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No, quad pixel sensor designs. Also, night mode is basically exposure stacking which is a traditional method for reducing low light noise, but phones do smart things like varying varying shutter speed for the different exposures if it detects motion so the moving objects have reduced motion blur while the rest if the photo uses stacked longer exposure times.

But sure, yeah, it’s all just dumb AI.

All is great, small / overly dense sensors are not.

Mirrorless cameras do all of this, have stacked sensors, use multi-exposure to achieve low, and high exposure shooting. Mirrorless cameras also have subject tracking, servo predictive focus, and can adjust aperture (can't do that on most phones), shutter speed, in some cases zoom, ISO, and even change in or out ND filters all in camera. Some even do HDR in RAW which lets the user (or their software pack) use better post processing than is on camera. I like machine learning and AI functions, just NOT tiny sensors.

I think people are infering that I hate camera phones, I don't. I use the hell out of them, and they take great images. What i dislike is the specification chase of going to 200 Megapixel for the sake of doing so. But if the rumor of Apple dropping Sony sensors for Samsung is true, that would be the only reason it makes sense.

Perhaps “people” are not the ones failing to understand here. The fact that so many do just that (use a case) should tell you that to most people, the phone is primarily a tool. Your “beautiful piece of engineering” ceases to be that the instant it hits a hard floor, possibly along with whatever utility it serves as a tool. As much as Apple would like to pretend in marketing materials, phones are simply not pieces of art for most people, never were, and will likely never be.

Agreed,

Phones (sadly) like Cars, and home appliances are just a commodity to most and the mentality is often to just replace the device as oppsed to repair / take care of it.

As someone who had to work really hard to get nice things, I still think it is sad when I see a newish Audi, BMW, Lexus / etc all beat up because an owner doesn't care enough to take care of it.

Bring back Nextel phones we could use as vehicle jack-stands 😉 .
 
Sorry but the physics of capturing photons onto a sensor (or substrate when using film) is a factual matter. 200 Megapixel such as in Samsung and other phones are specs for specs sake, and really nothing more.
Incorrect - perhaps you need your physics updated. All things being equal except pixel size, a sensor with more smaller pixels will always provide better pictures. For low light situations, you use aggressive noise reduction and down sample to produce a picture as good as the reduced resolution larger pixel sensor. For higher light situations you produce picture with much better resolution that the lower resolution sensor can’t provide. If the overall sensor area is the same, the light gathered is roughly the same regardless of pixel size and that is what matters.

It is only in very niche extreme low
light design intentions that the few percentage points of improved light gathering from larger pixels makes sense.
 
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Do people really do this? I don't upgrade until my phone appears on the vintage and obsolete product list.
My iPhone 13 mini is in a case, so the only thing I actually experience is the screen. As long as it uses the current iOS (or the last one I want to use), I can’t get too excited about upgrading the hardware. My typical speed bottleneck is my interwebz connection, not the gadget.
 
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Haven’t we moved on from curved edge screens years ago because they are terrible? This seems like a huge step backwards. I’ll wait to see once it’s released, but it sounds dated to me.
Does the Apple Watch sound dated? I think the design is more likely to end up like the Watch then like anything Samsung made where some pixels where only visible on the edge.
 
Perhaps “people” are not the ones failing to understand here. The fact that so many do just that (use a case) should tell you that to most people, the phone is primarily a tool. Your “beautiful piece of engineering” ceases to be that the instant it hits a hard floor, possibly along with whatever utility it serves as a tool. As much as Apple would like to pretend in marketing materials, phones are simply not pieces of art for most people, never were, and will likely never be.
That's your opinion, I won't argue - there's no point since we look at things differently

PS: A little advice, the majority is not always the right answer
 
Does the Apple Watch sound dated? I think the design is more likely to end up like the Watch then like anything Samsung made where some pixels where only visible on the edge.
well, the (totally) flat screen on the AW Ultra is far easier to read compared to the regular model, hmmm, wonder why that is? And what works on a watch doesn't necessarily work on a smartphone.
quite frankly, imho, that curved screen is a gimmick, some type of change to make the phone look/feel different so that people want it ...
 
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Does the Apple Watch sound dated? I think the design is more likely to end up like the Watch then like anything Samsung made where some pixels where only visible on the edge.
Totally different thing. The watch is on your wrist. You're not holding it.
 
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Personally have zero interest in an infinity screen. There is a reason why Samsung dropped the edge design. No real such thing as a full coverage glass screen protector, and were prone to drop / edge damage.

It added little to nothing to the use of the device outside of a few trick apps that tapped into it.

Just no!
I guess that the rumored designs were so bad that even MacRumors own staff hated it.
 
"according to the leaker known as "Digital Chat Station."

Aren't "leakers" the people who work for and with the company who leak the information? Leakers aren't third party people who hear information from others, right?

At some point, we went from "rumors" to "leaks."
 
What real need does the side display actually serve? Is there something users truly need that cannot be done without a screen on the side? Or is it possible that this need does not even exist in the first place?

