iHorseHead
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You can easily use Android Studio on 4GB of RAM and do it for the modern hardware.
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8GB RAM is not for coding!
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iHorseHead
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alien3dx
macrumors 68020
I think you don't understand .. Why need to compare things? even i sure you never use itanium hehe
I would said like this in current
macbook 2011 - I5-2415M
imac 2017 - I5-7360U
macbook air 2020 - m1
iHorseHead
macrumors 68020
What's your Acer's CPU? Just trying to figure out why I can code on 8GB of RAM and you can't. That's what I'm trying to figure out why I have no issues.
alien3dx
macrumors 68020
That's is the reason i said what year ? i bought acer 4736 2008 and default is 2GB and upgrade max to 4GB. That's era more on php programming and no object oriented programming yet and all functional. I don't do .net platform that year.
I got .visual studio first beta cd in 2001 from my prof and run awful in celeron 850 mhz. Keep Crashing ..
The point must compare the year and product not by CPU and brandname. If you had a university database using ORACLE, for sure 8 GB is also not enough. The best is 16GB or 32GB .
Making games and functional programming is diff world dear .
iHorseHead
macrumors 68020
But 2008 is too old. Maybe you could code in PHP + MySQL databases for company's lunch portal or something "simpler", but yeah…It's too old. You can still make a game in Godot though. Unity would be too much for this little fella:/.
I personally have been thinking about getting PowerBook G4 to program (make a YouTube app) for PowerPC for example, but later came to my senses.
Never used Oracle database, but I checked out https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E24191_01/common/install/system_requirements.html
I remember one company that I worked for told us to use our own computers and all I had was MacBook Pro mid 2010 and it was terrible.
I had to use my own scenes in Unity without graphics, but I managed to get my work done with a lot of patience. I haven't had problems with on my PC from 2021 (also 8GB of RAM like my MacBook Pro) or MacBook Air M1 (8GB of ram). Xcode and simulators run pretty smoothly.
alien3dx
macrumors 68020
2007 to 2013 era, i do billing system which come to itanium mess up and in the in the end using xeon . Those HP fella selling broken server to my client . Sorry i'm not sure what's lunch portal ?
Macbook m1 8 GB is pretty powerfull on it's own and i'm writing two swift ui apps for now on it and android only on imac 2017 since m1 doesn't support officially android emulator. I do have mutiple device android /ios in hand to test .
The conclusion is depend on requirement. If client want me to do in visual studio , i need to buy some windows laptop instead of using m1 since it's doesn't support officially visual studio. Compiling Visual Studio project on Mac platform cannot be re-used in Microsoft Windows Visual Studio . 🙁
DaveFromCampbelltown
macrumors 68020
Seymour Cray bought a Mac to help him design new Cray Supercomputers.
There are a whole heap of physicists who use Macs for High Power Computing, particularly with Fortran programming.
Many films, including Jurassic Park, had the CGI done on a bank of Macs.
The fact that you don't know any programmers or artists that use a Mac doesn't mean they don't exist.
Absence of Proof is not Proof of Absence.
iHorseHead
macrumors 68020
I do and I'm a programmer, but I only use it at home. (and have for years) At work it's Windows. I've never seen another programmer use a Mac either. One engineer that kept messing up Excel spreadsheets with Numbers is it other than one of the higher ups daughter had a 2012 MBP that was too slow to use so I upgraded it to 16G of RAM and a SSD.
I think the difference is seeing what people use is solely geography, in the U.S., some states are quite different than others in what's acceptable and what people use.
iHorseHead
macrumors 68020
True and I'm from Europe and have worked in 3 different European countries so far and I'm just telling what I've seen, because what I read on the Internet is the opposite to my reality as in what I've experienced.
thejadedmonkey
macrumors G3
You're looking at programming through a limited lens.
At my last job, our software stack was so massive that we couldn't run it locally without 64gbs of RAM, so we didn't even bother trying. We would program in IntelliJ, which eats RAM for lunch, then send it to a CI pipe where it would get deployed to a k8s cluster. We could, at our discretion, run one service locally for debugging purposes. I hardly maxed out my CPU, but RAM was a constant limiting factor when trying to debug more than 2 services at once.
