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kingtj said:
If I was in charge of an iPod redesign, I'd leave the white front pretty much alone - but I'd get rid of the slick, super-easily scratched chrome back plate! It looks great for about the first 10 minutes of iPod ownership - and then ends up covered in fingerprints or scratches.

How about making that out of an anodized aluminum finish, more like the iPod mini or Powerbook? That'd stop all the fingerprints showing up all over it, and would add a measure of scratch resistance too.

If this was done properly, I think you'd have an iPod that'd match either a consumer (snow white) line of Macs, *or* a Pro (aluminum) line, since it'd be "half and half".



I just did that to my 2nd Gen 10gb iPod.

http://www.spymac.com/gallery/show_photo.php?picid=336576

It is easier to maintain and hold on to, but I don't really like it as much as the shiny metal, it seems cheaper now.
 
Maybe this will shut up the G5 whiners.

Maybe pigs will sprout wings.

Face, G5s aren't fitting in Powrbooks, not any time soon. G4 Freescale possible dual core able to do 64 bit WILL with less power draw... it's BETTER than G5, deal yo!
 
Cochrane said:
Of course, the fact that I did not like the 3G-iPod did not prevent Apple from selling lots of them (both my mother and my sister have one), so Apple could very well decide to do something like this.

The weird thing is that I prefer the look of the 4G-iPod, but prefer the interface of my 3G-iPod. I prefer the touch buttons. Granted, I have an iSkin that sorts of prevent me from touching the buttons by mistake.
 
Perhaps in these next versions, and with Tiger, we'll finally see what I think would be the coolest rumoured feature -- Home on iPod. I would love to be able to cart around a single small device that could store my home directory, and let me plug into any Mac (such as the hopefully soon-to-be-ubiquitous Mac mini) to see my desktop, files, and even apps.

I'm a bit surprised that Apple hasn't already implemented this, but I'm guessing it will take some tinkering on the Mac OS side. The confluence of Tiger and new iPods, along with the Mac mini as a cheap platform for folks to use in this fashion (just put them all around your corporate offices, and let folks see their desktops wherever they are) seems an excellent time to roll this out.
 
jonnyb said:
Agree on all those and... 6. Gapless playback

Please? I really couldn't care less about extra colours and photos etc. They need to improve the audio aspects of their audio player before moving onto other things

Indeed. As I have mentionned in other topics before, Apple's "join tracks" feature is a joke and I really wonder how anything so useless ever got past their QA department.

When you "join tracks" for ripping a CD, the result is one single big track. If I join tracks 1 to 3, I get "track 1 of 3" as a result. No more tracks 2 and 3. No way to actually "jump" into the big track to where track 2 is supposed to start either.

Even if this is a hardware limitation of the iPods, it can be solved by this simple trick: the tracks already have metadata for "start/end" of the track. Simply add more metadata for every "joined track" included in the big track.

1. Insert CD
2. Join tracks 1-3
3. Rip CD
4. Result is one big file that contains tracks 1-3 (gapless playback) but both iTunes and iPod show 3 tracks as usual. The big track has metadata for start/end of track 1, start/end of track 2 and start/end of track 3.

Of course, this would mean gapless tracks wouldn't be sold separately on the iTMS anymore, and would kinda suck for those who already purchased single tracks that are supposed to be gapless with other tracks.
 
Tulse said:
Perhaps in these next versions, and with Tiger, we'll finally see what I think would be the coolest rumoured feature -- Home on iPod. I would love to be able to cart around a single small device that could store my home directory, and let me plug into any Mac (such as the hopefully soon-to-be-ubiquitous Mac mini) to see my desktop, files, and even apps.

I'm a bit surprised that Apple hasn't already implemented this, but I'm guessing it will take some tinkering on the Mac OS side. The confluence of Tiger and new iPods, along with the Mac mini as a cheap platform for folks to use in this fashion (just put them all around your corporate offices, and let folks see their desktops wherever they are) seems an excellent time to roll this out.
While that feature has a lot of potential, I'm not sure Apple will devote much resources to developing something that's only useful for Mac users. I'm guessing that there are a lot more PC-iPod users than Mac-iPod users now. Apple is only adding features (like the Photo features) that are PC compatible also.
 
