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The Stella Liebeck case was pretty aberrational, actually. Most people who sue over hot food or drinks don't win anything. Why the case is viewed as so aspirational or worthy of devotion never has made much sense to me.
Most people do not get served food that can cause 3rd degree burns in a couple of seconds on their skin and require skin grafts. Of course most restaurants probably look at changing their policies after getting over 700 similar complaints and paying out over half a million in those cases.
 
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Sorry but your view on our history doesn't represent the facts. Using the argument that they weren't as bad as others is laughable. Does it matter that you're family would of been killed worse under another group of people? Was it better that their land was taken by a LESS brutal occupier? LoL.... I bet the 4000 Cherokee that died on the Trail of Tears were thinking just that. (that happened in 1838 because President Jackson decided they needed to move off their gold rich land in Georgia so the state could have that money and land). I'm not judging the past by modern standards, I am judging them from a human, non animal, non American with blinders on standard.


I blamed America for it's past and nothing more.


I meant the early european settlers AND the established US government. Again you use the argument that those stated above were not as bad as others that did the same... My rebuttle remains the same.



I am stating the facts of our history. You choose to debate my facts with the argument that every nation came to be in such a manner. You are arguing a point I didn't even bring up or believe and you tell ME not to be that guy? YOU should try harder.


Read the thread and discover for yourself.



Because you must not have read the origin of this discussion and don't want to take the time to find out why, I'll tell you. A poster spoke of the good ol days in America when the people were not greedy and so forth but now it's so bad.... I simply educated him how greed has ALWAYS been a part of the American past. FaroZ06 asked me how this was the case, I offered proof of our history (that isn't in debate) and he and others including you brought us to the point we are now.

Guys, the facts of our history are just that.... facts. They are not in dispute, not up for debate they are however up for interpritation. It's like the difference between a battle and a massacre. The American government/people called the battle at Little Bighorn a Massacre yet called the killing of women and children at Sand Creek a battle. One was clearly a battle of 2 fighting forces and one was clearly a massacre of women and children. The facts are there for all to see yet the interpritation of those facts are different depending on who is doing the reporting. (heck, hitler denied the jewish holocost yet we had ELECTED officials/military men calling for (and carrying out) the genocide of Indian tribes yet we don't judge those elected officials/military men as harshly as we do hitler. Why is that?)

I see no need to further this as it has gotten way off the OP's point. I do however ask all to learn the FACTS of our history and not the story you were taught in school.


Yes, there's nothing like self-righteous indignation to get the blood flowing. This is a luxury I can no longer afford. So you can be right, I'd rather be at peace with the world. Especially, since no person has the intelligence or all the needed facts of world history to make the judgements you make, and even if you could you can't change the past anyway. So enjoy your youthful righteousness while it lasts. It doesn't last that long.:)
 
Wow, people will sue for anything these days.

What if you sue a company 9000 times (literally) for random things? Rather than hiring a lawyer, which they always seem to need, would they settle out of court and give you free money?
 
People really need to take responsibility for their own actions. This is a blame everyone else society that clogs the court system with frivolous lawsuits. I won't mention the greedy lawyers, "ambulance chasers" that get involved with these kinds of people. Remember the hot coffee lawsuit that McDonalds had to deal with? Now we have warnings on coffee cups "Caution Hot Beverage" next thing we'll have warnings in our shoes "Danger tripping hazard" god give me a break, people are idiots! :mad:
 
Who wants to bet that the legions of posters trumpeting personal responsibility in this thread would also be the first to go running to a lawyer if they stubbed their toe? ;)
 
People really need to take responsibility for their own actions. This is a blame everyone else society that clogs the court system with frivolous lawsuits. I won't mention the greedy lawyers, "ambulance chasers" that get involved with these kinds of people. Remember the hot coffee lawsuit that McDonalds had to deal with? Now we have warnings on coffee cups "Caution Hot Beverage" next thing we'll have warnings in our shoes "Danger tripping hazard" god give me a break, people are idiots! :mad:

All warning signs/tags/phrases do is eliminate Darwinism.

I don't know if it's true, but I read somewhere where a guy put a drill up his nose to get at an itch. Then he hit the trigger.

He sued the company because the drill didn't "tell him" not to put it inside of his body.

It's just like the hair dryer and tub warning. At some point... thin the herd.
 