...Once the side display is covered by the case, all you can really see is some light coming through. The other option is for companies to make cases with the sides cut open, leaving only a thin strip between the front and the side.
Jobs and Ive decided years ago that the iPhone should eventually be literally like a slab of glass, and Apple hasn't entirely given up on that idea. They just thought it would be cool, rather than serving a real need. Perceptions of coolness often triumph over practicality, despite possible consequences.

Cases which don't cover the sides of the iPhone have already been available since at least 2017, and they seem to work well. "Cases" that cover just the rear were available as soon as the first iPhone was released in Sept 2007.
 
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"A22 Pro" chip ... which is said to offer up to 15% better performance than a 2nm chip..."

Which is still ridiculous. It's a damn phone...
 
Don't buy this year's phone: next year's phone is supposed to be a redesign.

Don't buy that redesign: wait a year or two for it to be perfected.

Don't buy the perfected version: the updates were small, and a redesign is right around the corner.
The timing of MacRumor’s posts about future iPhones definitely suggests that you should not be excited about the next iPhone, but some prototype that is in its earliest stages.

Also, I despise their wording of “what we know” when these are all rumors, so we actually know nothing yet. We technically don’t even know what the iPhone 18 Pro will be, we just have lots of strong rumors.

I’m always curious about the next iPhone/iPad. I’m a little less curious about the ones after that, until we get closer to their release.
 
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"A22 Pro" chip ... which is said to offer up to 15% better performance than a 2nm chip..."

Which is still ridiculous. It's a damn phone...
Well, with all of its apps, it's been a lot more than that ever since the first iPhone, even though Jobs at first didn't want an App Store for it. And now that AI is included, increasing the performance is more useful. Even without AI, a lot of people complain that some apps on their iPhone, and even the user interface, can sometimes be sluggish. Performance increases that come from smaller circuitry can also reduce the heat that the circuitry produces, which can increase its lifespan and the life of the battery too.
 
Apple are not selling any interesting phones these days, that I wan’t.

But I will get down to city later today, and fix so my lovely 13 mini will get a new battery 😄
Then I can wait until - Apple hopefully will sell some smaller phones in some form again - after Crook left the operative business at least.
 
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So in 2 years it will be slightly better than my 16 Pro Max, but probably at twice the cost the way things are going
 
well, the (totally) flat screen on the AW Ultra is far easier to read compared to the regular model, hmmm, wonder why that is? And what works on a watch doesn't necessarily work on a smartphone.
quite frankly, imho, that curved screen is a gimmick, some type of change to make the phone look/feel different so that people want it ...
Pretty much. The edge curves around the display on the non-Ultra Apple Watches reflect ambient light in a way that can create bright reflections there, which sometimes slightly obscures the visibility of the edges of the display, but maybe not enough to be an issue if the display is bright enough to overcome this. At the very least it's a little distracting.

Jony Ive, who is the originator of the basic curved display design for what will be the 20th Anniversary iPhone, essentially acknowledged that his goal of a "slab of glass" (though not his phrase) iPhone is a sort of gimmick, in that some of his descriptions of the more obvious features of this display sure sound like other ways of saying "because it looks cool".

But a coolness factor was in the iPhone's display design from the start, since the original goal for it, developed by Jobs and Ive, was to have an “infinity pool” effect in which though the sides of the iPhone would have a visible metal band, and the display would have a black border/bezel around it, that when the iPhone was powered off, its front face would be completely black, so that when powered on, imagery seems to emerge from inside it (sounds a little like one of Kubrick’s original ideas for the 2001 monolith). The housing and bezel were supposed to "frame the experience” without competing with it. They also used phrases like “everything should defer to the display”, and out of the "infinity pool" things should “magically appear,” and that the display should even be “a physical object that disappears into the experience” (!!).

After Jobs, Ive later expanded on these goals, saying that the best way to not compete with the display would be to get rid of the metal band and the bezel altogether, or at least shrink them as much as is practical. He wanted the iPhone to be a seamless unibody, with no external parts like the buttons and the metal band around the periphery that remind you, by both their appearance and feel, that you’re holding and looking at a display in a housing, but rather that all you’re holding is a display. The buttons would be replaced by display-based haptic response zones that might even bulge outward, electronically, as bumps on the sides of the iPhone. He said this could also be seen as a practical approach since Apple could move the locations of the buttons in software if they later decided they'd found a better arrangement, or even add new buttons (maybe even allow the user to add new buttons?).

We'll see how much of all this actually makes it to the first iPhone with the new display design.
 
The one main thing I find most annoying with my iPhones (I have 2, a 17 and a 16 Pro) is the battery. It’s hard to get through a full day without charging even when switching to low power mode (which I would like to keep permanently but Apple in their wisdom turns off once the phone is charged).

I don’t care for a 15% performance increase or slightly better AI functionality. Give me a lighter phone with better battery capacity.

I always carry around both phones (a locked down secured work phone and one for personal use). They are bulky, the idea of a slim iPhone seems to have disappeared after Steve left this earth.
 
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