You can use the old manual two finger method. I prefer the new automated no-finger method.
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76-Year-Old Gaston D'Aquino Latest to Say Apple Watch Saved His Life
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Doesn't mean the non-FDA approved placebo will get a successful reading because the band is too loose, too tight, sensor have problems with darker skin or tattoo, etc. which is a non-issue with the reliable two finger method.
Still waiting for an answer on how you want to use "the two finger method" to get results while asleep.
It’s not a placebo first of all. Whether you want to use the two finger method or Apple Watch to gauge your heart beat, chances are if you are under stress you wont be able to use the two finger method. While the Apple Watch will most likely be there for you with a fairly accurate heartbeat.
At least in my case the Apple Watch has a definite advantage of actually doing the check multiple times a day.
Already explained it but maybe you'll selectively see it this time. You go to your doctor to prescribe an FDA approved continuous monitoring ECG. Otherwise, the two finger method can be done when you wake up at night to use the restroom, take your meds, etc. Same as when the non-FDA approved placebo watch runs out of battery during the night.
Except the watch doesn’t fit the definition of a placebo, nor do you need to see a doctor to get a one time expensive monitoring device in a few days while you are having symptoms. Already explained that in a prior post as you have said.
Nobody who doesn't suspect something is wrong is going to get an ECG.
And even for someone who knows something is wrong, wearing an ECG for lengthy periods of times is highly impractical.
A heart rate monitor is not a placebo.
I charge my Apple Watch before or right after sleep. It doesn't take long.
If it's not a FDA approved continuous monitoring medical device then it's a placebo only adequate for fitness. To say otherwise is misleading, potentially dangerous and liable for lawsuit.
"Not sure what" I am "getting at"?
Please re-read with a little patience, the message is loud and clear.
The problem with modern people is they are taught what to think but not HOW to think.
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Well neither your Avatar picture of choice nor your logon name indicates a person qualified to work at such a level. When you are talking about coronary arteries, these principal blood supply tubes do not simply replicate. Please indicate for me just one human being in the history of the world who grew an extra anything.
No loud and clear message? Well I sympathise for your blindness but please, let me reiterate the point. There are three main coronary arteries that provide oxygen and nutrients to the myocardium (heart muscle). These include: the right coronary artery, left coronary artery and the circumflex artery. In this person, two of these were blocked and the third was functioning at 10%. So he only had 10% of one coronary artery functioning and the other 2 are blocked, so 10% of 33.3% = 3.33%. So this was the total blood supply flowing in his body when he received an alert from his watch. 3%. And he felt fine. Sorry but I do not accept this nonsense. I am an Apple fanboi though and I love Tim Cook but hey! I am calling them out on this one.
Ha, don’t judge a book by its cover. I like to have fun and joke around. Hilarious that you’re basing my qualifications on my avatar. But you might want to educate yourself before you start spouting off things you don’t know or understand. Simply google “collateral circulation” and maybe you’ll understand. But I’m guessing your mind is too closed to learn anything else new. Ignorance is bliss.
I don’t know if you are qualified but I’m a MD with a PhD in neuroscience and I work full time as a researcher and publish between 10 and 20 papers like that every year. I write messages on this forum very rarely but this time I felt compelled to reply due to my professional competence in the field. I like Apple, I have half a dozen apple devices, including the Apple Watch and I like all of them. However this article IS MISLEADING and I don’t think this case should be used to promote the Watch. It’s bad journalism. The Apple Watch detects spikes in the heart rate, that’s it. It’s not a certified device because no studies have been made until now. It is extremely likely that the Apple Watch at the present state would identify a huge number of false positives. The guy in the story went to a doctor in response to an alarm triggered by the Watch. The doctor found SOMETHING ELSE and treated the other condition that might have been potentially fatal. The article doesn’t clarify this point well enough. What happened it’s like if a person etas too much and has stomach pain. Then goes to the doctor and cancer is discovered. It’s luck!
That doesn’t mean that the Apple Watch can’t be useful but there is no need to mislead the public, which may be dangerous. The predictive variable for arrhythmias (not myocardial infarction), BTW, is not the hearth rate but the hearth rate variability (HRV). It’s not clear to what extent, if at all, the Watch measures it and how it uses it. If Apple is doing scientific research on that, it’s certainly a good thing but we need to wait for scientific evidence published on scientific journals. For now, there is none.
