8GB RAM is not for coding!

[Bubble99]

Based on my 20+ years working with software delivery, I would say that about 20-30% of developers I've worked with use MacBooks (most Pros but quite a few MBAs). This is especially true if they have a choice of machine or have to buy their own.

I'm not an American but have worked in a number of other Western countries. I think the choice of using a Mac is mostly economic - they are generally a more expensive up-front purchase for businesses, and unless productivity and maintenance benefits can be demonstrated, a lot of businesses will just go with whatever is cheap and has good enough enterprise support. For richer countries the cost of the computer is a small fraction the annual (or even monthly) salary paid to an employee, so the capital cost of a Mac is insignificant over the service life of the machine.

For most of my work (except one) I wasn't offered a Mac as an option, but was allowed to use my own. I would rather spend my own money to get what I want, when I'm spending 40-50 hours a week using it.

Macs are a solid choice with a reliable Unix-like OS that allows your to run shell scripts and a wide variety of command line tools and open-source utilities. Linux is good as well, but Linux on the desktop just isn't as polished as MacOS; there always seem to be a few things to fix with drivers. Windows always seems to involve extra effort and proprietary tools, and Windows scripts or Powershell are far less well documented than *nix equivalents.

That is the thing if you spend $1,000 or $2,000 on new laptop than Linux can be hit and miss.

Also normally runs better with Dell or a Thinkpad laptops than Acer and HP that can really be hit and miss and some motherboard firmware don't even allow boot up into Linux and video drivers normally a problem that can come up.

That is why Linux normally runs better on older hardware. That give them time to roll out fixes on the hardware.

I will never buy new computer over $800 and try to put Linux on it and not know how to fix it and what to do with installing or tolling back kernels when problem comes up or how to fix grub problems that could come up. I know of no Linux expert to talk to on how to fix a problem.

Linux is best for older computers to mess with and learn. I have no experience dropping to a Linux shell or terminal fixing a grub problem or a driver problem because the GUI will not load like some of the Linux old timers that fix it there.

Windows 10 is too buggy after updates that break the computer and when comes to HP and Dell you can get really good drivers and firmware or really bad drivers and firmware.

And in the past 3 or 4 years the Thinkpads quality have been going down hill. Well better than most cheap consumer laptops but not as good as before.

I had a MacBook pro I have used for 7 years and other one for 4 years and not even one yes not one kernel panic or OS freeze where the OS freezes and the only way out of it is a hard shut down. And never had wake up problems that Microsoft can never fix. If your computer is running and goes to sleep well good luck that it will wake up. All 5 windows computer I and family members used had wake up problems a Geateway desktop, HP desktop, other different HP desktop, Lenovo laptop and HP laptop. That will not wake up and some times even boot up into black screen after bad wake up.

Running windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10. Yes all that and Microsoft have never fixed the sleep or hibernate mode on wake up problem.

 

[alien3dx]

Are you saying that Finland is a poor country now? Also, the company I work for just bought another company for 300m€. Yes, a very very poor company, because they don't use Macs.

sometimes is not about poor but it support, contract , ehm ehmm .. Don't worry man, we not in USA territory .

 

[iHorseHead]

sometimes is not about poor but it support, contract , ehm ehmm .. Don't worry man, we not in USA territory .

Yup, but a lot of people forget that even wealthier European countries don't have Apple Stores and the support of resellers sucks too, so it makes no difference what computer you buy and from where as someone pointed out yesterday.

 

[Fomalhaut]

That is the thing if you spend $1,000 or $2,000 on new laptop than Linux can be hit and miss.

Also normally runs better with Dell or a Thinkpad laptops than Acer and HP that can really be hit and miss and some motherboard firmware don't even allow boot up into Linux and video drivers normally a problem that can come up.

That is why Linux normally runs better on older hardware. That give them time to roll out fixes on the hardware.

I will never buy new computer over $800 and try to put Linux on it and not know how to fix it and what to do with installing or tolling back kernels when problem comes up or how to fix grub problems that could come up. I know of no Linux expert to talk to on how to fix a problem.

Linux is best for older computers to mess with and learn. I have no experience dropping to a Linux shell or terminal fixing a grub problem or a driver problem because the GUI will not load like some of the Linux old timers that fix it there.

Windows 10 is too buggy after updates that break the computer and when comes to HP and Dell you can get really good drivers and firmware or really bad drivers and firmware.

And in the past 3 or 4 years the Thinkpads quality have been going down hill. Well better than most cheap consumer laptops but not as good as before.