Perhaps claiming for the medical expenses for her nose would be fair...But claiming $1 million damages is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not sure if that is her or her lawyers decision, but either way the greed is appalling.
 
Apple should sue her for lost revenue. Old people like that kill sales. Just ask Sabre about their Pyramid tablet.

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What's next? Blind people start suing because there aren't motion sensors and warning sounds that they are about to run into a wall?
 
People really need to take responsibility for their own actions. This is a blame everyone else society that clogs the court system with frivolous lawsuits. I won't mention the greedy lawyers, "ambulance chasers" that get involved with these kinds of people. Remember the hot coffee lawsuit that McDonalds had to deal with? Now we have warnings on coffee cups "Caution Hot Beverage" next thing we'll have warnings in our shoes "Danger tripping hazard" god give me a break, people are idiots! :mad:

Yes, oh yes, we do remember that case, it has dominated the last 20 pages of this thread. I suggest you educate yourself on what actually went on in that case.
 
Yes, oh yes, we do remember that case, it has dominated the last 20 pages of this thread. I suggest you educate yourself on what actually went on in that case.

Whatever Lennhole, get over yourself :eek: we know americans love to sue, so go ahead and sue me:mad:
 
Here's another lawsuit filed by a self-declared victim*. The young blonde Texan who walked into a spinning propeller and lost her left eye and hand and some brain matter is suing.

*I was looking for a word the last three letters of which are t-i-m for my username; I'm glad I thought of verbatim and not victim. Although victim cookies might actually be delicious.
 
The fact that Apple put stickers on the windows shows they know there is a problem. (At least their lawyers do). Not everyone can be as smart as Apple fans. So if the doors are hard to see for 80+ citizens they need to be changed.

I feel the amount she is asking is WAAAAYYYY high. But the case is a ok. She will get an out of court settlement.

No lawyer will sue a rich company for only $1000. You always go big and let the judge set the number.

Whoa, whoa, back up the train - what did she think was going on? The Apple Store DIDN'T HAVE A WALL OR DOOR AT ALL??!!?!?

There's no problem here. MILLIONS of people walk in and out of these stores every year and don't injure themselves any more than at any other public venue.

Would she sue her little city if she fell off the curb and broke her ankle? Unlikely.

Bottom line - this REEKS, and it turns my stomach that it MIGHT settle out of court - that ultimately means that, at some level, my iPad gen 6 or MacBook Air, spring 2014 release - will cost more than it should.

Weaksauce.

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Just because i hate when people parrot the "McDonalds lawsuit" as if it was actually all that frivilous (it really wasn't): http://www.legal-news-california.tozerlaw.com/mcdonalds_coffee_case.html


I respectfully pooh on this.

The spirit of that lawsuit, regardless of ANY details, was "I'm going to ignore the obvious fact that coffee is hot, and go after the big bucks."

Reminds me of a guy that was ALMOST my father in law (dodged a few bullets there, but that's another night at the bar...) telling me of how he crabbed at the manager of a local fried chicken joint because he wasn't 15 feet away from the drive-thru window when he suck his chompers into a hot-grease laden thigh and burned his mouth to high heaven. I asked him if he would have complained if it wasn't hot enough when he got it home to his family, to which he replied, "Of course." I asked him, then, EXACTLY what the hell did you expect?

Putzes, all of them.

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Not in a world where people need a warning signs to survive. Nowdays people have to be told that hot water can burn your skin, glass can brake your nose or head if you try to go through it. I don't know about US but most countries in Europe serve coffee at a boiling point and people will try and if it's too hot will wait for it to cool a bit and also they will try to prevent themselves from having a shower with it. It's a blody common sense.

I do hate it when my nose is told to slow down.
 
Here's another lawsuit filed by a self-declared victim*. The young blonde Texan who walked into a spinning propeller and lost her left eye and hand and some brain matter is suing.

*I was looking for a word the last three letters of which are t-i-m for my username; I'm glad I thought of verbatim and not victim. Although victim cookies might actually be delicious.

Another link that's lacking in information. Why was she allowed to disembark while the propeller was still in motion anyway? Even in small planes that isn't normal.
 
More than half the stores in that shopping area (Americana Manhasset) have glass doors!
 
People really need to take responsibility for their own actions. ... Now we have warnings on coffee cups "Caution Hot Beverage" next thing we'll have warnings in our shoes "Danger tripping hazard" god give me a break, people are idiots! :mad:

Bad analogy.