Photorun said:
Maybe this will shut up the G5 whiners.

Maybe pigs will sprout wings.

Face, G5s aren't fitting in Powrbooks, not any time soon. G4 Freescale possible dual core able to do 64 bit WILL with less power draw... it's BETTER than G5, deal yo!

Yah, I've been around here long enough to know that nothing shuts up the G5 whiners. But what can you do? Many of them just simply do not understand the technical issues surrounding putting a G5 in a laptop, they do not even consider if they actually need the power of a G5 in their laptop (they want it "just cuz"), nor do they realize that a dual-core G4 laptop could outperform a G5 in many aspects anyway, which is a hard concept to grasp since many people assume "5" is better than "4" since it's a higher number... :rolleyes:
 
MacMyDay said:
I wouldn't mind bluetooth built-in for wireless headphones. At least that way I wouldn't have to see every 1 in 4 people at my school walk around with white wires everywhere in order to show off. I bought a Sony pair of headphones instead.

No doubt you would then complain about the people who are using wireless earphones to 'show off'.

Ever occur to you that the people with the white wires are just listening to their music? How does actually using the device equate to showing off?

WRT bluetooth headphones - who wants another thing to have to charge? What if the headphones run out of juice, but your iPod doesn't? So now you can't listen to music.

Sure, wireless would be cool, but impractical imho.
 
Avicdar said:
No doubt you would then complain about the people who are using wireless earphones to 'show off'.

Ever occur to you that the people with the white wires are just listening to their music? How does actually using the device equate to showing off?

WRT bluetooth headphones - who wants another thing to have to charge? What if the headphones run out of juice, but your iPod doesn't? So now you can't listen to music.

Sure, wireless would be cool, but impractical imho.

Several people I know at my university purchase the headphones from Apple and simply plug them into their CD players. Thus, they can "look" like they have an iPod, but really just a cheap CD player.

Yes, those white headphones with their signature white wires are a fashion statement. Why do you think Apple uses them so obviously in their commercials? Why do you think the new iPod shuffle has a white lanyard? :rolleyes: ;)
 
SiliconAddict said:
Apple needs to get away from the reflective back on the iPods. Seriously. This is my fist iPod and within 1 hour of cracking the box open I had very small scratches on the thing and that was treating the device like my first born. They should seriously think about using AL for the back of the iPod. Much less scratch prone.
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kingtj said:
If I was in charge of an iPod redesign, I'd leave the white front pretty much alone - but I'd get rid of the slick, super-easily scratched chrome back plate! It looks great for about the first 10 minutes of iPod ownership - and then ends up covered in fingerprints or scratches.
It seems several people are thinking on the same thing... Well, it's because it's obvious... Yet, I added a further development to that idea ;) /edit

YES! I was thinking of posting this idea myself, but I decided to read the whole post. Man, you're spot on with that one! And besides, this approach would be very consistent with all of the Apple products' line up. What is out is not white, what is out is chrome! Just think about it:

The the MDD G4 PowerMac... It had "mirrored doors", or should I say, chrome, right? It's now discontinued. The G4 iMac (I had one, absolutely gorgeous), with chrome swing arm and Apple badges... is also discontinued! The eMac... It still retains a chrome Apple badge, but that one will be EOL'ed soon, now that the Mac mini is out. And if it isn't, I wouldn't be surprised to see them put a new gray Apple badge on the optical drive door, just like the one found in iMac G5... This is just my guess, of course.

So, this leaves us with: the iMac G5, the Mac mini, and the new Apple Cinema Displays, made of white, gray and translucent plastic, and anodized aluminium; Both the PowerMac G5, XServe G5, and the PowerBooks, made of anodized aluminium; The iPod mini, made of opaque white plastic and anodized aluminium; The iBook made of opaque white plastic; The iPod shuffle and most iPod accessories, made of opaque white plastic and some hints of gray.

