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8-Core Mac Pro In January? Displays Too?

Multimedia said:
I'm thinking it's a long shot, but some posts insist it will happen tomorrow. Any thoughts? :confused:
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Well, pro machines at 8 cores, iMacs at 4 cores (with a new design), new displays, Apple Phone, iLife 07, mac pro mini tower, iTv, iWork with the spreadsheet app, the small 12" MBP, the tablet mac and a lollypop for each at the end.

Some are going to be VERY dissapointed tomorrow...
 
man, all this excitement... it's like christmas eve or yom kippur if you're jewish. gosh... my nipples hurt.
 
Watch Out For HDMI I/O Ports Built Into The 8 Core Mac Pro

Thanks to Blackmagic Design's new $249 Intensity HDMI PCIe card with On-Air 2.0 and their other new $995 DeckLink HD Studio™ HDMI PCIe card, the new Canon HDV Camera line WITHOUT HDMI outputs is officially REJECTED as instantly OBSOLETE - otherwise known as DOA - and an unacceptable choice. :eek: :p :D :)

From the Intensity product description page:
HDMI Quality

Unlike analog connections, HDMI is the new digital standard appearing in the latest cameras, televisions and video projectors. HDMI is fully digital and has no video compression, so it doesn't suffer from any image degradation. Unlike DV and HDV FireWire based video standards, HDMI allows deeper bit depths, and full color resolution, eliminating banding and contouring problems in high quality video. HDMI is found on the latest HDV cameras such as the Sony HDR-HC3.
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Goodbye Canon and thanks for crappy shortsightedness on your crappy engineering department's part trying to gouge us $3,000 for something Sony's already including in their sub $1k consumer cameras - uncompressed high definition 1920 x 1080 digital video via HDMI OUT.

Hello to whomever puts HDMI out with manual audio gain IN in the next round of Prosumer cameras. The Sony HC3 has no audio input port nor manual audio gain. So that would be the new Sony HVR-V1U with HDMI Output for about $3500 or the Sony HDR-FX7 Prosumer version of that camera for as low as $1219 already. Thanks Sony for getting it right the second time around.
 
*Sigh* :rolleyes: No updated Mac Pro. Hopefully we will hear something in the next week or so. I need to purchase one sometime in the near future.

When was the Mac Pro released? Was it June or September?
 
Redneck1089 said:
*Sigh* :rolleyes: No updated Mac Pro. Hopefully we will hear something in the next week or so.
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Is there any real chance of that? Have they ever released stuff during or immediately after MacWorld but not mentioned it at the keynote?
 
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who was waiting for the 8-core announcment. My guess is the safe money is on a release date in the spring, most likely coordinated with the release of leopard.

Oh well, the iPhone is pretty cool... but I won't be getting one of those for some time either! :(
 
PmattF said:
Is there any real chance of that? Have they ever released stuff during or immediately after MacWorld but not mentioned it at the keynote?
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I'm not sure about Macworld specifically, but there doesn't need a major event to announce the Mac Pro updates. The MBP updates were quietely rolled out in October. Since the Mac Pro's came out in August, they are due for an update soon.
 
I was waiting on one to come out too, im studying 3D computer animation and in my final year and have some major rendering to do and was hoping for the 8 core mac pros, i got about £2500 and with the educational discounts i could have bought one hec of a machine.

Oh well

:(

.....hope they come out soon.
 
Multimedia said:
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From the Intensity product description page:Goodbye Canon and thanks for crappy shortsightedness on your crappy engineering department's part trying to gouge us $3,000 for something Sony's already including in their sub $1k consumer cameras - uncompressed high definition 1920 x 1080 digital video via HDMI OUT.
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The data going over the HDMI wire is umcompresed but the Sony camera is recording to tape using JPEG2000. (wavelet based compression.) The data are compressed as it is written to tape and then uncompressed and sent over HDMI or sent as-read from the tape over Firewire.

