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5G is a serious marketing scam, it doesn't exist, it doesn't reach, it drains your battery, and the area where it shines is downloading hundreds of MBs or GBs which is useless since you data plan is capped. This technology exists in "theory".

If you're outside in a core downtown area, with no trees, no rain, and no signs, you'll get mmwave and can stream your 4k video on to your 6" screen. Otherwise, 5G is far more about network congestion and massive numbers of devices than individual device performance. For that it's worth it (wifi6 is the same deal), but not as a 'must have feature'. Meaning, I won't buy a new device without both, but neither one is an 'upgrade now' level feature.
 
How many hours per day do you think most people are on their phone?

So someone ends the day at 40% instead of 50%... what does it matter? It’ll still be at 100% tomorrow morning when they wake up 🤷‍♂️

no, but it's a big deal if they end the day at 7PM at 0, versus 10PM at 30. Even with a battery case, I'd regularly end the day with a dead case and a half full phone.
 
no, but it's a big deal if they end the day at 7PM at 0, versus 10PM at 30. Even with a battery case, I'd regularly end the day with a dead case and a half full phone.
You’re not most people 🙂

Apple could double the weight of the 12 Pro Max to a full pound (454 grams) and some would still burn through the battery. My sister can blow through a couple battery packs with Pokémon Go.
 
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Based on these battery stats, and the fact that 5G is quite new/not as widespread (with the added caveat that we’re barely leaving our homes and WiFi these days), I can see a lot of iPhone X and behind users probably not upgrading. The iPhone 12 has worse battery life than the iPhone 11 when comparing 4G directly. This doesn’t exude a lot of confidence, and the fanboys on here can spin it all they want, but battery life seems to have decreased.

given what I’ve said above, I for one will still be upgrading as I’m going for the 12 mini (and coming from an ancient SE).
In that vein, the critics can also spin it any which way, such as a fail on Apple, but I don't think the "reduced" battery life is going to matter much to the masses. (note: that is an opinion)

I want to the pro max and for my usage the phone will probably last 1.5 days.
 
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5G is a serious marketing scam, it doesn't exist, it doesn't reach, it drains your battery, and the area where it shines is downloading hundreds of MBs or GBs which is useless since you data plan is capped. This technology exists in "theory".
Not really. It's real, it exists. With the iphone 12, Apple is providing a critical mass toward pushing toward 5g, while the carriers keep moving on the push for the roll-outs. My data plan is not capped toward 5g, nor do I have to pay more once, I get a 5g phone.
 
5G is a serious marketing scam, it doesn't exist, it doesn't reach, it drains your battery, and the area where it shines is downloading hundreds of MBs or GBs which is useless since you data plan is capped. This technology exists in "theory".
The regular cellular signal drains your battery, especially if the signal is weak.

For some, there is real coverage and many don’t have a data cap.
 
This. I've used multiple 5G devices on T-Mobile (OnePlus 7T Pro McLaren, OnePlus 8, S20, S20 FE), and while all of those offer a larger battery than the iPhone 12/Pro I'm not concerned at all with my pre-order. Just give the phone a chance and see how it works day to day. Besides, Apple and nearly everyone else offers 14 days to return it if you're not happy.
And how is battery life using 5G on the devices you mentioned with T-Mobile? Curious as I'm a "Magenta" customer as well...
 
But who's going to launch a website every 30 seconds for 10hrs straight 😄, more than enough battery life for short bursts at high speed with normal usage.

If your going to download a large app/video etc on 4G at say 100mbps and 5G is working at say 800mbps, then that 5G radio is going to be on for a much shorter time downloading that data than the 4G one would so battery life should either be better on 5G or at worst very similar to 4G. Overblown issue as usual.
 
Definitely early technology. Modems aren’t super efficient yet. I think it would be a mistake to buy this phone for 5g and expecting 5g signal cause chances are it likely won’t be. But there’s many features why I want to buy it. 5g to me is like a hidden power up in super Mario brothers. I don’t expect to use it all the time but it’s great when you have it for a few seconds beating kupas.
 