I had a MacBook pro I have used for 7 years and other one for 4 years and not even one yes not one kernel panic or OS freeze where the OS freezes and the only way out of it is a hard shut down. And never had wake up problems that Microsoft can never fix. If your computer is running and goes to sleep well good luck that it will wake up. All 5 windows computer I and family members used had wake up problems a Geateway desktop, HP desktop, other different HP desktop, Lenovo laptop and HP laptop. That will not wake up and some times even boot up into black screen after bad wake up.

Running windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows 10. Yes all that and Microsoft have never fixed the sleep or hibernate mode on wake up problem.

In short, all computers will have some problems and require differing levels of experience to fix.

I use a Mac as a client computer because *on balance* it has caused me fewer problems (and less headaches) than other platforms.

For me the key metric is reliability and the amount of time that I have to mess with the machine in order to actually do stuff, whether it is for work or pleasure.

That said, I have had plenty of things go wrong with Macs in the past. Only 30 minutes ago my M1 Mini spontaneously showed a dark green screen (new "Green Screen of Death"?) and rebooted. No idea why.... crash reports showed "SOCD report detected: (AP watchdog expired)"....

I expect some crashes, and as long as I don't lose work, I can live with that. I've had about 4 or 5 in the last 6 months. I had really weird software bugs on a MBP16 that caused me to reinstall the OS several times in frustration (weird file-handle exhaustion error that affected all browsers...there's a thread on Macrumors). My first MacBook (2007 Core 2 Duo) had both a failed Nvidia GPU and chronic problems with the trackpad & keyboard cable connection, that eventually made it impossible to use the keyboard/trackpad and forced using external peripherals. I've had a swollen battery (also the 2007 MBP15).

Some might say....look at all the problems you've had!

...but I've had far more frustrating problems with other machines, so on-balance, the Macs have caused me less grief.

I view machines as expendable resources that will go wrong at some point. I arrange my backups and data so that it doesn't impact me much if a machine has a problem or even can't be fixed. Just rebuild it from an image if it's a software / OS problem, or buy another computer if it develops an unfixable hardware fault. Life's too short to waste time on the tools.

Incidentally, the "disposable" attitude to computing resources is very much how we use cloud computing these days. Because it's so fast to create new versions of hardware infrastructure and platforms, you don't spend time trying to fix difficult problems...you just build another one. This is the "Pets vs Cattle" argument. Physical servers were like your pets: there were expensive and you had to look after them and fix all the issues, and nurse them back to health. Cloud servers are like cattle - they are just part of the herd and you're not attached to them. If one goes wrong, kill it, and start another one with the same build specs. A lot of effort goes into automating this, so you can just treat computing resources as something ephemeral that is easily reconstructed.

 

[Fomalhaut]

Are you saying that Finland is a poor country now? Also, the company I work for just bought another company for 300m€. Yes, a very very poor company, because they don't use Macs.

I meant that you would be more *likely* to be provided a Mac as a work computer in richer countries (where salaries will be higher, and the computer is a smaller percentage of overall employment cost).

Personally, I was only offered a Mac at Amazon Web Services, who as you know, are not short of cash (providing about 55% of Amazon's profits)... even then it was actually a pretty crappy one - a 2-core i5 MBP13 with 8GB (in 2017). Possibly the least impressive Mac I've ever used.

But no doubt, developers who live in richer countries, like Finland, would have more disposable income with which to buy a Mac if they wanted one. Maybe there isn't a BYOD (Bring Your Own Device) culture in Finnish tech companies? Maybe Macs have higher import taxes? I don't know.

I can only speak to my own experience, and you to yours....

 

[iHorseHead]

I meant that you would be more *likely* to be provided a Mac as a work computer in richer countries (where salaries will be higher, and the computer is a smaller percentage of overall employment cost).

Personally, I was only offered a Mac at Amazon Web Services, who as you know, are not short of cash (providing about 55% of Amazon's profits)... even then it was actually a pretty crappy one - a 2-core i5 MBP13 with 8GB (in 2017). Possibly the least impressive Mac I've ever used.

But no doubt, developers who live in richer countries, like Finland, would have more disposable income with which to buy a Mac if they wanted one. Maybe there isn't a BYOD (Bring Your Own Device) culture in Finnish tech companies? Maybe Macs have higher import taxes? I don't know.

I can only speak to my own experience, and you to yours....