We ran on Macbook Pros, because a lot of our docker containers wouldn't run on Windows due to some bugs in Docker (that have since been fixed).
I don't doubt you, but we all live where we all live. Makes for interesting threads. 🙂
iHorseHead
macrumors 68020
Probably because I have 'limited experience' and am not as experienced as you are for example, but my point was 8GB is enough for coding FOR ME and everything I use works perfectly and the fact that my workplace gave us 8GB RAM computers doesn't make it a bad workplace as someone here claimed.
As I already said: For whatever reason my real life experiences are completely opposite to what people claim on MacRumors.
alien3dx
macrumors 68020
oh europe , here in malaysia mac product is totally expensive . No problem about reality because mac or ram just a tool for work .
It just out side of the US and Canada to degree Asian and Europe don’t have Apple market share and Apple worship.
Just like why Android is really popular out side of the US because it is cheaper. But most people in the US use iPhone.
It may have to with money and culture that Americans love expensive stuff and tech stuff that other parts of the world that is not a culture thing. Well even for people who have money unless you really upper upper middle class.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
Windows have always been more system resources hog than MacOS and Linux.
In the year 2010 you will be very lucky to get Celeron processor not a i3, 4GB of RAM, a HDD not a SSD and windows 7 and you can make sandwich well you computer turns on and start Firefox.
Yet in the year 2010 you can get Mac with core 2 duo, 2 GB of RAM and HDD. And it run faster than the Windows computer because of lighter OS.
I have not seen any windows laptop running windows vista or windows 7 not be slow.
Only windows 95 and windows 98 where faster than windows 7 and vista because windows back than the OS was no where bloated.
The turning point was the year 2005 or 2006 programmers started coding for more and more RAM.
It takes 4GB of RAM just to have Google earth running now!!! It takes 4GB of RAM just to have Firefox running with 12 tabs open.
The internet browsers are very bloated and the internet is very bloated.
More RAM is not going to fix the problem at all. IF 95% of the people get all new computers with 16GB of RAM the programmers will just code one app that takes whopping 8GB of RAM.
The year 2010 to 2020 gone from 4GB to 8GB and I believe we will transition in a year or two from 8GB to 16GB.
The browsers and internet will just get more bloated.
sgtaylor5
macrumors 6502a
sgtaylor5
macrumors 6502a
No prob. That machine, way back as a freshman in high school, gave me a career I'm still in, so I'll always love it. one of the oddest things is you had to boot it by keying a short boot program in via the rocker switches that then started the real bootstrap via paper tape. 🙂
alien3dx
macrumors 68020
2009 i got acer 4736 max 4gb ddr3 t6400 intel . That era ssd is pretty rare . For memory managment , macos more hog then windows .Previously using lenovo laptop dual core and 1 year keyboard kaput.
Not a fan of windows 7 since mostly i prefer using windows server in laptop cause much better memory management.
Based on my 20+ years working with software delivery, I would say that about 20-30% of developers I've worked with use MacBooks (most Pros but quite a few MBAs). This is especially true if they have a choice of machine or have to buy their own.
I'm not an American but have worked in a number of other Western countries. I think the choice of using a Mac is mostly economic - they are generally a more expensive up-front purchase for businesses, and unless productivity and maintenance benefits can be demonstrated, a lot of businesses will just go with whatever is cheap and has good enough enterprise support. For richer countries the cost of the computer is a small fraction the annual (or even monthly) salary paid to an employee, so the capital cost of a Mac is insignificant over the service life of the machine.
For most of my work (except one) I wasn't offered a Mac as an option, but was allowed to use my own. I would rather spend my own money to get what I want, when I'm spending 40-50 hours a week using it.
Macs are a solid choice with a reliable Unix-like OS that allows your to run shell scripts and a wide variety of command line tools and open-source utilities. Linux is good as well, but Linux on the desktop just isn't as polished as MacOS; there always seem to be a few things to fix with drivers. Windows always seems to involve extra effort and proprietary tools, and Windows scripts or Powershell are far less well documented than *nix equivalents.
iHorseHead
macrumors 68020
Are you saying that Finland is a poor country now? Also, the company I work for just bought another company for 300m€. Yes, a very very poor company, because they don't use Macs.
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