Saying HDMI is uncompressed is true but it is exactly like saying the audio inside my iPod headphone cable is uncompresed. Who cares if it is stored as 128Kbps AAC files
 
I Was Referring To Recording From The LIVE HDMI Output Not From HDV Playback

ChrisA said:
The data going over the HDMI wire is umcompresed but the Sony camera is recording to tape using JPEG2000. (wavelet based compression.) The data are compressed as it is written to tape and then uncompressed and sent over HDMI or sent as-read from the tape over Firewire.
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The compressed HDV output is only from the FW port not the HDMI port during recording to HDV Tape. Playback of course both ports spit out decompressed HDV C**p.
ChrisA said:
Saying HDMI is uncompressed is true but it is exactly like saying the audio inside my iPod headphone cable is uncompresed. Who cares if it is stored as 128Kbps AAC files
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That's not what I wrote.

The Recording Medium Is A Mac Pro HD Raid Array NOT HDV Magnetic Recording Tape.

You misunderstand my meaning. I am talking about recording from the LIVE HDMI output to a Mac Pro HD RAID in studio and live event conditions NOT to the HDV Tape nor getting HDMI output from a HDV tape playback. Completely different meaning. :rolleyes:

Did you read the Blackmagic Design Intensity Page's explanation of what I am writing aobut? This means being able to use cheap HDV cameras that have HDMI outputs on them LIVE NOT for recording HDV tapes (except perhaps as a crude and hopefully never to be used backup) to the live recording we are making to HD RAIDS inside Mac Pros from those live HDMI outputs.
True HDMI Digital Connections

Intensity features HDMI-in for connecting to cameras and digital set-top boxes for the highest quality capture. Get higher quality capture from HDV cameras by capturing direct and bypassing the HDV compression chip, for high quality video, captured direct from the CCD. Because edit software cannot play back to HDV cameras for monitoring, Intensity is ideal to use for monitoring uncompressed HD or HDV and even DV edits on the latest big screen televisions and video projectors by connecting to the built in HDMI-out.
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Everybody knows HDV tape is going to be c**p compared to the LIVE native HDMI uncompressed output. I thought I explained that in my post above but I assumed everyone would go to the Blackmagic Design site to get the details.

This is a revolutionary LIVE video capture and recording system for cheap access to uncompressed HD - little if next to nothing to do with the fact these cameras can record HDV.

I'll be talking in person to the Blackmagic people tomorrow at MacWorld Expo and report more when I get back Friday night. But as far as I can see this is a HUGE LOOPHOLE in the pro HD recording acquisition cost of entry the pro manufacturing groups probably never envisioned.
 
Blackmagic Design Uncompressed HD Via HDMI Out From Both Live & HDV Tape

Spent the last several hours with the Blackmagic Design folks. I'm writing this from the show press room. The executive summary is as follows:

It is possible to use the Sony Compression-Decomperession Chip that immediately follows the 1920x1080 capture CCD(s) or CMOS(s) but precedes the HDV section of HDV camcorders with HDMI output to get uncompressed 4:2:2 video from those cameras into a Mac Pro and soon dual core G5 PowerMacs with PCIe as well.

The Intensity HDMI i/o PCIe card for Mac Pro and soon dual core g5's (bug in the firmware) will include a three camera solution by NAB using three cards - one for each camera - to be called On-Air 3.0.

The uncompressed HDV can come best from live and almost as good off the HDV recordings - including all HDV recordings made on non-HDMI out capable camcorders - i.e. all HDV recordings since day one. What comes out the HDMI port bypasses the entire HDV section of the camcorder and comes directly from the capture processor off the tape in true 1920x1080 instead of 1440x1080 that the HDV section outputs from the FireWire port. The HDMI output is true 4:2:2 uncompressed HD and as it goes into the Mac Pro and soon Quad and dual core G5 PowerMacs, a superior codec is used to reduce the file size but provide much better frame accurate rendering of the recordings than can be garnered from the FireWire HDV signal.

I want to get back to the show so I'll stop here. I think the Blackmagicdesign Intensity solution is one of the the most exciting revolutionary engineering achievements in the history of video communications.

I wonder if the 8 core Mac Pro will have HDMI input(s) added to it. You need to fill up all 4 PCIe slots for the 3 camera On-Air 3.0 live studio switching system.
 
Multimedia said:
Spent the last several hours with the Blackmagic Design folks. I'm writing this from the show press room. The executive summary is as follows:

It is possible to use the Sony Compression-Decomperession Chip that immediately follows the 1920x1080 capture CCD(s) or CMOS(s) but precedes the HDV section of HDV camcorders with HDMI output to get uncompressed 4:2:2 video from those cameras into a Mac Pro and soon dual core G5 PowerMacs with PCIe as well.