May I disagree with your logic? Are salaries in Sweden and Finland low in your opinion? Our PCs are more expensive than Macs. Also, the school I went to had Windows PCs and those were pretty expensive and the computers had 256GB of RAM.
I would still disagree with your logic. I have a Mac and an iPhone and in no way it means I'm rich. In Europe many people dislike Macs and you'd always hear: "Who the .... would use a Mac?" etc and to be honest, I don't know why that is. iPhones are kind of a different story.

The only BYOD "culture" I've experienced was in Malta (not saying the company's name) and they didn't offer us any PCs. Nothing. Other than that I've never experienced "BYOD" culture and it's always the employer that has to give you a work computer.

I once wanted to buy a docking station and my coworkers were like: "The company is supposed to give you and pay for that" and people here really aren't willing to spend their own money at any company. Even if it's 5€ and to be honest, I agree with that. Why should I spend my own money or bring my own device? The company is supposed to provide me everything and pay my phone bill. At the last team meeting my coworkers wanted for the company to pay the internet as well. I don't think it's going to work out though, but it'd be great.

I don't know why companies here and in many European countries don't use Macs, but I doubt it has anything to do with poverty. Also, Google and Microsoft invest and do way more for Europe than Apple. There aren't even any Apple Stores in Finland and Apple provides 0 programming courses, while Microsoft and Google always offer free programming etc courses.

If I want to learn Swift development I'm on my own, if I want to learn Android development I can enrol to school any time.

By the way: In Malta I had to use my own MacBook from 2010 for programming and it had 8GB of RAM and the experience was horrible! I still managed to do my job, but it required so many smoke breaks and so much patience and I don't know how many restarts per day, but I managed. I wouldn't say RAM was the issue, but rather the processor, because I bet I could do that job very smoothly on my current MacBook Air despite having 8GB of RAM. Unfortunately nowadays I program very little and only PHP and MySQL.

 

[Bubble99]

May I disagree with your logic? Are salaries in Sweden and Finland low in your opinion? Our PCs are more expensive than Macs. Also, the school I went to had Windows PCs and those were pretty expensive and the computers had 256GB of RAM.
I would still disagree with your logic. I have a Mac and an iPhone and in no way it means I'm rich. In Europe many people dislike Macs and you'd always hear: "Who the .... would use a Mac?" etc and to be honest, I don't know why that is. iPhones are kind of a different story.

The only BYOD "culture" I've experienced was in Malta (not saying the company's name) and they didn't offer us any PCs. Nothing. Other than that I've never experienced "BYOD" culture and it's always the employer that has to give you a work computer.

I once wanted to buy a docking station and my coworkers were like: "The company is supposed to give you and pay for that" and people here really aren't willing to spend their own money at any company. Even if it's 5€ and to be honest, I agree with that. Why should I spend my own money or bring my own device? The company is supposed to provide me everything and pay my phone bill. At the last team meeting my coworkers wanted for the company to pay the internet as well. I don't think it's going to work out though, but it'd be great.

I don't know why companies here and in many European countries don't use Macs, but I doubt it has anything to do with poverty. Also, Google and Microsoft invest and do way more for Europe than Apple. There aren't even any Apple Stores in Finland and Apple provides 0 programming courses, while Microsoft and Google always offer free programming etc courses.

If I want to learn Swift development I'm on my own, if I want to learn Android development I can enrol to school any time.

What about iPads there?

Also Android uses Java but Java can be used else where not just Android.

 

[alien3dx]

May I disagree with your logic? Are salaries in Sweden and Finland low in your opinion? Our PCs are more expensive than Macs. Also, the school I went to had Windows PCs and those were pretty expensive and the computers had 256GB of RAM.
I would still disagree with your logic. I have a Mac and an iPhone and in no way it means I'm rich. In Europe many people dislike Macs and you'd always hear: "Who the .... would use a Mac?" etc and to be honest, I don't know why that is. iPhones are kind of a different story.

The only BYOD "culture" I've experienced was in Malta (not saying the company's name) and they didn't offer us any PCs. Nothing. Other than that I've never experienced "BYOD" culture and it's always the employer that has to give you a work computer.

I once wanted to buy a docking station and my coworkers were like: "The company is supposed to give you and pay for that" and people here really aren't willing to spend their own money at any company. Even if it's 5€ and to be honest, I agree with that. Why should I spend my own money or bring my own device? The company is supposed to provide me everything and pay my phone bill. At the last team meeting my coworkers wanted for the company to pay the internet as well. I don't think it's going to work out though, but it'd be great.

