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I dont think its just the price you pay for being an early adopter. 200 dollars far exceeds that in my opinion. Three months of use does not equal 200 bucks. I have never felt so betrayed by a company I use to love so much. I will never again buy an apple product. This is coming from a die hard mac fan of 20 something years.

What should Apple have done?

When they realized that the iPhone was a success and that future sales volume would likely allow them to produce and sell iPhones for cheaper and still remain profitable, should they have artificially kept the price high as a "thank you" to early adopters? Early adopters who should have been responsible consumers in the first place and for whom $200 should not be a hardship, I might add?

Or should Apple somehow have known how successful a completely new product was going to be in a completely new and highly competitive market and start out pricing the iPhone for high volume sales?

Or should Apple give a 100 million dollars back to people who are already overwhelmingly happy with their iPhones and who willingly and enthusiastically shelled it out to begin with?

Look, Apple took incredible risks with the iPhone, and by buying one yourself in the early days, you accepted those risks too. Apple combined brand new hardware, software, and a completely different interface in a new device in a fierce market in which they've never done business before, and they've apparently pulled it off with great success.

And it might not have worked out that way at all. If Apple had sold just 25,000 iPhones in the first two months, they might have been faced with the decision of having to scrap the product altogether, and then all the early adopters, myself included, would be stuck with a dead-end phone. Instead, it looks like they're going to sell millions of them, and that their very bold move is going to pay off for a long time.

I knew going in that these were both possible outcomes among many, and that not knowing which of these was going to actually occur was just the risk of being an early adopter. You should have known this too. You had enough information available to you on the day you bought your iPhone to know that there were risks involved, including potentially buying a dead-end product, or one that needed to be radically redesigned due to shortcomings, etc. Fortunately, neither of these things happened. So you can blame Apple and "protest" by refusing to by their products ever again if you want to, but you're just depriving yourself of using incredibly innovative products from a company that is willing to take huge risks, which sometimes requires some patience and adaptability from its early adopter customers.
 
wow, so much to say that's already been said

this is absolutly hilarious. all you people who paid 5-600 for the iphone, deal with it. your money is gone, not coming back and guess what, you STILL have the world's greatest phone. life's not too bad, eh? beats starving in sudan while watching your family get shot. if $200 means so much to you you're looking at lawyers and promising never to buy an apple product again, man, you need a financial advisor, not a really expensive phone, no matter how amazing it is.

with nokia's iphone knock off coming whever it comes, apple is positioning itself withing the nokia price point. 400 for the iphone now . . . no one can touch that if they hope to create their own version from scratch and still make a profit after development costs mount up. once they start going for world wide distribution, 10 million iphones sold by 08 will be a ridiculous underestimate. apple reinvented the cellular world and now they're finacially securing their position. brilliant move by jobs et al. any apple loyalist swearing off apple is full of it and needs to come back to earth. grow up, shut up and move on, and most importantly, enjoy your freaking iphone for what it is no matter what you paid for it.
 
I understand that this thread is populated with a lot of whiny people with too much disposable income and no common sense. Oh, and they don't take responsibility for their mistakes.

Except the person waaaaay back in the thread that said "I'll never buy a first generation apple product again". They've learned.

I can't wait 'til November! :D

I think that the feeling that has been stated (better by others admittingly), is that the price has been discounted so soon after launch, something not done in the past. This doesn't include updates where real value was added and a reason for a price adjustment. The only thing that has been pointed out similar to this case is the aperture release, which was followed by a refund.

That said, I bought one on release day. I am on the fence. I would ask for a refund, but not going crazy for one (that being said, I already got one). I don't blame people for wanting a refund or having a bad taste in their mouths, but some are taking it to the extreme.

To each their own, its the internet.
 
Instead of throwing insults at people for expressing their frustration, take a step back, breath, and try and understand their point of view. It might help.

Their point of view is one of entitlement, therefore I don't put any value in it. Apple is a business, not a branch of a welfare program. The people here complaining are trying to make themselves out to be victims when it was they who were cavorting about with their phones for the past two months. Yeah, I feel *real* sorry for them.
 
This is foolish..lets stop the bickering

Guys...its set in stone. 1000+ post isn't going to change anything.

The Truth is its over and nothings going to happen. Do you seriously think that Jobs is going to come out tomorrow and say.. "hey guys....sorry about jipping you 200 bux, so heres a free copy of leopard and were going to raise it back up a 100 dollars."
^^ NOT GOING TO HAPPEN..its basic economics

Should Apple have dropped the price 200 bucks? Yes..but so soon? Yes...It was expected for the holiday season.

