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8-core Intel Xeon now standard??!!

DoFoT9 said:
oh, totally! apple have a slight influence on what intel produces i daresay, probably with frequencies and that - not really with the rest of the specs. you know how influential apple can be ;)
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Yes and no. Intel certainly listens, but Apple's requests wouldn't be the cheif decision criteria.

Generally speaking, it's the enterprise market, of which Apple is actually a small player. Higher core counts, higher efficiency (performance/Watt and so on). The desktops are trickled down from these (i.e. fewer cores per CPU), but the basic architecture does follow, such as QPI, power managment features, virtualization,... Frequencies are a result of technical reasons, such as architecture capabilities to produce stable parts and part yields (binning).

DoFoT9 said:
+30% of course hehe. im just not really comfortable with such a low powered octo core. as has been said there are still many many single core applications, they would run pathetically slow.
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It gave a cost concious Octad model.

Again however, such decisions need to be based on use, and if another model isn't in the budget (higher clock), a compromise must be struck (i.e. look at the single and multi-threaded workloads in terms of time spent).
 
nanofrog said:
Yes and no. Intel certainly listens, but Apple's requests wouldn't be the cheif decision criteria.

Generally speaking, it's the enterprise market, of which Apple is actually a small player. Higher core counts, higher efficiency (performance/Watt and so on). The desktops are trickled down from these (i.e. fewer cores per CPU), but the basic architecture does follow, such as QPI, power managment features, virtualization,... Frequencies are a result of technical reasons, such as architecture capabilities to produce stable parts and part yields (binning).
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intel and other CPU designing companies (IBM ;)) would be designing for the enterprise market mainly? and from that the general desktops CPUs come around. or do the general population bring in a bigger profit margin compared to enterprise?


It gave a cost concious Octad model.

Again however, such decisions need to be based on use, and if another model isn't in the budget (higher clock), a compromise must be struck (i.e. look at the single and multi-threaded workloads in terms of time spent).
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single threaded would be more at a guess. multi-threaded and multi-cored applications are slowly coming about, and are becoming more optimised, however we are still years away from all software becoming like that. CPU frequency still plays a big role in CPU development. maybe we will end up going back to 1GHz CPUs - but have 128, 256, 512 cores etc. that would be cool. imagine activity monitor!!! :p

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ildondeigiocchi said:
DoFoT9 said:
MPs + MBPs in the one day? idk...
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I don't think Apple will go out and release other macs in a few weeks time... seems unlikely. Plus in my opinion Mac Pros need an overhaul more than the MBPs do. Their GPUS are 3 years old for christ sake. LOL :D
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good point there. There has been a lot of hype around both machines, so who knows maybe both will see upgrades!

would be nice to have a good high end ati card for the mp. And a case redesign. Usb3.0? Probs not. Ah Well..
 
Good, so my 2009 Mac Pro is still the recent model for a few more days :D
I don't really care about the 2010 Mac Pro, but I really want its graphics card (Ati 5xxx, anyone? :))
 
DoFoT9 said:
intel and other CPU designing companies (IBM ;)) would be designing for the enterprise market mainly? and from that the general desktops CPUs come around. or do the general population bring in a bigger profit margin compared to enterprise?
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No, the enterprise market generates more profits.

Think of it this way. How many individual consumers buy more than one system at a time? ;) :p

DoFoT9 said:
single threaded would be more at a guess. multi-threaded and multi-cored applications are slowly coming about, and are becoming more optimised, however we are still years away from all software becoming like that. CPU frequency still plays a big role in CPU development. maybe we will end up going back to 1GHz CPUs - but have 128, 256, 512 cores etc. that would be cool. imagine activity monitor!!! :p
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Most software is single threaded right now, and would best benefit from higher clocks. But for those that also use multi-threaded applications, they can find themselves in a situation they have to compromise the solution to use it with both (ulitmately budget based).
 
nanofrog said:
No, the enterprise market generates more profits.

Think of it this way. How many individual consumers buy more than one system at a time? ;) :p
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point proven!!! :D ;)

Most software is single threaded right now, and would best benefit from higher clocks. But for those that also use multi-threaded applications, they can find themselves in a situation they have to compromise the solution to use it with both (ulitmately budget based).
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oh. really? most is single threaded? meaning that only one thread from the application can execute at one time? i thought heaps more would be multi-threaded, and less multi-cored. guess i was wrongs :(
 
DoFoT9 said:
oh. really? most is single threaded? meaning that only one thread from the application can execute at one time? i thought heaps more would be multi-threaded, and less multi-cored. guess i was wrongs :(
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The software development has always been behind the hardware, and the time lag is getting worse it seems.

