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8-Core Mac Pro In January? Displays Too?

Multimedia said:
I'm not making a prediction. But I won't be surprised if the next Mac Pros all have HDMI i/o built in. In fact this may be a new and consistent feature of all the 2007 post Leopard Mac refreshes. The new upcoming not quite yet shipping Panasonic AG-HSC1U 1/4" 3-CCD 16:9 AVCHD PROLINE™ Camcorder with HDMI Interface and 40GB SD Store Drive is coming out of the Broadcast/Business division and it has no FireWire port.
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That camera's HDMI output would be for uncompressed video. Anyhow, it's very likely that the camera uses USB to transfer the video data.

HDMI would be useful for a live feed. But feeding recorded material by HDMI to capture with your Mac would be a great waste of time and resources. Just transfer the data as data and transcode to the trusty Apple Intermediate Codec.

I found another link. http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Panasonic-Unveils-AG-HSC1U-First-AVCHD-Pro-Camcorder.htm
 
Fixed The Link To Panasonic

Rod Rod said:
That camera's HDMI output would be for uncompressed video. The link you posted didn't work. Anyhow, it's very likely that the camera uses USB to transfer the video data.

HDMI would be useful for a live feed. But feeding recorded material by HDMI to capture with your Mac would be a great waste of time and resources. Just transfer the data as data and transcode to the trusty Apple Intermediate Codec.

Ok, I found the link. http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Panasonic-Unveils-AG-HSC1U-First-AVCHD-Pro-Camcorder.htm
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I fixed that link. My bad. Wow did I ever overlook this for a 40 days. I'm embarrased. :eek:

Yes it's USB2 for data transfer. Or perhaps there'll be an adapter to get the data off even faster through the SD's native port.
 
Multimedia said:
I fixed that link. My bad. Wow did I ever overlook this for a 40 days. I'm embarrased. :eek:

Yes it's USB2 for data transfer. Or perhaps there'll be an adapter to get the data off even faster through the SD's native port.
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Thanks for fixing the link! I sort of doubt there'll be a special SD-port-using adapter, because to what would it adapt? The most likely candidate is USB2.

What would be a huge selling point for me is if this camera had time-of-day timecode, a.k.a. free run timecode. That would rock.
 
Multimedia said:
Looks like AVCHD will never be as good as HDV due to it's current maximum bitrate ceiling of 24mbps - just short of HDV's bitrate of 25mbps or DVCPRO HD's even higher bitrate. This is getting confusing.:confused: :eek:
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The bitrate thing doesn't denote quality. AVCHD has a theoretically better codec (H.264) than HDV (MPEG2). All the difference will be in the implementation. If AVCHD is done well with a great encoder chip in the camera, with all other things being equal (CCD/CMOS, optics, etc.), AVCHD should be higher quality than HDV.

DV's bitrate is 25mb/s but I prefer HDV.
 
88 min/4GB AVCHD vs. 18 min/4GB HVD

Rod Rod said:
The bitrate thing doesn't denote quality. AVCHD has a theoretically better codec (H.264) than HDV (MPEG2). All the difference will be in the implementation. If AVCHD is done well with a great encoder chip in the camera, with all other things being equal (CCD/CMOS, optics, etc.), AVCHD should be higher quality than HDV.

DV's bitrate is 25mb/s but I prefer HDV.
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While that sounds great, they are listing a recording rate of 88 minutes/4GB SDHC card vs. about 18 minutes of HVD on DV tape. That level of compresson seems like it's gotta be a LOT worse looking than any HDV could possably look doesn't it?

Wouldn't that be about 5mb/s? . :confused: :eek:
 
OK, so on that camera, you can only record 4GB at a time, and then you have to transfer it to the external drive? that seems a bit......redundant to me! Why not just stick the drive in the camera?? Sure it would a a slight bit of weight and size, but for the convienience, wouldn't you give that up?

I'm not a big fan of the palm cams anyway. Multimedia, I know you are, but if I'm going to show up to a gig or a shoot, and I pull out that little thing, I'm gonna get some funny looks. I'd rather have a regular sized HD DV cam a la PC-170 style to have the feel of something solid I'm working with. But that's just me.
 
BiikeMike said:
I'm not a big fan of the palm cams anyway. Multimedia, I know you are, but if I'm going to show up to a gig or a shoot, and I pull out that little thing, I'm gonna get some funny looks. I'd rather have a regular sized HD DV cam a la PC-170 style to have the feel of something solid I'm working with. But that's just me.
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It looks more to me that he's into anything that gets the job done, big to small, at least that's my interpretation. I think a pro's tool chest can easily accomodate a few different sized cameras to fit the task.

If you want a PD-170 size camera, then I'd suggest looking at Canon's A1 or Sony's V1. I'd be careful to watch the brand, Sony has an A1 too, probably a bit too small for your desires.
 
Thanks!

I have been looking at those, but with these new Mac Pros coming out, and all of my still photo equip, I'm not gonna have any money to spend on a Video camera!

