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apolloa said:
But is that just to use Face ID to open your app, or will it also mean your bank will not support Face ID for Apple Pay linked to one of your accounts?



Yeah exactly, Apple demoed it... shake they have yet to mention a single bank that will support Face ID and Apple Pay with their accounts, let’s see what the guy above says?



Well unless you have the power to change capitalism and the world at large then yeah, get used to your personal data being used as a commodity and stop complaining about it already. Because I doubt you have the power to change the world in that way.
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The actual bank app to login to your account. I don't believe they have control over apple pay with the faceid. That is controlled by Apple.
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Vermifuge said:
Thats not how it works.

When an iOS developer wants an app user to authenticate they can't specify how that authentication is performed. They use code that asks iOS to perform that action. Apple calls it "Local Authentication framework."

This code ignores the method used for authentication. The developer never knows whether TouchID™ or FaceID™ is used for verification. ANY app that supports TouchID™ will automatically support FaceID™ on the iPhone X.

Basically this means if an app already support TouchID™ The app will already work with FaceID™ App developers don't need to do anything special to enable this. Conversely banks will have to stop using biometric identification all together as the only way to stop FaceID™ being used thereby disabling TouchID™. This scenario is unlikely to happen as it would upset current customers of those apps.
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Hmm, not true. The app has to support it. Just like on Android, Apps don't support the Face ID now, and only use touchID. My developers already said they aren't going to support the face ID and I believe them.
 
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RumorsReal said:
Hmm, not true. The app has to support it. Just like on Android, Apps don't support the Face ID now, and only use touchID. My developers already said they aren't going to support the face ID and I believe them.
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This is not how Apple is marketing. The poster you replied to is saying what Apple is saying.
 
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RumorsReal said:
Hmm, not true. The app has to support it. Just like on Android, Apps don't support the Face ID now, and only use touchID. My developers already said they aren't going to support the face ID and I believe them.
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https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208108

"Apps that already support Touch ID will automatically support Face ID."

https://images.apple.com/business/docs/FaceID_Security_Guide.pdf

"Third-party apps can use system-provided APIs to ask the user to authenticate using Face ID or a passcode, and apps that support Touch ID automatically support Face ID without any changes."

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/localauthentication

Example of how the code is implemented...

I mean i'm sure you have some skilled developers, but I'll take Apple's word on how biometrics on the iPhone X actually works. saying something is 'not true' doesn't automatically invalidate the statement. You're using hearsay to argue against stated facts by the creator of the technology.

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nrvna76 said:
This is not how Apple is marketing. The poster you replied to is saying what Apple is saying.
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Thank you! That's exactly what i'm saying
 
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bopajuice said:
Not complaining at all or expecting to change capitalism. My issue is with the comments here making it sound like Face ID is some sort of magical solution that will forever change the world. If I had a complaint it would be about the ridiculous over the top fanboy comments. It's a phone. A feature on a phone. It won't cure cancer or change the world. Sorry.
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That’s the truth, but if we didn’t wwaaayyyy overthink these issues with phones, none of us would be on here?

RumorsReal said:
The actual bank app to login to your account. I don't believe they have control over apple pay with the faceid. That is controlled by Apple.
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Hmm, not true. The app has to support it. Just like on Android, Apps don't support the Face ID now, and only use touchID. My developers already said they aren't going to support the face ID and I believe them.
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Thanks for the reply, nice to know that, so a user will need to use their pin to access your banks app? Or Touch ID.
 
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apolloa said:
Thanks for the reply, nice to know that, so a user will need to use their pin to access your banks app? Or Touch ID.
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What that user told you is false. Apple themselves have already stated that anything that uses TouchID now will automatically be set up to use FaceID. The UI just changes from asking for TouchID to FaceID depending on which device you’re on.

If an app supports TouchID it will automatically support FaceID when the X is released.
 
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I’m still not sure why people are complaining about something they haven’t ever used. Just because something has been conjured up in your mind doesn’t mean it is reality. I would think FaceID is a pretty good replacement for TouchID, or Apple would not have used it after the years and money spent on TouchID.
 