This is my google scholar page if you are interested: http://scholar.google.it/citations?user=8OAhU64AAAAJ&hl=it
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Somehow I think the article made that point, there was something else. The point that we can debate (probably endlessly) is what would have happened if the person had no notification of this event. IMO, that is all the article was trying to say. No different than randomly taking your pulse with your fingers, except that the Apple watch got there first.
"doctors conducted tests and discovered that two out of his three main coronary arteries were completely blocked, with the third 90 percent blocked"
As a third year med student I can tell you this is a lie. No chance that this man had no symtoms while his heart was almost completely devoid of oxygen. Sure, under certain circumstances some patients won't feel the typical symtoms of chest pain and radiating pain out through the left arm or up to the chin, but anyone would have certainly fallen to the ground instantly if this was true from heart failure.
As a third year med student I can tell you this is a lie. No chance that this man had no symtoms while his heart was almost completely devoid of oxygen. Sure, under certain circumstances some patients won't feel the typical symtoms of chest pain and radiating pain out through the left arm or up to the chin, but anyone would have certainly fallen to the ground instantly if this was true from heart failure.
It's the only way some people can feel good about themselves.
I just noticed ... how did we ALL not see this 76-yr Gaston is wearing his watch upside down on his right hand?
The crown is towards his own knuckles, meaning it's in the same position as it's supposed to be on his Left Hand. LMAO I cannot believe I didn't see this, had to zoom in to see it.
I’m sorry but I disagree. After reading your post I went back to re-read the article. It’s a celebration of the Apple Watch as a life saver. It even hints at a dead man that maybe would be alive if he had an Apple Watch. It also states that the man went to a doctor who prescribed him medication but didn’t detect the problem, implying that the Watch might be better than a doctor. It’s misleading and dangerous to report a story like this without some sort of technical and competent comment. If the emergency tomorrow is filled with people who have been alerted by their Apple Watch but are perfectly healthy, someone with a real heart attack may get less attention. Public health is a complicated business.
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We can debate this point ad-nauseum. Heart beat technologies have been around for how long and now it is mainstream. Maybe the article could have been written better, but it doesn’t help the bombardment with commercials singing the praises of drugs. Maybe the Apple Watch did save this one fellows life, but the horse has left the barn with this technology.
We have seen many promising medical technologies that proved to be completely worthless. The horse will have left the barn when we will know precise values of sensitivity and specificity of the watch warning system. Until then, it’s validity is equivalent to a coin toss. You might not like it but it’s the sad truth.
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If that if your takeaway from the article then you completely missed the point. No one is saying that the watch can replace a doctor. It alerted him to an elevated heart rate and told him to seek attention. He listened to it even though he was skeptical. They ran a test and found something. The watch motivated him to seek care from a doctor. Without the watch he does not seek medical attention. Based on their findings they caught something that likely would have lead to a heart attack. He describes this as saving his life. Nothing about this story was misleading or dangerous unless you only read the headline.
The "sad truth" is the poster above @bbednarz captured the essence of the response I would have given. These devices are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. And nobody has made any claim to the contrary.
I don't make any representations about qualifications, except an ability to read. The first thing I recognize about this article is, it was about this one individual and what happened to him. It wasn't a scientific study, nor was it represented as one. Further, Apple isn't making any claims here. They are certainly not claiming that Apple Watch is a certified medical instrument. In fact it appears they have steered well clear of making such claims, with the regulatory requirements they'd trigger. The sum total of the message I am getting here is, if your heart rate is spiky, you might want to have that checked out. Seems like reasonable advice to me. In any case I recall imperfectly that when Apple added this feature to watchOS that the warnings it was designed to supply were based on some published studies. So either way, I don't think they are being irresponsible here.
In terms of false positives, it hasn't been my experience that medical science is particularly concerned with them. Anyone who's been subjected to nuclear medicine (e.g., a PET scan) knows that false positives are practically the name of the game. They are so ridiculously sensitive you will almost certainly will be tested again, with an MRI or some such expensive and unpleasant procedure, which will likely find nothing. Been there. The theory and practice here seems to be, better a false positive than missing something. I actually had this discussion at some length with an oncologist. He finally admitted that the PET scans I was getting weren't really of much use and I'd do just as well with a much simpler and less intrusive CT scan.
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