I don't know why companies here and in many European countries don't use Macs, but I doubt it has anything to do with poverty. Also, Google and Microsoft invest and do way more for Europe than Apple. There aren't even any Apple Stores in Finland and Apple provides 0 programming courses, while Microsoft and Google always offer free programming etc courses.

If I want to learn Swift development I'm on my own, if I want to learn Android development I can enrol to school any time.

By the way: In Malta I had to use my own MacBook from 2010 for programming and it had 8GB of RAM and the experience was horrible! I still managed to do my job, but it required so many smoke breaks and so much patience and I don't know how many restarts per day, but I managed. I wouldn't say RAM was the issue, but rather the processor, because I bet I could do that job very smoothly on my current MacBook Air despite having 8GB of RAM. Unfortunately nowadays I program very little and only PHP and MySQL.

swift and objective c is weird language . Do remind the new os you need php on homebrew . No more default. Php the most i like when i learn it 2001. yeahh pretty old of me. Php and mysql memory management quite good compare to jsp , .net platform.

 

[iHorseHead]

What about iPads there?

Also Android uses Java but Java can be used else where not just Android.

Yup, but you can enrol in Android development courses for free, provided by Google, but Apple does no such thing over here. So yeah…
Nobody uses iPads. Most companies use Windows based tablets. Even train conductors

If you use Apple devices then it's just because of your personal choice, I guess. Very rarely do companies use Macs.

 

[alien3dx]

Yup, but you can enrol in Android development courses for free, provided by Google, but Apple does no such thing over here. So yeah…

got man

Introducing SwiftUI | Apple Developer Documentation

SwiftUI is a modern way to declare user interfaces for any Apple platform. Create beautiful, dynamic apps faster than ever before.

developer.apple.com

But mostly i learn myself no documentation .Dont ask me storyboard since i only know programmtic swift and swift ui.

** simulator/canvas m1 pretty fast .. for swift ui and test compile to simulator.

 

[Bubble99]

Yup, but you can enrol in Android development courses for free, provided by Google, but Apple does no such thing over here. So yeah…
Nobody uses iPads. Most companies use Windows based tablets. Even train conductors

If you use Apple devices then it's just because of your personal choice, I guess. Very rarely do companies use Macs.

What about home use among people?

Or most people using android tablets?

 

[iHorseHead]

What about home use among people?

Or most people using android tablets?

To be honest, this tablet thing has kind of died off. I remember tablets used to be really popular and everyone had one, but not anymore. I don't know what happened. I, myself also have an iPad mini 2 and I don't need a new one.

Most people are using Android phones though, but tablets are like 50/50. Everybody I know uses Android tablets (except me), but I've seen iPads here and there as well, so I'm assuming it's 50/50.

Also, many companies use their own apps that you can't find from Google and they've been developed for Windows and I guess this is why companies are not "willing to move" either. Some of the apps were last updated in 90s and are still use today. I think it's a common practice, unfortunately.

 

[09872738]

swift and objective c is weird language .

They are „different“, but wonderful once you got used to them being different

Nobody uses iPads. Most companies use Windows based tablets.

Cannot say I made the same experience, quite the opposite. Just ask airlines, for example

 

[alien3dx]

They are „different“, but wonderful once you got used to them being different

Cannot say I made the same experience, quite the opposite. Just ask airlines, for example

dam , i keep forget how to do loop . my brain stuck with normal foreach instead in.

 

[Fomalhaut]

May I disagree with your logic? Are salaries in Sweden and Finland low in your opinion? Our PCs are more expensive than Macs. Also, the school I went to had Windows PCs and those were pretty expensive and the computers had 256GB of RAM.
I would still disagree with your logic. I have a Mac and an iPhone and in no way it means I'm rich. In Europe many people dislike Macs and you'd always hear: "Who the .... would use a Mac?" etc and to be honest, I don't know why that is. iPhones are kind of a different story.

The only BYOD "culture" I've experienced was in Malta (not saying the company's name) and they didn't offer us any PCs. Nothing. Other than that I've never experienced "BYOD" culture and it's always the employer that has to give you a work computer.

I once wanted to buy a docking station and my coworkers were like: "The company is supposed to give you and pay for that" and people here really aren't willing to spend their own money at any company. Even if it's 5€ and to be honest, I agree with that. Why should I spend my own money or bring my own device? The company is supposed to provide me everything and pay my phone bill. At the last team meeting my coworkers wanted for the company to pay the internet as well. I don't think it's going to work out though, but it'd be great.