Hmmmm, I seem to be forgetting a hugely popular product from Apple... The scratch-prone 4G iPod! That chrome back is too much out-of-place in Apple's lineup, and is definitely asking for a change! Sure, that reflective back is as much well-known as its famous white front, but not always for the best reasons. :rolleyes: And we all know how cool anodized aluminium is. I could also easily see Apple producing regular iPods with coloured backs, and perhaps even matching clickwheels, they already did that kind of stuff with the iPod mini and also the G3 iMac!! And as for supply issues... If they found ways to manage them with the mini, they could, too, with the bigger iPods... Think about it ;)

Oh, and this leaves me with the impression they could do the same with the Mac mini... But maybe I'm exaggerating :rolleyes:
 
SiliconAddict said:
As for the PowerBooks. Anyone else think that we are seeing a dead horse being beaten? I get that impression simply because, assuming the rumors ARE true, they didn't jack the speed up to 1.7Ghz. I mean what the heck? 1.67?!?

Why not 1.98Ghz, 2.48Ghz on the PowerMac. No, all they could reach was 1.67Ghz. I think we've seen the end of the line for the G4 and all I can say is I hope Apple takes it out back and puts it out of its misery with the introduction of SOMETHING at WWDC.

Well I do agree that this g4 (7447a I believe) has gotten a bit long in the tooth, but the G4 series chips themselves are not all that bad. The 7448 with it's 1mb of l2 cache and 200 mhz fsb would probably be a substantial improvement.

Apple's in a hard spot right now. The g5 has been proven to be a power hungry chip(read: short battery life) and right now apple gets a pretty decent battery life out of the g4's. Sure it's no pentium m , but it's good. Most people don't use laptops for insane power hungry applications because that's what desktops are (generally) for. I'm sure a majority of people NEED a g5 2 ghz laptop (hotplate) for their emailing and general purpose computing....right.

What I would love to see is a new g4 (7448) that gets...let's say an extra hour of batty life (perhaps not all that realistic but still) at even the same clock speeds.


Justin

Oh , it's 1.67 ghz becuase the clock speed has to be a multiple of the fsb hence 167mhz X 10 = 1.67ghz. 1.7 wouldnt work.
 
Cochrane said:
I would not like that at all. If you look at an iPod from some distance (except for the shuffle and 3G) then you see two things: A screen and a wheel. These two are the main aspects of the iPod design and I think it was a very bad idea of Apple to abandon this with the 3G-iPod. I mean, if you look at one of these from most angles, it looks like a white piece of plastic with a screen and not like an iPod. That was probably the reason why the 4G-iPod has the wheel in gray, so that you get the typical rectangle-circle configuration.

Of course, the fact that I did not like the 3G-iPod did not prevent Apple from selling lots of them (both my mother and my sister have one), so Apple could very well decide to do something like this.


I kind of liked the look of the 3G pods. I'm not saying I don't like the current look, but the all white was kind of nice. The ractangle/circle panache wasn't lost in the mix, just reimagined. In fact, I might just go on eBay right now and buy a 3G :D

That being said though, I'm with you on the possible new look. I'd have to see it first to really say for sure, but I'm not such a big fan of the iPod mini's look so I can't imagine I would jump up and drop 3-5 hunnert bones for a alu/ti-pod.
 
No, no, NO!

Don't change the iPod's color! Firstly, the white iPod is famous. Change it and it's just another MP3 player.

Secondly, it RUINS Apple's lineup.

Consider.

Metallic = things with Power or with Mini in the name.
Example: Mac Mini. PowerMac. PowerBook. iPod Mini.

White = things that begin with i and e.
Example: eMac. iMac. iBook. iPod. iPod Shuffle.

So unless they rename it to PowerPod, this contradicts the lineup!
 
A while back, there were rumours about Apple letting third parties develop games for the iPod. This would be good.

Even better, if Apple released a SDK for developing Applications. Of course, such SDKs would probably be crippled to stop people writing their own codecs, such as to watch DivX on iPod Photo etc.


Blue tooth enabled iPod for headphones would be good (BT is fast enough to stream stereo sound) - but at the moment limited, since blue tooth head phones ( as opposed to headsets) cost $hundreds.

Bluetooth to transfer music would be a no go - too sllooowww.
 
ts1973 said:
(because, as someone mentioned above, the only real improvement from a G4 to G5 would be a color screen).

