PC card flashed in to a Mac-compatible part remains to be seen. if Apple charges an outrageous price for the 5870, I shall take the latter route and flash a PC card.

That is....... once the good, hard-working folks like Cindori, The Rominator, etc. , get it sorted out. ;)
 
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Roman23

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Hey man..

Before I comment here.. I know we got off on the wrong foot.. I am in need of help to make a logical decision for my mac pro also.. for the problesm I cause you, I apologize to you..

Now, to answer your question.. LIke the 4870 HD when it was on the 09 mac pro.. I am sure almost 100 percent that Apple will provide the 5870 and 5770 as accesory cards for existing machines.. probably for 09,08, and unconfirmed compatibility with 07 and 06..

DO you accept my apology?


My 2008 Mac Pro shall also be graced with a 5870 soon. :D

Whether I go the retail route or the PC card flashed in to a Mac-compatible part remains to be seen. if Apple charges an outrageous price for the 5870, I shall take the latter route and flash a PC card.

That is....... once the good, hard-working folks like Cindori, The Rominator, etc. , get it sorted out. ;)
 
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bilbo--baggins

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I'm planning to get the new 27" Apple LED Cinema Display, probably late this year. I have the early 2008 Mac Pro (2 x quad core 2.8GHz) with the Nvidia 8800GT - so I'm assuming I need to replace the graphics card to get Mini DisplayPort.

If the 4870 upgrade kit gets discontinued and the 5870 isn't made available separately or doesn't work with the early 2008 Mac Pro, then I might have a problem.

From the comments above, it looks like I'm fairly safe to wait for a 5870 upgrade?

Does anyone know how long after the early 2009 models came out that the 4870 kit became available? ie. if I want the 27" later this year, is it likely a 5870 kit will be made available by then?
 
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skyline r34

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ATi 5870 might work in our 08 Mac Pro

I'm looking to either upgrading to a ATi 5870 or buying a 2010 Mac Pro but have not decided yet but by judging by the spec's of 5870 it sure looks like it can work on a 08 Mac Pro but the question is will it fit in our 08 Mac Pro?
 
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Topper

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Can't wait.... how will X-Plane 9 perform...?
Now you are talking my language!!!
Very few benchmark web sites use X-Plane for their benchmarks.
But X-Plane is OpenGL.
The following chart is HD 5870 vs GTX 285 with OpenGL games.
The operating system is Windows 7.
The HD 5870 will absolutely wipe-out the GTX 285 under OS X.
The HD 5870 should dominate the GTX 285 under Boot Camp with Win7.
I will be using HD 5870 with Win7 because I really enjoy using Reality XP's GNS WAAS 530 with X-Plane.

I have no idea what that percentage bar means.
 
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MacsRgr8

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Now you are talking my language!!!
Very few benchmark web sites use X-Plane for their benchmarks.
But X-Plane is OpenGL.
The following chart is HD 5870 vs GTX 285 with OpenGL games.
The operating system is Windows 7.
The HD 5870 will absolutely wipe-out the GTX 285 under OS X.
The HD 5870 should dominate the GTX 285 under Boot Camp with Win7.
I will be using HD 5870 with Win7 because I really enjoy using Reality XP's GNS WAAS 530 with X-Plane.
Now, THAT is good news!!

Cheers for that, Topper!
 
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roblin

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how are noise levels? my 8800 has gotten a bit noisy, sometimes even when just doing normal work and not gaming it goes up, cleaning it seemed to help a little but not enough imo.
 
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Topper

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how are noise levels? my 8800 has gotten a bit noisy, sometimes even when just doing normal work and not gaming it goes up, cleaning it seemed to help a little but not enough imo.
Under idle the noise of the HD 5870 is on par with the rest of the cards.
Under load it is a little on the noisy side.

This is a chart from AnandTech.
Tom's Hardware has a chart showing pretty much the same thing.

 
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Freis968

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I'm planning to get the new 27" Apple LED Cinema Display, probably late this year. I have the early 2008 Mac Pro (2 x quad core 2.8GHz) with the Nvidia 8800GT - so I'm assuming I need to replace the graphics card to get Mini DisplayPort.
My plan is the same as yours. The ATI 4870 is currently $349.00, perhaps the 5870 will retain that price and the 4870 will drop in price.
 
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MacVidCards

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My plan is the same as yours. The ATI 4870 is currently $349.00, perhaps the 5870 will retain that price and the 4870 will drop in price.
Keep dreaming.......that would make MAC 5870 cheaper than Windows ones. Not gonna happen. BTW......with all the info being handed out by newly chatty Apple employees, has anyone asked about when 5770 & 5870 will be available separately and @ what cost?
 
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netkas

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Keep dreaming.......that would make MAC 5870 cheaper than Windows ones. Not gonna happen. BTW......with all the info being handed out by newly chatty Apple employees, has anyone asked about when 5770 & 5870 will be available separately and @ what cost?
I dont think we need the card, we need the rom :D
 
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Topper

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we need the rom :D
I really like the PC 2GB HD 5870 card.
We (you) will be able to flash that puppy to get it to work with OS X.
Two questions:
1. Will the 2GB card only work with 1GB of memory in OS X?
2. If it is only working with 1GB in OS X, will that same flashed card work with 2GB of memory with Win7 under Boot Camp?
 
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Weepul

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Under idle the noise of the HD 5870 is on par with the rest of the cards.
Under load it is a little on the noisy side.
Any idea how it compares to the '08 Pro's 2600? I couldn't find a noise chart with any 2600.

Also, any thoughts whether aftermarket coolers would work? (Probably unknown until people get their hands on the units...) I had put a Zalman on my G5 Quad's 7800 which was much, much quieter than the stock fan.
 
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Topper

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Any idea how it compares to the '08 Pro's 2600? I couldn't find a noise chart with any 2600.

Also, any thoughts whether aftermarket coolers would work? (Probably unknown until people get their hands on the units...) I had put a Zalman on my G5 Quad's 7800 which was much, much quieter than the stock fan.
GPU Review says the HD 5870 noise level is "loud" while the noise level for the 2600 XT is "moderate."

I've never used a third party cooler but I've heard they can be the way to go.
But you should know since you used the Zalman.
 
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theBigD23

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GPU Review says the HD 5870 noise level is "loud" while the noise level for the 2600 XT is "moderate."

I've never used a third party cooler but I've heard they can be the way to go.
But you should know since you used the Zalman.
The noise level is important to me and loud is not good. The issue for me is that my current card, the GT 120 stutters in Expose and Spaces. Known issue on the Apple forums. I hope Apple improves the drivers so that I don't have to change my card.
 
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