I don't know why companies here and in many European countries don't use Macs, but I doubt it has anything to do with poverty. Also, Google and Microsoft invest and do way more for Europe than Apple. There aren't even any Apple Stores in Finland and Apple provides 0 programming courses, while Microsoft and Google always offer free programming etc courses.

If I want to learn Swift development I'm on my own, if I want to learn Android development I can enrol to school any time.

By the way: In Malta I had to use my own MacBook from 2010 for programming and it had 8GB of RAM and the experience was horrible! I still managed to do my job, but it required so many smoke breaks and so much patience and I don't know how many restarts per day, but I managed. I wouldn't say RAM was the issue, but rather the processor, because I bet I could do that job very smoothly on my current MacBook Air despite having 8GB of RAM. Unfortunately nowadays I program very little and only PHP and MySQL.

Sure...I'm happy to have a reasoned debate

The only reason I mentioned the cost of Macs is because it comes up a lot in "Mac vs PC" discussions. *In general* Macs are positioned in the "premium" segment of the market, so you won't find one in the bargain bin at Aldi. You can obviously spend a lot on a Wintel PC too, particularly workstation-replacements or gaming machines. And equipping any computer with 256GB or RAM is expensive!

Clearly MS Windows has lot more global market penetration than MacOS, and that is pretty hard to change, however good the technology is. I know lots of people who would also say "I don't want/like a Mac"...but mostly because of unfamiliarity or a perceived lack of software support, or cost, or just not wanting to be a hipster sitting in a Starbucks coffee-shop with a Mac...

Quite possibly there are fewer Macs in Finland because there are no Apple-stores, and potential purchasers think that any problems would require shipping the machine overseas, which would be a disincentive.

These days I don't think the computer platform really matters for most people unless you are developing software for that platform. If you want to develop MacOS or iOS you need a Mac; end of story. If you want to create .Net apps, you'll be better off with Windows. Same story for Linux.

As I said earlier, for me it's just about the reliability and hassle factor. I find Windows to be a bit more work: lots of updates, a clunky mix of old-style Windows 7 and "Windows modern apps" in Windows 10. It's OK, and I have a couple of Windows machines. I have a Linux workstation - very efficient on memory and good for development. I have a few Macs, and an iPad, and these (mostly) provide a painless computing experience, and work well for my work ( AWS DevOps and infrastructure management).

The Apple Silicon Macs are very good computers, and maybe they will increase the performance gap compared to similarly priced Windows computers so much that eventually the average person will know the difference.

I don't really think that Google or Microsoft investment has a huge amount to do with platform adoption of client machines; maybe some companies will get discounts on Windows PCs from Microsoft? I think Google, Microsoft and Amazon are keen for people (particularly rich enterprises) to adopt their services (GCP, Azure and AWS). Sure, Microsoft will want people to have Windows PCs, but they probably realise that client machines are likely to evolve into something different.

I have seen a big shift away from needing to have a powerful computer to simulate enterprise systems, to just running the workloads in disposable cloud services. I used to run databases, Java application servers and full IDEs on VMs in a laptop, and always wanted more power. I bought my own workstations full of SSDs and RAM to create my own "server farm" to test the same architecture that I was going to deploy to a customer's data centre. These days I will just do the same thing in AWS or Azure and I could control the whole thing from an iPad...well in theory. I still prefer a computer with full-fat OS!

BTW If you want to learn Swift, there are free courses from Stanford University on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/au/course/developing-ios-11-apps-with-swift/id1309275316
You basically do the same course that Stanford under-graduates do...

 

[iHorseHead]

They are „different“, but wonderful once you got used to them being different

Cannot say I made the same experience, quite the opposite. Just ask airlines, for example

I work for IT Support for airports too and no one uses iPads. They use Windows devices. Even those ads that you see and flights run on Windows. Every single thing runs on Windows.

 

[iHorseHead]

Sure...I'm happy to have a reasoned debate

The only reason I mentioned the cost of Macs is because it comes up a lot in "Mac vs PC" discussions. *In general* Macs are positioned in the "premium" segment of the market, so you won't find one in the bargain bin at Aldi. You can obviously spend a lot on a Wintel PC too, particularly workstation-replacements or gaming machines. And equipping any computer with 256GB or RAM is expensive!

Clearly MS Windows has lot more global market penetration than MacOS, and that is pretty hard to change, however good the technology is. I know lots of people who would also say "I don't want/like a Mac"...but mostly because of unfamiliarity or a perceived lack of software support, or cost, or just not wanting to be a hipster sitting in a Starbucks coffee-shop with a Mac...

