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TSE

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Jun 25, 2007
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Ok I have a really bad and embarassing medical problem. It has been effecting me since I was about 9. It isn't really a physical problem but more of a mental one, an anxiety problem I think. Is there anyone I can go to for free without my parents or anyone knowing?
 
I dont believe so till after your 18 because i believe doctors are required to call parents. I am not to sure but i think that is what will happen.
 
Minnesota is just like Canada (it's cold, there's lots of snow, and people like hockey), except for the lack of free healthcare.

Why don't you just do a google search for mental health care in your city?

Why can't your parents know? It's better to have them on your side.
 
Bah, no they won't, you could blame it on bad genes :D

I'm pretty sure I'm obsessive-compulsive, and I'm only sixteen. I've never really dealt with it though. It feels like the norm because I think I've had it all my life. Just little things like a small scratch on my computer really bug me.
 
Why not open your condition here? No one knows who you are and maybe we can help. The potential benefit will far exceed the risk.
 
Out of luck then :(
I think most places require a parent-signed form of some sort if you're under 18.

Not those guys that stand on the corner that the police always harass.

Try getting a therapist to prescribe you to something. Mine wanted to give me and thought was necessary adderall but I kindly declined.

EDIT: You might need parent's consent regardless, I'm not sure.
 
act like you got hit by a bus. Beat your self bloody, then run to your parents and tell them you think you might have injured your head. Blame it on the nearest bus station. This way its not YOUR fault your half retarded.
Sorry but with the information you have givin me, this is the best i could do.
 
Ok, I suffer from a condition where I can't pee in public restrooms when people are present or even sometimes I freak myself out so much that I can't go even when people aren't present.

I know this sounds stupid but I was bullied when I was 9 whenever I was in the bathroom by older kids and I just trained myself to never go in public restrooms. I have kept this a secret for my whole life.
 
Ok, I suffer from a condition where I can't pee in public restrooms when people are present or even sometimes I freak myself out so much that I can't go even when people aren't present.

I know this sounds stupid but I was bullied when I was 9 whenever I was in the bathroom by older kids and I just trained myself to never go in public restrooms. I have kept this a secret for my whole life.

There was a thread on that awhile back, was that yours?
 
Ok, I suffer from a condition where I can't pee in public restrooms when people are present or even sometimes I freak myself out so much that I can't go even when people aren't present.

I know this sounds stupid but I was bullied when I was 9 whenever I was in the bathroom by older kids and I just trained myself to never go in public restrooms. I have kept this a secret for my whole life.

ive heard about this before.. a couple times actually. has the problem ever actually been a problem or just a concern? im not sure if that made sense haha but what i mean is.. i choose to not use public restrooms so i could live without them.. have you been in a pressing situation where you actually need to use the public restroom and couldn't?

also do you get nervous that someone might be peeking over? or is it just the idea of having other people around?
 
It's been a problem. I am active, I do basketball, baseball, cross country, and go on road trips but sometimes I hold it for 20+ hours because I can't go. I just beat myself to death thinking about going in a restroom with people in it.

I don't care if people see my penis. I take regular showers in the YMCA, I don't care. It's just I can't go...
 
Why not ask your parents for a therapist without revealing your condition? You don't have to tell no one. Just tell them you need a therapy. Most parents would understand their teenage kids and gladly find a therapist. Or, talk to someone in your school about it in confidential and see how they can help you.
 
What you've described isn't that uncommon, to varying degrees. I had a milder form of it until going away to college made me have to go! ;) I spent my entire childhood waiting until I was home to go to the bathroom. But my situation was more a STRONG preference than a "HAVE to go at home," and I had times where I had no choice and could go. Sounds like you've tried and can't, right?

Anyway, so here's what I found:


From http://www.beachpsych.com/pages/cc68.html:
Paruresis - The Bashful Bladder Syndrome

In contrast to physiological conditions like prostatitis (inflammation of the prostate) that block the flow of urine, BBS is a psychological disorder that involves the urinary system. More precisely, BBS is a type of social phobia, meaning the paruretic is usually shy and fears being scrutinized or criticized by others when performing in public, in this case, urinating in a public restroom. The psychological conflict that generates this particular form of social phobia is expressed through the physical symptom of being unable to urinate whenever the person desires.

