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this is bad news for american consumers.

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what do you mean? I haven't seen any phone in california for 3 weeks.

With an alleged 8.5 million pre-orders for China alone, and something like 10 million opening weekend sales (and pre-orders) for the rest of the world, it isn't a certainty that the US is the largest market for iPhones any longer.
 
Actually yes I do. Look at the very limited stock here in the US for the last 3 weeks, their biggest market!. I understand they have to make lots of them but Apple really needs to come up with a better system.

Well, they can do what other companies do...make products that not as many people want ;)

People had no problem quickly getting a Zune.
 
With an alleged 8.5 million pre-orders for China alone, and something like 10 million opening weekend sales (and pre-orders) for the rest of the world, it isn't a certainty that the US is the largest market for iPhones any longer.

maybe it's time for Gov't to start operation depopulation.
 
Is it just me or doesn't it seem obvious that if apple staggers all their products (i6, i6+,iPad,etc) by about 3 months each they could have the factories running all year round and not have to worry about surges in production for multiple products simultaneously?
 
Is it just me or doesn't it seem obvious that if apple staggers all their products (i6, i6+,iPad,etc) by about 3 months each they could have the factories running all year round and not have to worry about surges in production for multiple products simultaneously?
For the most part, that's what they do.

October 2012 - Mac mini
February 2013 - MacBook Pro with Retina Display
November 2013 - iPad Air, iPad mini with Retina Display
December 2013 - Mac Pro
June 2014 - new 16GB iPod touch (previous 16GB iPod touch released in May 2013)
July 2014 - new MacBook Pro with Retina Display
September 2014 - iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus

As you can see, all major product lines have staggered launches across the year in different months. Those in the same category (iPhone, Mac, iPad) tend to launch at the same time for consistency.
 
not sure why some people think apple prefers people waiting to get their iphone. rather than alot of people just actually having and loving their iphones.
 
not sure why some people think apple prefers people waiting to get their iphone. rather than alot of people just actually having and loving their iphones.
It makes sense to a certain degree. To the public, it shows that there is a great deal of demand and that the product is highly desirable. Of course, there are companies like Leica that had a waiting list of several months for the M240, and it elevated the status even more.

But when it gets to several months for people to find iPhones, that's something that neither the consumers, nor Apple, a mass market company, wants.
 
It makes sense to a certain degree. To the public, it shows that there is a great deal of demand and that the product is highly desirable. Of course, there are companies like Leica that had a waiting list of several months for the M240, and it elevated the status even more.

But when it gets to several months for people to find iPhones, that's something that neither the consumers, nor Apple, a mass market company, wants.

yeah but consumers aren't going to want something that they won't be able to get.

I nearly cancelled my order. Don't wanna BEG apple to take my $1000.
 
Capacity also has a time component. If the first units start rolling off the line 3 months before announcement, they could easily have 10M units ready to ship on day 1. Having billions in product sitting around does introduce security issues, but everything else is just scheduling.
 
That's exactly right. It just doesn't make sense economically for Apple to invest in manufacturing facilities just so customers can get iPhones on release day for a few weeks out of the year. We've seen that at their current production rates, there are no shortages after the few initial months of a product's release.

Same thing applies to their servers for preorders. People wonder why they can't handle the load of millions of customers trying to order an iPhone all within minutes of each other.

I totally agree with this. The demand for the iPhone isn't going away. But if Apple were to lose volumes of customers to other markets, then maybe they would need to rethink ways to increase output at the factory(ies).
 
yeah but consumers aren't going to want something that they won't be able to get.

I nearly cancelled my order. Don't wanna BEG apple to take my $1000.

Then you don't truly understand the human race. That's the whole principal of Pavlov. Salivating for something you can't get easily or can't get at all. Most people don't give up. People will wait months for something great or what they feel is great in their eyes.
 
Then you don't truly understand the human race. That's the whole principal of Pavlov. Salivating for something you can't get easily or can't get at all. Most people don't give up. People will wait months for something great or what they feel is great in their eyes.

You got that right, I really don't understand humans. :p

You guys are right either way. If apple really wanted to sale in numbers, they wouldn't mark their products up so high.
It's just weird though. You can find old videos of Steve Jobs saying he wanted to make computers affordable and more easily available. Times change.
 
You got that right, I really don't understand humans. :p

You guys are right either way. If apple really wanted to sale in numbers, they wouldn't mark their products up so high.
It's just weird though. You can find old videos of Steve Jobs saying he wanted to make computers affordable and more easily available. Times change.

LOL. I sure would like you to show me that video Steve Jobs saying that he wants to make computers affordable. I've been a Mac user for 17 years and have never once heard him say that. In fact he always said his computers are not junk they don't make junk. Basically suggesting that they charge a higher price for a reason.
 
Am I the only one that is surprised by 8.5 million? I figured the scampers would have made a bigger dent than that.
 
8.5 million CHINA Pre-Orders

How can there be 8.5 million pre orders if there is only 7 million people in the world?


Google Now: what is the population of China?

Response: "As of 2013, China's population is 1.3 BILLION"
 
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If I owned a business I'd much prefer to sell a phone to everyone who wants one rather than having a backlog of customers who want one but can't get one.

I imagine Apple would agree with you. Trouble is that's not always possible at this scale without some very significant tradeoffs & costs. Especially when (relatively) few of those backlog buyers are really going to go anywhere else.
 
8.5 million CHINA Pre-Orders

yeah but consumers aren't going to want something that they won't be able to get.



I nearly cancelled my order. Don't wanna BEG apple to take my $1000.


Yep I'm on the fence if I even want it anymore. Waiting also allows people to change their minds and hear about problems with the device. I know of a few people that have cancelled their iPhone order and are going with a note 3 or 4 just because of the problems with the iPhone 6 and 6+. I see apples reasoning, but I think it is backfiring a little this time.
 
Partly yes, they never expect the demand of certain models like the gold iPhone 5s and the 6+.
True but they also overestimated demand of the iPhone 5c. Apple isn't clairvoyant. All they can do is make a best guess and adjust later production volume based on customer demand. :rolleyes:
 
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