I really want one though :)


(And I have read elsewhere that MM really likes the small cameras, cant find where though ;) )
 
Why I Dislike Larger Cameras Than Palm Size

JeffDM said:
It looks more to me that he's into anything that gets the job done, big to small, at least that's my interpretation. I think a pro's tool chest can easily accomodate a few different sized cameras to fit the task.

If you want a PD-170 size camera, then I'd suggest looking at Canon's A1 or Sony's V1. I'd be careful to watch the brand, Sony has an A1 too, probably a bit too small for your desires.
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I'm a documentarian. As such, the bigger the camera the harder the gig. For me it's about intimidation. Anything bigger than a TRV-900 size camera is perceived by my subjects as a real video camera that they don't want to be near. Only when I am down to the tiniest size do they ignore me or forget that a camera is in the room.

I have a Canon XL-1 - have had since the week it shipped. I hate it. Nothing could give me more trouble. What a headache. So I think my style of shooting is probably quite different than those here who are proponets of the camcorders that are bigger. BTW I started with the VX-1000 and wrote the first publsihed review of that camera for DV Magazine back in Fall of '95 - Published in February '96 issue. I shot with the VX-1000 for years until the Canon XL-1 shipped. My favorite DV Camera is the TRV-900. Works like a dream. Wore out the heads. So now you have an idea of why I like smallest possible.

I perceive both the Canon A-1 and Sony V1 as too big for my work. Those size cameras SCARE my subjects into silence or worse yet they yell "Turn that camera off!"
 
Multimedia said:
100% YES With Absolute Metaphysical Certainty. :p NO DOUBT.
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That might be a bit strong MM :)

The MacPro 8way did not arrive in January. The displays did not arrive in January.

It seems this thread is still going :) I wonder iof HDMI is going to be an I/O standard considering PCIe is now not only an I/O standard with external connector on planned Apple units, but also connectable to a solid state disc with maximal system I/O.

Rocketman
 
Anxiously Awaiting

I started to get a Mac Pro as my own christmas present. I then read here about the octocores and started drooling and have been lurking and reading everything new posted and can hardly wait. I am on an old G4 450 Mhz. I do a lot of photography work and custom graphics in photoshop and GraphicConverter. I also do 3D design work. I usually have many programs open and monitor my servers also I monitor my video chat services I run.
I am so tired of waiting on effects, renders or filters to process, not being able to send live vid and chat or to listen to the tunes served from my servers.
I should have bought a new machine long long ago.
What my worry with getting a brand new otco is if the thru-put is going to be much faster then a quad core thats cheaper and more bug free. I know it will be smoking compared to mine now. I want to get one the moment they are released but then caution makes me want to wait till the tests are published from independent sites.
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Home Stretch - T-Minus 21 Days And Counting

Now I'm not predicting anything. Just reminding everyone we MIGHT get the 8 core announcement in conjunction with the April 15 11AM PT NAB Apple Event three weeks from exactly now. Let's hope for the best. Maybe we'll get lucky and Apple will throw us a bone. ;)
 
ATI Will Launch the R600 23-24 April in Tunisia

With NAB 15 April and the new ATI Radeons being launched on 23-24 April perhaps we will see those lovely cards shipping with the new Mac Pros.
 
patrick0brien said:
-Multimedia

Well, in a nutshell, the R600 is due to become this year's prosumer "bichin'" video card. AMD/ATi is being very Apple-Like in their secrecy, but here are some clues...
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The short of it is... It's late.. it's another DX 10 card.. it'll use DDR4 memory so it's currently beating Nvidia 8800GTX BUT they benchmarked it on pre-release Nvidia drives (Nvidia was way late with Vista support). Even with crappy Nvidia drivers, the ATI was 10% faster but it's going to cost more than 10% more. 10% advantage can easily disappear with driver optimizations. The 8800 is also massively parallel so it's likely DX9 games don't begin to take advantage of it.
I'm kind of unimpressed.

It'll be a great chip, Its cards will use nearly 300Watts !!, I'll never buy one.
Now, the 8800GTS is still a bitchin card and it can be had for about $270.

ffakr.
 
Quads

Multimedia said:
Now I'm not predicting anything. Just reminding everyone we MIGHT get the 8 core announcement in conjunction with the April 15 11AM PT NAB Apple Event three weeks from exactly now. Let's hope for the best. Maybe we'll get lucky and Apple will throw us a bone. ;)
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At this point, I'd be shocked if Apple doesn't ship quad-cores.
Intel has no supply problems, in fact they're going to be ramping up 45nm production lines soon.
NAB is also the one forum where Apple is prominent where they have the best audience for quad-core processors. HD Video editors will eat them up.
For pervasively threaded apps (like video editing software) users will see a significant performance jump even at slower clock speeds and the best price is, component costs will be the same for Apple (and hopefully for consumers).

Of course Multimedia knows most of this. ;-)
 
How about this:

New 8-Cores this Tuesday to go with the new CS3, they come with a free 10.5 upgrade which is released at NAB, with FCP 6 and Extreme


:D
 
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