The experience of BBS varies somewhat from person to person; however, certain general patterns are evident. First, BBS occurs mostly in public restrooms, but it can also occur in the homes of friends and relatives, or even at home if visitors are nearby or a family member is waiting for the paruretic. Typically, though, she or he finds the home bathroom to be the only truly safe toilet, the only place where the paruretic is consistently able to urinate.

Second, BBS ranges in intensity from mild, in which the person can urinate in public facilities under certain circumstances, to severe, in which the person can only urinate when alone at home. Thus the degree of BBS hesitancy ranges from a momentary delay in initiating the process to chronic and acute retention. Most people occasionally experience at least some hesitancy in public restrooms, but this differs from BBS in the matter of degree and context. A person who every now and then must wait an extra second or two before being able to urinate is not a paruretic. Rather, BBS is often a life-long condition characterized by excessive hesitancy or a total inability to urinate. The problem also causes distress over everyday activities like travel, social engagements, long business meetings, and interferes in a significant way with the paruretics ability to carry on with these normal activities.

Third, most paruretics describe a personal comfort threshold required for urinating, whether in public facilities or at home. When this comfort threshold is eclipsed by too many negatives in a particular situation such as noise, odors, lack of visual privacy, and other people in the restroom talking, BBS kicks in and prevents the person from urinating at that time.

Typical Characteristics of BBS

What are some of the triggers for BBS? Paruretics most commonly refer to three triggers that influence them when in public restrooms. For the typical paruretic, these triggers must be removed, or the person must try another toilet for urination to occur on a particular occasion.

First, familiarity with other people present in the restroom can trigger BBS, with strangers usually (but certainly not always!) leading to greater inhibition than friends or relatives. Because of the personal nature of elimination, the degree of familiarity and perceived acceptance often determine whether or not the paruretic will successfully urinate.

Second, proximity plays a role in the problem. Proximity for the paruretic is both physical, involving the relative closeness of others in or near the restroom, and psychological, involving the need for privacy. The most frequent complaint about physical stimuli in public facilities is the absence of suitable partitions and doors on stalls. Many paruretics remark that they cannot urinate (or defecate) in a stall toilet if the door is missing. They feel embarrassed about their personal space being invaded visually.

Discomfort with lack of partitioning is central to the issue of perceived lack of privacy in public restrooms. Of course, the perception and need for privacy differ considerably across people. One individual is comfortable only at home with the bathroom door locked, while another is comfortable using a urinal in a crowded restroom. Paruretics tend toward the former.

Third, temporary psychological states, especially anxiety, anger, and fear, can interfere with urination. Social phobics who are overly sensitive about the sounds and smells they make while urinating are usually fearful of being criticized for such, which in turn arouses their nervous system. Also, excessive emotional states may explain why attempts to urinate under favorable conditions are often unsuccessful if the individual is overly excited or feels pressured to hurry.

Typical Behavioral Patterns

For some individuals BBS appears to start out of nowhere, but for most an unpleasant experience or group of experiences appear to precipitate the onset of the problem. In the case of the latter, after some negative event such as being unable to urinate in front of a nurse during a medical test, the individual begins to catastrophize; that is, he or she worries about being able to urinate next time he or she is in some type of public restroom. In this way performance anxiety, the key feature of social phobias, develops and becomes associated with urinating in the presence of others. The individual enters public restrooms with aroused sympathetic nervous system activity, which creates a level of anxiety that is incompatible with urinating. As each forcible attempt to control the process fails, increased performance anxiety due to mounting levels of sympathetic activity decreases the individuals chances of voiding at that time. In many cases this performance anxiety eventually generalizes to all or most public restrooms, so that the only safe toilet the person can reliably use is at home.