All shoes are what you called "tripping hazards", but not all drinks are hot. Matter of fact, these days you have iced coffee, so not even all "coffee" beverages are hot. So it's wise not only to differentiate beverage containers for safety reasons, but include labeling as well. A typical order might include both an iced coffee, a Coke, and hot coffee - so the latter should be easily visually distinguishable from the others for safety purposes, labels and warnings included.

Apple is taking this seriously about the placement and number of white stickers on their glass -- this surely will be part of the lawsuit, as I said earlier.

In the McDonalds case, part of the settlement included McDonalds re-issuing larger warnings on all future hot coffee cups even though warnings had existed prior to the lawsuit. Fact.

I'm still of the opinion personal responsibility plays a key role in all of this, but certain common sense safety measures ARE necessary in consumer foods and services. It's not as idiotic as it seems!!!

-jim
 
Do you actually know what a "3rd-degree burn" is?? It's where you burn the skin so much that it damages the epidermis (surface), dermis (main layer) *and* the subcutaneous fat below. 3rd-degree burns result in blackened, charred skin that can not heal, and typically required large amounts of skin to be removed and replaced with grafts. This kind of burn is the sort of thing that happens to people who get stuck in a burning house for a long time, not people who spill a hot liquid on themselves. Coffee, no matter how hot, will evaporate and cool off long before it can cause that kind of damage. I'm betting the worst you could get from spilled coffee is 2nd-degree, and even that would have to be some pretty damn hot coffee...

No.

1. The lady sued for just her damages in that one. The reason she got more was the jury felt McDonald's needed punitive damages. But she wasn't trying to make money off of McD's, she just wanted her medical bills paid. This was not a case of some one just trying to make money.

2. This was not the first time McD's had gotten in trouble for coffee so hot it caused *3rd degree burns* (We're not talking about a ow, that's hot. We're talking about hot enough to burn the skin off of you).

3. Coffee that causes 3rd degree burns (not even to the mouth which is more sensitive but on just tougher skin), is not fit to drink! They are selling something that is supposedly fit to drink ;).

Now, I'm all for getting outraged at ridiculous sue cases (like the drunk idiot who hit a boar while riding his motorcycle and sued cause they didn't put a boar crossing sign - gee, you are supposed to be on the lookout for wild animals crossing the road period and you were drunk too so who is to say it wasn't the fact you weren't fit to ride is the problem, wild animals happen. Or the thief who sued and won cause the dog in the house bit him).

And I used to use that one as my prime example. But honestly, once some one pointed out the facts, I don't think it's such a blatant example.

Oh, for the people pointing out how fast she must have been walking, she's an 80 year old woman. Sorry, you get old, you break easily.

Not to say I think she should win. Just saying that the reason she broke her nose was probably more cause she was fragile rather than going fast (in fact, for most of us we'd probably be like that guy some one saw who ran into the door and his friend got a laugh. If she were younger, it probably would have resulted the same as that).

And I'm honestly not sure if she should win (I'd have to see the door she ran into honestly and what it was marked with), but I am sure she shouldn't get more than just her medical bills covered if she does win.

Though to be honest I've never had an issue figuring out whether the doors are open or closed at my closest Apple store. And I can be the kind that's walking so fast that if everything doesn't go to plan I end up crashing in the door (like managing to miss the handle when I reach for it that I run into the door cause it didn't open when I expected to have it open by, but I'm a clutz ;) ).
 
Do you actually know what a "3rd-degree burn" is?? It's where you burn the skin so much that it damages the epidermis (surface), dermis (main layer) *and* the subcutaneous fat below. 3rd-degree burns result in blackened, charred skin that can not heal, and typically required large amounts of skin to be removed and replaced with grafts. This kind of burn is the sort of thing that happens to people who get stuck in a burning house for a long time, not people who spill a hot liquid on themselves. Coffee, no matter how hot, will evaporate and cool off long before it can cause that kind of damage. I'm betting the worst you could get from spilled coffee is 2nd-degree, and even that would have to be some pretty damn hot coffee...

Are you saying the lady faked her 3rd-degree burns? You should report your "facts" to the court since they obviously don't know what you know.
 
Haven't seen this asked yet. If she was there to return a phone, isn't it likely that she was there before to buy it?
 
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