And how is battery life using 5G on the devices you mentioned with T-Mobile? Curious as I'm a "Magenta" customer as well...
I'm just going with the law of averages here, but it seems that I'm able to obtain between 7-8hrs of SoT with a mix of 5G/wifi. None of my devices have ever dropped below 20%. It really has been a non-issue for me.

Finally, keep in mind that the article said that the battery life was approx 20% less than the iPhone 11 on constant 5g and slamming the network with requests. Even if that IS the case, the iPhone 11 had better battery life than the 11 Pro, and that lasted most people throughout the day, yes?
 
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What kind of 5G? mm-wave or sub-6? Details please!

mmWave is like running a 2nd modem, so sure it's going to have worse battery life.
But if it's sub-6 (like T-Mo), that's news. That should be comparable.
 
What kind of 5G? mm-wave or sub-6? Details please!

mmWave is like running a 2nd modem, so sure it's going to have worse battery life.
But if it's sub-6 (like T-Mo), that's news. That should be comparable.
If you were referring to my comment, I'm on T-Mobile. I'm not 100% sure if their Standalone uses the same 600mhz band as sub6 or if it is on a different spectrum. Either way, my current phone supports both that T-Mobile has rolled out, so my battery life would apply to that.

Edit: I looked it up, and as I originally suspected, T-Mobile Standalone 5G is using the 2.5ghz mid-band spectrum.
 
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I think i can safely say "Ha.. take that Apple... You thought you were soo good at maintaining that battery life" always
 
Haven’t the time to read 9 pages of comments but has anyone worked out why there is such a big difference between the 12 and the 12 Pro? I’m running with the theory that the test is rubbish. Perhaps the devices hadn’t finished setting up or the signal strength was really poor.
 
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Still better than my < 4 hour battery life on my 6S just surfing the web!
Is your battery shot? The one in my 6s is about 14 months old, but with good signal strength I usually get about 45-50 minutes of (relatively undemanding) browsing per 10% drop in battery. So about twice what you’re getting.
 
If you're outside in a core downtown area, with no trees, no rain, and no signs, you'll get mmwave and can stream your 4k video on to your 6" screen. Otherwise, 5G is far more about network congestion and massive numbers of devices than individual device performance. For that it's worth it (wifi6 is the same deal), but not as a 'must have feature'. Meaning, I won't buy a new device without both, but neither one is an 'upgrade now' level feature.

I will give you the congestion part, but this is not an issue if you don't live in a crowded city like New York or Tokoyo

Not really. It's real, it exists. With the iphone 12, Apple is providing a critical mass toward pushing toward 5g, while the carriers keep moving on the push for the roll-outs. My data plan is not capped toward 5g, nor do I have to pay more once, I get a 5g phone.
The regular cellular signal drains your battery, especially if the signal is weak.

For some, there is real coverage and many don’t have a data cap.

Are you saying you can stream 1TB of data on your 5G smartphone at the 5G speeds of 300+Mbps without limits? What plan is this and which carrier?

Why would carriers invest so heavily in 5g infrastructure if they are not going to make any more money than 4G? Business wise, they might as well stick with 4G and milk the current towers.
 
I will give you the congestion part, but this is not an issue if you don't live in a crowded city like New York or Tokoyo




Are you saying you can stream 1TB of data on your 5G smartphone at the 5G speeds of 300+Mbps without limits? What plan is this and which carrier?

Why would carriers invest so heavily in 5g infrastructure if they are not going to make any more money than 4G? Business wise, they might as well stick with 4G and milk the current towers.
I don’t have my iPhone mini yet. However, I don’t have data caps with T-Mobile and that isn’t going to change when I get the new phone. Max data speeds are not guaranteed but, i have never been slowed down with heavy use. I don’t expect that to change with the new phone. I am currently getting over 100MBps on 4G LTE

A data cap is not the same thing as a speed cap, in my opinion. In three weeks, we shall see actual results.
 