:confused: :confused: :confused:

The G4 PowerBooks already have color screens.... Way back when, the PowerBook line didn't, but now we do.......... :confused:
 
I would like to see an LCD remote....I know some people don't even use the current remote, but i travel a lot in airports, trains, busses, etc, and HATE to take out my ipod for any reason in fear for dropping it.....I'm not sure that it isn't possible to do that with current ipods, and am willing to bet it's more of a 3rd party issue, cost effective, etc...however, outside of battery life, to me, that is the #1 issue....
 
Mechcozmo said:
:confused: :confused: :confused:

The G4 PowerBooks already have color screens.... Way back when, the PowerBook line didn't, but now we do.......... :confused:

Is it early in the morning for you?

He meant Generation 4 and Generation 5 iPods.... (G4 , G5)... :rolleyes:
 
It's about time they make a major revison to the iPod. i've never considered the "4G" a "new iPod generation" per se, since it has too many similarities with the 3G. We need another huge jump, like the jump from 2G to 3G; there was no debate about the improvements there! They were major, and a huge shift in the right direction.
 
I have to say the thing I like best about the iPod Mini is the rounded sides combined with flat ends, it just looks great. I'm sure there will still be a white iPod, but I still can't see how they can change much about the interface.

A significantly bigger battery would be nice.
 
GFLPraxis said:
Secondly, it RUINS Apple's lineup.
Consider.
Metallic = things with Power or with Mini in the name.
Example: Mac Mini. PowerMac. PowerBook. iPod Mini.
White = things that begin with i and e.
Example: eMac. iMac. iBook. iPod. iPod Shuffle.
So unless they rename it to PowerPod, this contradicts the lineup!

You're not being very accurate on this one... Read my above post, and you'll see that that distinction is kind of blurry, now. It doesn't have much to do with naming or anithing, but mostly with the amount of white vs metal... The professional products are almost entirely made of aluminium, the iPod mini being the biggest exception (even though we can consider that as a "pro" product, since it's higly miniaturized, thus having a bad relationship between price/features, yet being utterly cool)... But every Apple product (except the PowerBook and the PowerMac) has a hint of the opposite material. This is some sort of "industrial design yin-yang" thing :p

Even those two exceptions, when accessorized with Apple peripherals and Displays, end up having a hint of white here and there. The iPod mini has a more 50-50 proportion, the iMac is mostly white with an aluminium stand, and the iPod is white and chrome, unlike both minis (the iPod and the Mac), damn it! It doesn't fit in ;). So, you see, Apple products should be either all white, all aluminium, or both. You can even see that among the peripherals... iSight vs. KB and Mouse, for example! And now that I think about it, Mac OS X has a bit of that duality too, even though in a more anarchic fashion, with that Aqua vs. Brushed Metal thing :rolleyes:

This is a recurrent thing with Apple: A few years ago it was coloured plastic and white/translucent plastic across the lineup; then it was translucent and gray plastic or white and translucent plastic, both combined with chrome elements. And now, we have this lineup. We could roughly consider the first one, the G3 era, the second one, the G4 era, and the third one, the G5 era. Just go and ask Jonathan Ive about that, and you'll see ;)
 
i could see the 5th gen ipods comin' out around the same time the 4th gen's did, which was a few weeks after wwdc... and is part of the second half of 2005 :)
 
Stella said:
Is it early in the morning for you?

He meant Generation 4 and Generation 5 iPods.... (G4 , G5)... :rolleyes:

Hmmm... Didn't early PowerBooks have B&W and grayscale LCDs??? Of course, the first colour LCD PowerBooks weren't the TiBooks, and weren't the black G3 PowerBooks either, but anway... I think that, just like PowerBooks, all iPods (except the shuffle :rolleyes: ) will end up having colour screens. Perhaps even OLED screens... BTW, have you seen the Creative Zen Micro with a colour screen? It's OLED, you know? Not that I'm an advocate of Creative or something, I love Apple, Macs and iPods and everything, but I guess Apple should be aware of these inroads from its competitors, IMHO.
 
Mechcozmo said:
:confused: :confused: :confused:

The G4 PowerBooks already have color screens.... Way back when, the PowerBook line didn't, but now we do.......... :confused:

I believe he's talking about 4G to 5G iPods, not G4 to G5 Powerbooks ;)
 
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