Quad core CPU's have been around for 3yrs, and most is still single threaded. Some of it can't be multi-threaded (i.e reliant on user input, such as word processing), but the rest has been waiting on others to create standards and API environments available to them (i.e. OS support provided in SDK's, and OS's have been expecting code developers to create their own in the past). It's a lot of work, and it all seems like a "let's see who can blink first" type of scenario where everyone was waiting/expecting/hoping someone else would do the hard part. :rolleyes: So there's been a notable delay over and above the usual product cycles involved.
 
ildondeigiocchi said:
I think this was an advertisement from Apple made on the 2008 Mac Pros when the base system was a 8core 2.8GHZ Mac Pro. You then had the option to choose quadcore if you wanted but 8core was almost standard that is until 09's pulled up.
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it was. this was the phrase they used in their marketing blurb (alongside octo core tower of power :eek:)
 
Techhie said:
Well, I managed to jump on it before some other lucky soul got it. $1,800 for a 2008 2.8 GHz octad, wondering if I'll be tempted to sell it for profit when the '10s come out, it will all depend on the hardware involved, I guess...:rolleyes:
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It's a good machine, and will do what you need. So there's no real reason to try and sell it to get a 2010 model IMO.

I don't think the cost of a 2010 would suit you anyway, given previous posts and PM's. ;) :p
 
nanofrog said:
It's a good machine, and will do what you need. So there's no real reason to try and sell it to get a 2010 model IMO.

I don't think the cost of a 2010 would suit you anyway, given previous posts and PM's. ;) :p
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I don't know which guy you are thinking of, but I'm pretty sure we've never exchanged PM's :rolleyes:

The only problem with the machine is the GT 120 he threw in, and I need the machine to do graphics and photography work on two 30" displays. I would go the GTX 285 route, but I refuse to pay $450 for a mediocre graphics card. I have to take into consideration I still have RAM and SSD upgrades to work into the budget, through everything is unsure because I haven't decided to keep the machine or sell it :p
 
Techhie said:
...sure we've never exchanged PM's :rolleyes:
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Though we had. :eek: :p

Techhie said:
The only problem with the machine is the GT 120 he threw in, and I need the machine to do graphics and photography work on two 30" displays. I would go the GTX 285 route, but I refuse to pay $450 for a mediocre graphics card. I have to take into consideration I still have RAM and SSD upgrades to work into the budget, through everything is unsure because I haven't decided to keep the machine or sell it :p
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Fortunately, such upgrades would be transferrable though, including the RAM. :)

BTW, why not a 4870?
You could even use a PC version if you're willing to deal with flashing or injectors.
 
nanofrog said:
Though we had. :eek: :p


Fortunately, such upgrades would be transferable though, including the RAM. :)

BTW, why not a 4870?
You could even use a PC version if you're willing to deal with flashing or injectors.
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Not sure how 800 MHz FB-DIMMs could go into a '10 MP without throttling the system? The 4870 is nice, however I want to have room to expend with another (yes, I know) 30" display if I want it, without buying a $100 adapter. Besides, everyone is telling me to wait until the Radeon 5xxx series comes out, and $350 is still a bit much to spend on an outdated middle-of-the-road GPU.

About the flashed models, I dealt with that a few years back in my Hackintosh days, and have the kext-shaped battle scars to prove it. I'm trying to avoid unnecessary complications, and it seems like that would be a likely source of them.
 
Techhie said:
Not sure how 800 MHz FB-DIMMs could go into a '10 MP without throttling the system? The 4870 is nice, however I want to have room to expend with another (yes, I know) 30" display if I want it, without buying a $100 adapter. Besides, everyone is telling me to wait until the Radeon 5xxx series comes out, and $350 is still a bit much to spend on an outdated middle-of-the-road GPU.
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i agree. wait it out.

About the flashed models, I dealt with that a few years back in my Hackintosh days, and have the kext-shaped battle scars to prove it. I'm trying to avoid unnecessary complications, and it seems like that would be a likely source of them.
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how many sides does a kext have :confused: :rolleyes: :p

i have thus far had no problems with kexts and my hack (for GPU based stuff anyway). research and ye shall be rewarded. :D
 
Techhie said:
Not sure how 800 MHz FB-DIMMs could go into a '10 MP without throttling the system? The 4870 is nice, however I want to have room to expend with another (yes, I know) 30" display if I want it, without buying a $100 adapter. Besides, everyone is telling me to wait until the Radeon 5xxx series comes out, and $350 is still a bit much to spend on an outdated middle-of-the-road GPU.
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I was thinking you picked up an '09. Been a long day.

But since it is an '08, no the RAM won't transfer. But you still have a really good machine.

Techhie said:
About the flashed models, I dealt with that a few years back in my Hackintosh days, and have the kext-shaped battle scars to prove it. I'm trying to avoid unnecessary complications, and it seems like that would be a likely source of them.
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Kext files aren't a problem with the 4870, as they're natively in OS X. It's getting a card that has a ROM capable of containing the EFI code that's the hard part (assuming the flash method is used).

Once it's done successfully, they don't have any issues from what's been posted. It's the 4890's that require a little more work with OS X updates.
 
DoFoT9 said:
i have thus far had no problems with kexts and my hack (for GPU based stuff anyway). research and ye shall be rewarded. :D
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Yes, But I come from an age where there was no easy-click solution to enable QE/CI, and my hands were buried in elbow deep in white lego blocks (the shape of kexts, btw :p). I don't want to have to do that sort of tinkering again, especially considering one of the main reasons I'm running vanilla hardware is for simplicity. If I wanted to go down that road, there would be an i7-extreme box sitting on my floor :D
 
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