I will give you the congestion part, but this is not an issue if you don't live in a crowded city like New York or Tokoyo




Are you saying you can stream 1TB of data on your 5G smartphone at the 5G speeds of 300+Mbps without limits? What plan is this and which carrier?

Why would carriers invest so heavily in 5g infrastructure if they are not going to make any more money than 4G? Business wise, they might as well stick with 4G and milk the current towers.
What does without limits mean? I have an unlimited data plan, I can get all the data I want. However, after 75gb my connection *may* be throttled. Typical verizon plans.

Why did carriers invest money into 4g from 3g? Why does the government build more roads etc?
 
Every year people repeat this same tired and baseless diatribe, and every year they are proven wrong.


What now brah? Got real-world out here. Looks like you've been proven wrong. Quite ironic when you called my argument baseless when you're the one quite literally basing your argument off of your own fart emissions.
 
I don’t have my iPhone mini yet. However, I don’t have data caps with T-Mobile and that isn’t going to change when I get the new phone. Max data speeds are not guaranteed but, i have never been slowed down with heavy use. I don’t expect that to change with the new phone. I am currently getting over 100MBps on 4G LTE

A data cap is not the same thing as a speed cap, in my opinion. In three weeks, we shall see actual results.
What does without limits mean? I have an unlimited data plan, I can get all the data I want. However, after 75gb my connection *may* be throttled. Typical verizon plans.

Why did carriers invest money into 4g from 3g? Why does the government build more roads etc?

Well, this is the point I am trying to make is that 5G is made to transfer GBs without limits on high speeds. It does not benefit me to have a 5G network if my carrier is giving me unlimited 5G data at 28.8 kbps. Unlimited should be unlimited on the same promised speeds.

Again I say this, speed wise, your email or picture will not upload faster on 5G over 4G. It will shine with GBs of data transfer which carriers will limit. Its a little bit like saying driving to your neighbour house using a car or a bicycle, there won't be much time difference but if you are going to the next city thats when the car will shine.

Why did carriers invest money into 4g from 3g? Why does the government build more roads etc?

because the jump from 3G to 4G opened new world of possibilities, like downloading apps, over the air system updates, video conferencing, video streaming, backing up files to cloud services, pleasant web browsing, watching videos in HD. If carriers don't update, it will be abandoned for the one that does.

All this is already possible with 4G at speeds of 40-70Mbps, the 5G won't open new possibilities...at least not now.
 
Well, this is the point I am trying to make is that 5G is made to transfer GBs without limits on high speeds. It does not benefit me to have a 5G network if my carrier is giving me unlimited 5G data at 28.8 kbps. Unlimited should be unlimited on the same promised speeds.

Again I say this, speed wise, your email or picture will not upload faster on 5G over 4G. It will shine with GBs of data transfer which carriers will limit. Its a little bit like saying driving to your neighbour house using a car or a bicycle, there won't be much time difference but if you are going to the next city thats when the car will shine.



because the jump from 3G to 4G opened new world of possibilities, like downloading apps, over the air system updates, video conferencing, video streaming, backing up files to cloud services, pleasant web browsing, watching videos in HD. If carriers don't update, it will be abandoned for the one that does.

All this is already possible with 4G at speeds of 40-70Mbps, the 5G won't open new possibilities...at least not now.
What you suggest isn't entirely true. One of the benefits of 5G as I understand, other than mmwave being insanely fast, is that the protocol will reduce some the constraints of congestion of LTE. So right off the bat, there is a benefit to 5G, even if one photo will not upload faster. And to get to that point where 5G throttles (and also LTE) I will have had to use 75 gig of data before that starts to happen, if it happens.

So 5G is about greater speed with less congestion. There are benefits, but if ones' use case is narrow enough, one may not see it that way.

Also the throttling is not going to be at 1980 modem speeds.
 
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