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iSayBoourns said:
What that user told you is false. Apple themselves have already stated that anything that uses TouchID now will automatically be set up to use FaceID. The UI just changes from asking for TouchID to FaceID depending on which device you’re on.

If an app supports TouchID it will automatically support FaceID when the X is released.
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We will see if that is true once the phone is released. Neither you or I know that is false or true.
 
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RumorsReal said:
We will see if that is true once the phone is released. Neither you or I know that is false or true.
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Just a thought, Maybe take those documents I linked to your employer's dev team and ask their opinion?

P.S. you don't have to lift up the phone. As illustrated in my previous post and in the documentation i linked.
 
RumorsReal said:
Again, you don't know till you test it.
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Don’t know what? That you can even go look at the API and see for yourself that there is nothing required by any developer to support FaceID if they already support TouchID?

There’s nothing to test. Apple have literally spoken the words out of their mouth on stage and in interviews, it’s in the API itself.

I really can’t fathom how you keep denying facts.
 
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iSayBoourns said:
Don’t know what? That you can even go look at the API and see for yourself that there is nothing required by any developer to support FaceID if they already support TouchID?

There’s nothing to test. Apple have literally spoken the words out of their mouth on stage and in interviews, it’s in the API itself.

I really can’t fathom how you keep denying facts.
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There’s no point in wasting your energy. Notice they have systematically avoided directly replying to any of my posted facts? Or even my suggestion of taking this “new” information to his employer’s dev team?

You know the drill Don’t feed the trolls and all that.
 
Vermifuge said:
There’s no point in wasting your energy. Notice they have systematically avoided directly replying to any of my posted facts? Or even my suggestion of taking this “new” information to his employer’s dev team?

You know the drill Don’t feed the trolls and all that.
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You know what they say. Don't always trust what people say on the web. Everyone thinks they know it all.

I'll wait to see it work. Apple has said stuff like that before and gotten proven wrong.
 
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RumorsReal said:
You know what they say. Don't always trust what people say on the web. Everyone thinks they know it all.

I'll wait to see it work. Apple has said stuff like that before and gotten proven wrong.
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Download Xcode and try it yourself. theres no doubt about it. it's how all iOS developers program for biometrics.
 
RumorsReal said:
You know what they say. Don't always trust what people say on the web. Everyone thinks they know it all.

I'll wait to see it work. Apple has said stuff like that before and gotten proven wrong.
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Oh boy, you can’t actually be serious...

This is not “people on the web.” This is official Apple Developer documentation officially posted on their website officially detailing how the APIs of authentication officially work.
 
AceFernalld said:
Oh boy, you can’t actually be serious...

This is not “people on the web.” This is official Apple Developer documentation officially posted on their website officially detailing how the APIs of authentication officially work.
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It’s pretty much impossible to tell if he/she is serious anymore.

Here’s what I’m picturing of that member when being told repeatedly the facts.

https://media.giphy.com/media/2dcW1Dlu2sZnW/giphy.gif
 
EezyE said:
I’m still not sure why people are complaining about something they haven’t ever used. Just because something has been conjured up in your mind doesn’t mean it is reality. I would think FaceID is a pretty good replacement for TouchID, or Apple would not have used it after the years and money spent on TouchID.
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Good points. And what others likely don't know or consider, is the amount of time and money invested from research and development with Face ID to ensure millions of consumers security will be safe knowingly this method was thoroughly tested.
 
Kulfon said:
Folks, this is photo related question.
Currently have 6s. Wanted to get better IQ. I was sure I am going to get the X until it was announced it will not have touch it and will have face it. No go!
So I am left with 8 vs 8 plus. I like the portrait mode. Is it only availble with 8 plus? Plus is large for me.
Another option is to use 1000$ for a compach camera.
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Kulfon said:
Yes, I am. There are many things that I did not try in life to know they are wrong for me. Too much tention around X....production issues, privacy and security concerns, delays, etc
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When threads get more attention than they deserve.
 
Kulfon said:
Yes, I am. There are many things that I did not try in life to know they are wrong for me. Too much tention around X....production issues, privacy and security concerns, delays, etc
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Are you worried that the X is actually more secure than the 8? I don't get it
 
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