The iPod Touch which is 399 would now mean ppl would have to pay 200 bucks (assuming customers would want to buyt the 8GB) more for phone functionality plus service plan after service fan for basically the same thing without the phone. They would have seen significant drops in iPhone sales after this product. (I myself would get a touch, if the iPhone did not come down in price.

PLEASE STOP THE PICKERING. This site is seriously deteriorating. Please do not take out your anger out on others that had the patience to wait. Your just mad at yourself for being an early adopter.

It's Over. Nothing's going to change.........for now.
 
That said, I bought one on release day. I am on the fence. I would ask for a refund, but not going crazy for one (that being said, I already got one). I don't blame people for wanting a refund or having a bad taste in their mouths, but some are taking it to the extreme.

To each their own, its the internet.

Could you tell me, did you buy through AT&T or the Apple Store, and how did you go about getting the $200?
 
Don't you guys think that now they'll release a 16GB iPhone for $499 in a couple months?
Yep, it's going to happen.

And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see it. SJ already showed this during the presentation. See the missing price?
 

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I used to work at an Apple store and can attest to the fact that the retail managers do have a fair amount of leeway when it comes to satisfying customers. The stories told by people about getting some amount of compensation ring true, but this won't be the case for everyone and there shouldn't be the expectation that Apple is obligated to offer you some sort of compensation, monetary or otherwise.
I understand that Apple store managers have now been authorized to compensate disgruntled early iPhone adopters with Christmas hams well in advance of the holiday season. Hats off to Apple - usually they don't start handing out hams until well into October. Of course, in order to get your ham you have to ask for it. But starting tomorrow, most retail locations should be well stocked, and suddenly a $200 premium for early adoption doesn't seem so bad now does it?!
 
won't somebody think of the employees?!

i suppose all the apple store employees who were given a $500 gift should now be given a $200 check since their $500 iphone is now worth only $300 . . . sad day, man, sad day.
 
Imagine being in our shoes for a moment. Imagine purchasing a 24" Core 2 Extreme iMac for $2299 on August 22, only to see Steve Jobs stand up today and say "Hey! We're discontinuing the 20" and low-end 24" models and will be selling the high-end 24" model for $999. The EXACT SAME model, not a new edition or anything, the EXACT SAME one we were selling yesterday for a lot less...and all you idiots who bought one before August 23 are screwed!"

This is a false analogy. The iMac is a mature product with a much more well-understood customer base and relatively easy to forecast sales numbers. The iPhone is a totally new product line with a radically different user interface in a competitive market that Apple's never done business in before. It's completely reasonable for Apple to have tested the waters among willing early adopters (myself included) and then adjust the pricing model as real sales numbers came in.

You tell me - how should Apple have arrived at their initial pricing scheme, assuming that you apparently want to hold them to it regardless of what actually happens in the marketplace?
 
Could you tell me, did you buy through AT&T or the Apple Store, and how did you go about getting the $200?

Bought two on release day in Oregon from apple store in pioneer place.. Someone on here said that lynnwood, wa store (alderwood mall) was doing refunds regardless of the purchase date.

I called to verify (20 minute drive) and they said they were and it was the store managers policy. I went there, got both mine refunded and left happier.

The person who refunded me was a regular store employee, not a manager. She even remarked if I was there for a return on the phone. When I inquired if this was a company wide rule, she said she was pretty sure it was. I said that another store I called before I came up wouldn't do it. Then she said, well its our policy.

I was happy to get it.
 
I didn't hear any PS3 users crying about the price drop for them, my friend even bought his 3 weeks (just out of being able to return it) before the price drop and he didn't care.

I would be in that camp! I didn't utter a single frickin wimper.
And you know why? I was GLAD Sony dropped the low end and lowered the price on the high end! I knew that move was going to get more people adopting the PS3 than if Sony sat there and did nothing. And what does more people using the product mean???? BETTER SUPPORT AND TECHNOLOGY GROWTH!!!!!

Apple is doing the same right now with the price drop. There is going to be a clearing of 4GB models that are still in stock and an influx of 8GB models flying off the shelves now. What does that mean? It means that Apple has just increased their user base. That is GREAT news for Apple.

People are screaming that if Apple "knew they could sell those iPhones at that price why didn't they do that from the beginning"? Simple answer, they couldn't back in June and July. Why not? Glad you asked! The iPod touch hadn't been released yet. The Touch uses many of the same parts and manufacturing processes used in making the iPhone.