These days I don't think the computer platform really matters for most people unless you are developing software for that platform. If you want to develop MacOS or iOS you need a Mac; end of story. If you want to create .Net apps, you'll be better off with Windows. Same story for Linux.

As I said earlier, for me it's just about the reliability and hassle factor. I find Windows to be a bit more work: lots of updates, a clunky mix of old-style Windows 7 and "Windows modern apps" in Windows 10. It's OK, and I have a couple of Windows machines. I have a Linux workstation - very efficient on memory and good for development. I have a few Macs, and an iPad, and these provide a painless computing experience, and work well for my work (mostly AWS DevOps and infrastructure management).

The Apple Silicon Macs are very good computers, and maybe they will increase the performance gap compared to similarly priced Windows computers, so much that eventually the average person will know the difference.

I don't really think that Google or Microsoft investment has a huge amount to do with platform adoption; maybe some companies will get discounts on Windows PCs from Microsoft?

If you want to learn Swift, there are free courses from Stanford University on iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/au/course/developing-ios-11-apps-with-swift/id1309275316
You basically do the same course that Stanford under-graduates do...

I'm impressed that it's for free. I'll take a look at it.

There are premium PCs as well and so far I haven't had any issues with PCs as people here claim. Everything works. People complain about Windows having ads in it, but I dont see any ads on my work computer nor on my personal computer and when I've asked how to turn ads on then I receive no reply. People just bash things because they want to bash things. Like this thread for example. For me 8GB is enough for coding.

You can make WPF applications with no issues whatsoever with 8GB of RAM.

My company uses Miradore, so we don't just receive Windows updates out of the blue. I know my coworker takes care of the Windows and app updates on our computers. I don't know how it works, but I would like to get his position. He has been doing that for 6 years though.

Apple barely has any discounts and if there are any then they're ridiculous. It's always like "Save 50€ on a MacBook Pro that costs 3200€" and considering the price the discounts are very low, whilst on many PCs and many other stores offer real discounts sometimes.
Usually companies have the same computers, so my guess is that they bulk buy them. I also know that some other company sets up my company's work computers and nowadays many computers are in a cloud. People turn their PC on and connect to the Internet and it automatically downloads and sets everything up.

I'm sorry to admit it, but Windows PCs are just better controlled. How do I install an app to a Mac remotely? My company does use Addigy, but Microsoft Azure is way better, but it does not support Macs. Also on SCCM I can just install an app with no problems at all. I can't say the same for Addigy. Windows PCs are just better and easier to maintain based on my experiences from work.

My MacBook Air M1 acts weirdly. It often restarts and I get "Your problem was shut down because of a problem". I don't know. Depends.

Truth be told, my coworker said that computer is just a computer to help you get things done. Doesn't matter what you use. A computer is a computer.

 

[09872738]

I work for IT Support for airports too and no one uses iPads. They use Windows devices. Even those ads that you see and flights run on Windows. Every single thing runs on Windows.

No, they don‘t. I am a pro pilot (retired, still freelancing off and on). Literally everyone uses iPads in the cockpit (cabin as well). Also see https://appleinsider.com/articles/2...-to-iphones-ipads-for-all-frontline-employees

So you work in IT support for the whole world, or how would you know?

 

[iHorseHead]

No, they don‘t. I am a pro pilot (retired, still freelancing off and on). Literally everyone uses iPads in the cockpit (cabin as well). Also see https://appleinsider.com/articles/2...-to-iphones-ipads-for-all-frontline-employees

So you work in IT support for the whole world, or how would you know?

in the airports they do. I provide IT Support to airports, not to pilots.
Did I say I work for the whole world? Did I?

 

[09872738]

in the airports they do. I provide IT Support to airports, not to pilots.
Did I say I work for the whole world? Did I?

No, you didn‘t. I misinterpreted that part of your post. Plz accept my apologies

 

[DaveFromCampbelltown]

swift and objective c is weird language . Do remind the new os you need php on homebrew . No more default. Php the most i like when i learn it 2001. yeahh pretty old of me. Php and mysql memory management quite good compare to jsp , .net platform.

Ah, for the days when Modula-2 was going to take over the programming world...

And I am one of the few people to invest in the Dylan Programming Language, complete with CDs and about 10 kg of documentation.

 

[alien3dx]

Ah, for the days when Modula-2 was going to take over the programming world...

And I am one of the few people to invest in the Dylan Programming Language, complete with CDs and about 10 kg of documentation.

i'm just a kid by that time and once try the macintosh once playing prince of persia 2 black and white i think.