The Intensity HDMI i/o PCIe card for Mac Pro and soon dual core g5's (bug in the firmware) will include a three camera solution by NAB using three cards - one for each camera - to be called On-Air 3.0.

The uncompressed HDV can come best from live and almost as good off the HDV recordings - including all HDV recordings made on non-HDMI out capable camcorders - i.e. all HDV recordings since day one. What comes out the HDMI port bypasses the entire HDV section of the camcorder and comes directly from the capture processor off the tape in true 1920x1080 instead of 1440x1080 that the HDV section outputs from the FireWire port. The HDMI output is true 4:2:2 uncompressed HD and as it goes into the Mac Pro and soon Quad and dual core G5 PowerMacs, a superior codec is used to reduce the file size but provide much better frame accurate rendering of the recordings than can be garnered from the FireWire HDV signal.

I want to get back to the show so I'll stop here. I think the Blackmagicdesign Intensity solution is one of the the most exciting revolutionary engineering achievements in the history of video communications.

I wonder if the 8 core Mac Pro will have HDMI input(s) added to it. You need to fill up all 4 PCIe slots for the 3 camera On-Air 3.0 live studio switching system.
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Can we stay on topic here? If I wanted to read about HD video cameras, I'll go to the Digital Video forum.:mad:
 
brisully said:
Can we stay on topic here? If I wanted to read about HD video cameras, I'll go to the Digital Video forum.:mad:
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Agreed. I was a little taken aback when I saw this very long-winded, technical post about Digital Video in my inbox. What perplexed me even more was when I realized it was in the 8-core Mac Pro thread. :confused:
 
brisully said:
Can we stay on topic here? If I wanted to read about HD video cameras, I'll go to the Digital Video forum.:mad:
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He can't make new threads so he has to reply to these topics about the 8 core Mac Pro (A pro machine, which uses pro hardware which is what he is talkin about).

View his profile and look at the last time he made a thread. :p

Sticking to the topic...I think sometime in the next few weeks we will see an 8 Core Mac Pro. I will probably be wrong because I thought back in November that we would no doubt get our hands on an 8 core and that didn't happen.
 
Intensity PCIe Cards Are For 8 Core Mac Pros Too

FF_productions said:
He can't make new threads so he has to reply to these topics about the 8 core Mac Pro (A pro machine, which uses pro hardware which is what he is talkin about).

View his profile and look at the last time he made a thread. :p

Sticking to the topic...I think sometime in the next few weeks we will see an 8 Core Mac Pro. I will probably be wrong because I thought back in November that we would no doubt get our hands on an 8 core and that didn't happen.
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8 Core Mac Pro will be the best way to take advantage of the Intensity - On-Air 3.0 solution so I thought I was on topic. Sorry. :)
 
any updates or new rumors?

I am very disappointed in Apple for not releasing the 8 core Mac Pro during Mac World. Iphone is nice but it isn't shipping till June.
 
I Gave You The Short Winded Version

Multimedia said:
8 Core Mac Pro will be the best way to take advantage of the Intensity - On-Air 3.0 solution so I thought I was on topic. Sorry. :)
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appleintelrock said:
Agreed. I was a little taken aback when I saw this very long-winded, technical post about Digital Video in my inbox. What perplexed me even more was when I realized it was in the 8-core Mac Pro thread. :confused:
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That was the Short winded version. :eek: :p :D :)
 
Don't you think we'll have a macpro update soon ?
My source said to me "not prior april-may", it was 3 weeks ago...I'm afraid
he/she was right.
I really need to buy a very very powerfull mac now or at the beginning of february max...
What do you think, guys ?
 
MrTed said:
Don't you think we'll have a macpro update soon ?
My source said to me "not prior april-may", it was 3 weeks ago...I'm afraid
he/she was right.
I really need to buy a very very powerfull mac now or at the beginning of february max...
What do you think, guys ?
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Unless you are writing and compiling software of your own that depends on threads and symetric multiprocessing, I don't think that waiting is going to buy you any more computer with the additional cores.
 
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