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MP 7,1 7,1 Bros: We're headed into 2025. How are we feeling?
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Just renewed AppleCare+ on mine. Good to have that.
If I need to use it, I don’t know what they will do, give me an M2 Mac Pro?
If I need to use it, I don’t know what they will do, give me an M2 Mac Pro?
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Windows being supported over a longer time opens the door to a wider set of GPUs. Pairing a 2019 era CPU with a 2025 mid-upper range GPU may end up in a situation where the GPU is hampered because the CPU just can't keep up (e.g., feed data quickly). 2026 , 2028 GPU and 2019 CPU the gap will just get wider.
For better or worse, the MP 2019 is capped on possible GPUs which also stopped in the 2022-ish timeframe. So no chance to have a gap form there between CPUs and GPUS.
It is the difference between wanting to use the device as a system (holistically as a Mac ) or as a 'box with slots' to fill ( to do whatever OS want to throw at it). The latter has a wider range of permutations that bring their own issues.
This was probably Apple just not wanting to have their M2 machine being out performed by a previous machine, and to try and ensure that people will throw away more big $$$, which I refused to do.
Well that would be an interesting case, Australian law is pretty aggressive for this sort of thing. I think Appe is already on very thin ice with regards to not stocking MPX modules, SSDs etc, because provision of spare parts for a minimum of 3 years after a product goes off sale is a legal requirement.
It would be a very easy case to make that you purchased insurance for an Intel machine with upgradable GPUs and the ability to boot Windows, and they need to provide you with that for any warranty fulfilment.
It's something I plan to follow up myself when I get a few spare moments.
Probably not. It is likely driven by the fact that the rest of the Mac line up dropped AMD GPUs. There is no unit volume to support the driver development for a new GPU implementation.
The 580 in the initial MP 2019 was a 'Polaris' class GPU that was used in other Macs ( ).
580X in 2017
The 5000 series was used in the iMac 2020 and MBP 16" 2019
MacBook Pro (16-inch, 2019) - Technical Specifications - Apple Support
Vega II is a follow on to Vega used in Mac Pro ( there is some unique work there).
iMac Pro (2017) - Technical Specifications - Apple Support
The Mac Pro got 6000 series probably Apple knew they were going to try to do the Mac Pro at the end of the two year transition and just needed some 'fill' to kick the can down the road. Also partially driven by problems that Vega II presented ( AMD skipped a 'large GPU' solution for the 5000 series because of birthing hiccups in their GJP family development). The 580 was also 'old' on day one also. Essentially, got a bump there because AMD didn't deliver on time. ( AMD probably soaked up a sizable chuck of costs for that just to hold onto the declining contract just to keep a steady customer with deep pockets. )
Apple likely told AMD way in advance that Mac Pro 2019 would drop from market in late 2022. That probably changed to 2023 later, but the Mac Studio would have been out by then it the writing on the wall in bright neon lights for AMD. At that point, if no new systems being sold what is the market 7000's? Relatively not much ( in context of crypto and then AI mania crazes ).
It isn't tech benchmarks porn numbers that stop new dGPUs. It is just plain economics. If Apple isn't spending any money on it then AMD isn't going to either. AMD subsidizing Apple is nuts. [ If AMD unilaterally did the drivers then most MP users would buy the Windows PC market version of the cards and AMD would recoup little to none of the money spent. So yes, that would be an Apple subsidy. ]
It is the same detachment with the notion that Apple could just keep macOS on Intel going forever with zero new product being sold on that platform. When the rest of the mac line up dumps dGPUs... the Mac Pro pushing that up the hill all by itself doesn't work.
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Has anyone managed to rig the 7.1 with an NVIDIA RTX 5090/ Pro 6000 Blackwell? And if so, what worked and what didn’t?
If trying to run 5090/Pro 6000 inside the Mac Pro then one issue is that pragmatically it takes both MPX bays worth of power. (going to need all four 8-pin power delivery. And won't be uniform cable length for all four.). You won't have much room or power to run a smaller GPU in the non MPX bays for macOS. If skewed that much toward Windows to loose substantive GPU 'horsepower' to macOS, why bother?
If put in an external enclosure with a modern 16 pin power supply then wouldn't matter as much.
I’m running an RTX A6000 along the Vega II Duo for years with no problems and was wondering if swapping that for the RTX 5090 would help out. When you suggest external, what enclosure do you have in mind?
CUBIX / Cyclone / Max Expansion / One Stop Systems PCIE expansion chassis pop up on ebay a few times per year.
I'm a satisfied user of One Stop Systems (formerly maxexpansion) CUBE3. It has been attached to:
- Proxmoxed Z820 with variety of GTX 1070s and Vega 64s
- Hackintoshed & proxmoxed HP Z840s with 4x Vega Frontier Editions and / or Vega 64
- MP 2019 Big Sur dual W6800X duo + 4x Radeon Pro VII in the same CUBE3. These PCIE expansion chassis are worth their weight in gold, and allow your box to take on some massive tasks, effortlessly.