Now that the Touch is being released Apple can spread the cost of materials/manufacturing across the board better. Knowing this, would you really want to keep paying $499 and $599 for an iPhone that you know they can sell to you for $399???

Apple is being GRACIOUS right now in dropping the price. Think back to when the iPhone came out. The companies that always dismantle technology to get the component costs did their thing on the iPhone and came up with a price of $200-220, not including manufacturing costs. (go ahead and check my source: http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/02/teardown-reveals-iphone-parts-cost-two-bills/)

So now factor in that they probably have tripled their component orders to keep up with Touch and iPhone orders and that means $$$ discount from the vendor.

Jeez, everyone is always hoping that Apple can get a good discount on Intel chips so that they can lower the cost of the Macs but when Apple gets a good discount on iPod/iPhone materials and they lower the price, or in the case of the iPods NOT EVEN RAISE THEM, people scream foul. What's up with that philosophy.

Oh and BTW, Apple should NOT give rebates back to early adopters. When the first Nano's came out the scratched all too easily, when the first PM G5's with Liquid Cooling came out the leaked all over and when the first iMac G5's came out there were problems with the fans. You take your chance no matter what being an early adopter, this time though the burn was in price and luckily not in quality of the product. Because that would have been more detrimental to Apple.
 
Oh, please -- all you iPhone-wannahave smack mouths -- you didn't expect this shocker. I've worked my butt off to be able to afford an iPhone. I've been expecting it for a whole f 7 months since Jobs showed it off on January this year. I especially chose the 4G iPhone just because another extra $100 would mean I value greed over life necessities like rent. You have to admit, this premature price murder did surprise some of you f dolts. Even your slimiest wishes for your iPhone-owner friends didn't scratch this vile move by Apple.

Now, stop using this "technology-business-model" BS which you tie up as you being "smart and patient lol!1!" while iPhone owners are raving frenziacs who can't see a foot ahead. We all expected a price drop eventually. Nobody argues against it. Otherwise, we wouldn't have purchased the iPhone to begin with and would have waited -- kind of like you chimps.

However, apple has done the undoable because it's so unbelievably abrupt and sharp; and those premium fees for enjoying a new technology sooner? Yeah, my @SS.

A company, especially one held in high business standards like Apple, just can't trash it's most loyal fan populace and new comers by obsoleting one version of a brand new released product and then insanely chopping the price off from the other within merely 60 days past a first time ever launch.

They should have kept the exact same initial price, if not maybe $49.99 less. But Apple revealed its' greedy corporate-kock that aims to get 10 million users by next year, by all means necessary. And then you go, "but Maximus, legally they can LOL!1!" Yes, chimps, legally they can -- but ethically it's pure garbage. Like your faces.

Besides, 60 days after, as in today, you too are falling in the "First Time Adopters" title. So doesn't all that prove that first 46 days owners totally deserve reimbursement, little chimps? If Apple doesn't come forth with a fair reimbursement, I whole heartedly hope all of you mockers will get mugged.
 
Mod note: Please keep it civil. If you're not mature, pretend to be. This is my second note in this thread. If I add a third, it'll be to close the thread.
 
Yep, it's going to happen.

And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see it. SJ already showed this during the presentation. See the missing price?


Yeah, I think I'll wait, maybe the 16gig iPhone will be here before Xmas. That would be great at $499.
 
Ok so the phone is cheaper we al know that and for that has apple clowned us ?? no for 400 bucks you have a device that is far superior to any other device on the market . so for a hundred bucks I ahve enjoyed mine about two months longer. Great product and a great company . Cant wait to see what is ahead and I am 54 year old geek .

andy

You're 54 years old and you write like that?

:rolleyes:
 
what about the current high-bidders for iphones on eBay right now?

Sorry for them :D

I was one of the people who originally thought the iphone was overpriced.. but if i was one of those high-bidders, i wouldn't pay.. sure, i'd be blacklisted by ebay or reprimanded or whatever but i ain't paying, sorry.
What's ebay gonna do?.. arrest me?
 
This is all about selling a Million iPhones by the end of this month. Steve wants to corner the market.

He wants to get as much as people tied to that AT&T 2 year contract before other phones come out that may compete with the iPhone.

He wants to dominate the Smartphone market just like he dominates the mp3 player market.