Generally, paruretics try to adjust to the problem by urinating as much as possible when at home and before leaving their home toilet, restricting the intake of fluids, and refusing extended social invitations. Most paruretics also perform a series of rituals, such as locating vacant restrooms whenever away from home, thinking of water when trying to urinate, and running the tap to optimize the chances of urinating under adverse conditions. Most commonly, though, paruretics cope by avoiding public restrooms at all costs.

HOW CAN I CURE PARURESIS?


Seek a medical evaluation before attempting to treat bashful bladder problem. Rule out a medical condition before diagnosing paruresis. However, a general rule of thumb is that if you can go at home when alone without a problem, but have difficulties in most or all social situations, then you probably suffers from paruresis.

The most commonly used treatment for bashful bladder involves the individual gradually attempting to urinate in more and more difficult locations. This treatment is usually called behavioral exposure therapy. Each session of exposure therapy involves several attempts at briefly urinating.


WHAT YOU CAN DO ABOUT PARURESIS

Concrete Steps

For those suffering from paruresis or who know of someone who suffers from this social phobia, there are things one can do:
Visit the website at http://www.paruresis.org and get the latest information about this anxiety disorder. There is a moderated discussion group accessible through the website, as well as a place to ask questions.
If you haven't done so, start talking to your loved ones, friends, relatives, and co-workers about paruresis. A very typical response is: Oh, I know someone who suffers from that, or even, You know, I have that problem too!

Join the International Paruresis Association (IPA), a tax-exempt, non-profit organization, to keep informed about the latest developments on the topic. The IPA, Inc. acts to educate the public, gather and disseminate useful information, and seek effective treatments for paruresis. Also, IPA can refer you to a cognitive-behavioral therapist to help you with your paruresis.
More than anything else, ongoing practice on a weekly, or even daily basis, will allow you to overcome or recover from your paruresis in a timely manner. Persistent, consistent practice is essential for improvement.

And here are the sites devoted to the issue: http://www.paruresis.org/ and http://www.shybladder.org/


Have you seen the A&E show "Obsessed?" It's about OCD, which is a different form of anxiety disorder, but they have cognitive behavior therapists who do the exposure therapy the article talks about. I would think that you'd need some sort of insurance--which means parental involvement--for professional care. Good luck.
 
Hmm that sucks. I suggest telling your parents about it even though you might think that your problem is stupid or something. At least, you get the help you need even if you need to jump through hoops with your parents to get it.
 
TSE! My advise to you is to talk with your parents. i have anxiety too and i tried to hide it and it did me no good at all.

You need the support of your peers, no one should think any less of you. Your only human.
 
You should be able to talk confidentially with your school's guidance counselor. You can ask him or her specifically if the conversation will be confidential, before you start. He or she should be able to tell you what your options are as far as getting help without your parents' involvement, or what your rights are in your state in regard to getting medical help without divulging details to your parents.

I know, though, that not all guidance counselors are good at what they do. :(. And if it's a small town where everyone knows each other, then it doesn't feel very confidential anyway.

There's probably somewhere you can call anonymously in Minnesota, to get information and / or help with this. Your local library will probably have an "Ask a Librarian" service that you can access by chat or email, and if your particular library doesn't, then just google "Ask a librarian minnesota" and a bunch of hits will come up. A service like that will be able to look up any free health care options for teens, and tell you if you can use them without your folks' knowledge.

And finally - for your folks to be able to do the best possible job as parents, they need as much info about what's going on with you as possible. Just so that's said. In most cases, it's best that parents are kept in the loop. But if you do end up having to tell your folks in order to get help, just do it. You may be surprised to find out that they DON'T think you're a loser. And if they do, well, they're wrong. Just remember that, and look on it simply as doing what you have to do in order to have a better quality of life.

Good luck. :) Let us know how it goes.
 
"Psycho-sematic auditory hallucinations. Some people have to pay for such a thing."

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You're name wouldn't happen to be Calvin would it?

In all seriousness, because I couldn't resist the joke, you need to talk to your parents. They can help I'm sure. And they should want to help you feel more comfortable in public.
 
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