I am upset, but it comes with the territory of always wanting the latest and greatest...:(
 
I am on hold w/ Apple right now waiting to "voice" my displeasure with this price drop screwing all of the loyal early adopters.

How is this screwing any of you? They aren't taking more money out of your pocket, more money than you committed to spending back in June-July.

Apple drops new iPod Videos (classic now). All those who bought an 80gb ipod a few months ago could've gotten them $100 cheaper now. $100 off $350 is a comparable percentage price decrease and I don't hear anyone having a hissy fit about that.

Seriously, sack up and own up to your decisions. You knew this would happen. It happened sooner than expected, but whats the differance between now and six months from now??? Can't you just be happy for the people who can afford it now. And for you, it'll be much cheaper when you have to buy a new one after you drop it, step on it, lose it, spill you frappachino on it (i'm sure you'll piss and moan to a manager at an apple store about that too).
 
i suppose all the apple store employees who were given a $500 gift should now be given a $200 check since their $500 iphone is now worth only $300 . . . sad day, man, sad day.

No. They were given their iPhones. They were gifts that cost them nothing. We paid damn good money for ours. I wanted to get the 8 gig but they ran out 3 people before I got in the door. I got the now defunct 4 gig instead. Now, for 100 bucks less than what I paid, I could have twice the storage.

It is complete and total crap and we shouldn't have to stand for it. Yes, we decided to pay the money for it then because no one expected the price to drop that much that quick. Apple not only used their us as beta testers, but we were also their free advertisements. We defended Apple and the high price they charged. We are now laughingstocks. They used us, plain and simple. Is a rebate/refund/gift card so much to ask? I think not.
 
Please do not take out your anger out on others that had the patience to wait. Your just mad at yourself for being an early adopter.

I am an early adopter. I have no regrets. I'm glad that Apple has lowered the price. Instead of being an elitist snob, I will have more iPhone carrying friends. I didn't buy the phone to be special, I bought it because I saw it's value.

Go Apple!
 
Those of you complaining about the "whiners", especially those who are repeating Jobs' party line about this being the "price of technology", really need to step back and take a look at this situation with a more critical eye.

This price change is not due to technology advancing, no matter what Steve says. There was not a new, better model introduced at the original price, with the feature sets just trickling down as they usually do with Apple products. No advancements have been made to the product line at all. This is simply Apple lowering the price to both a) make the item price competitive with the iPod Touch, and b) try to sell as many iPhones as possible during the coming holiday season.

Apple executives mention in this article that the price drop had been planned "long ago". In short, Apple knew that they were going to drop the price on the iPhones as part of their sales strategy before it was even released.

This blows out any hope Steve Jobs' statements have of ringing true.

The issue here is that Apple products define themselves by being products people love. For their ease of use, their attention to detail, for the notion that Apple "makes product we ourselves want to use"; this is their strength as a company, and it is why they have such an evangelical fanbase. People sell their friends and neighbors on Apple products because the experience is great, but also because we all support the philosophy behind making this end user experience painless. We all know Apple is a company, but they seem to be the only company that is actually on the side of the user.

With this move, however, they have quite shamelessly revealed an abuse of that customer loyalty. They've openly said "all of you passionate users that love our company, that support our products, that encourage people you know to buy our products and switch -- we're going to take advantage of you. And then we're going to tell you to your face that you need to suck it up."

Apple priced the iPhone high to give it the aura of a luxury item, and to reap maximum profit from the customers that were willing to pay for it. Apple, and Jobs, justified the original cost of the iPhone in the media, knowing full well they would be dropping the price later.

It was a con game, plain and simple. Apple showed the cold mechanical business apparatus behind their image, and for many of us, that conflicts with the feelings we have about the company in the first place. It conflicts with many of the reasons we like the company philosophically.

Lately, Apple has liked to position themselves as the friend of the consumer in opposition to the "evil record companies". About six months ago there was a story that surfaced, how the musician Trent Reznor had been on tour in Australia, and was shocked to find his latest album was priced at almost twice the cost of other albums on his label. He spoke to a Interscope/Universal exec about this, and was told the label charged more for his records because they knew his fans were passionate and loyal enough to pay it without question. Reznor was enraged, and made quite a stink in the media about it.

That is why today is frustrating. Apple has behaved just like the greedy record companies they claim to fight against, and have been happy to take advantage of its customers for their very love of the company.

Any long term Apple fan must admit, this is a sobering turn of events. I hope Apple have the respect for their customer base to right this situation.
 
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