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I went with 8G (still waiting for the machine though :() following this rationale.
It is only (?!) 100 €/$ more. If things go as with my previous machine I will keep this for about 4 years (48 months) so the additional cost will be a little over 2/month over that time (about 1 coffee/month?). On alternative the reselling value will be at least 100 $/€ for an 8G than for a 4G.
If you can afford 100 more go for it if only as an investments.

I'll keep this just until next year refresh, I just would like to know if 4gb will be an issue for the tasks described in my previous post.
 
Another thing to consider: according to this apple support document, the Intel HD 5000 graphics can reserve up to 1GB of system RAM.

So, if you're getting a 4GB version, you can really count on just 3GB. For an 8GB model, you're really looking at 7.
 
The thing is that I have an ultimate in order i7/8gb/512ssd. But by reading on this forum it looks like I'll take a big hit next year when I try to resell to upgrade to the new Air (I'll definitely do) as it will have a resell value similar to a base model.

Meanwhile, the base model will also take a price hit of significant size as well, and will be lower in overall resale value.


And the main concern also is that I want to maximize battery life to its fullest ad I'm afraid the added ram and more powerful processor will contribute to more battery drain than in the lower ram lower powered base models and also more heat and faster fan start times.

The added RAM will not rain your battery. Overall, it might EXTEND your battery life due to fewer page-ins and page-outs to the SSD. Granted, this used to be a bigger deal with hard drives, but, there is still power wasted when reading/writing rapidly to SSD, not to mention the additional wear placed on an SSD when doing this.

I would suspect that a savvy buyer of a used MBA would also ask to check the lifetime writes stats with trim-enabler or another tool, and factor that into their purchase.

Going from the ultimate at $1749 to a i5/4gb/256ssd at $1199 is almost $600 difference.

Ultimately, it's your choice. When I buy computers, I "invest" differently than you do, it would seem. While your main concern seems to be resale value, my main concern is the output in terms of productivity, which is where I get my monetary and economic value out of a computer that I purchase. If I can store more on a system, and get more out of it in terms of heavy usage, then the extra money spent up front is money well spent.

So for me, more RAM equals better productivity, more tasks run with less frustration and delay, and better overall value.

Then again, I don't sell my computers right away. My "top line" work system is a 2012 iMac 27 inch, i7 with 24GB of RAM. And I have a 3 year old 2010 MBP that I'm replacing with a maxxed out 2013 macbook air. The new MBA will replace the MBP as my primary "on the go" computer, while the MBP will be demoted to being an at-home, leisure light-duty system to do things my iPad can't. Later, I'll get a new Haswell mac mini, and then I might sell/give away the MBP.

I will likely keep my MBA for two years. Maybe three.

I do not play games on a laptop at all, I never did so my question again is that I typically have Coda 2, Chrome, Safari with several tabs open, Mamp and
I'm coming from an Early MBP 2011 Sandy Bridge i5 with 16GB of RAM beach balling all over the place with 1TB 5400 RPM HD.

You're beachballing with 16GB of RAM. To me, that would indicate that 4GB is a pretty hard step down. While you will get a huge improvement with the SSD, it can vary with use over time as well as how much of that capacity is taken up with data.

However, the speed-up gained by higher RAM is constant and consistent.


Is the i5/4gb/256ssd enough for this or I'll struggle on the RAM? And it is better to get the ultimate?

If you're struggling now with 16GB of RAM, I think you will struggle with 4GB... EVEN with the SSD and the better processor. Although you're not playing games, you appears to be doing some heavy lifting with your web development, by running MAMP and probably having multiple tabs open in web browsers that have their own tasks requiring RAM and CPU.

Any CPU bottlenecks you get will be alleviated in mavericks with App Nap, most likely. But RAM usage will still be an issue.
 
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i picked up the base 11" i5 and today i ordered the i7 8g to swap it out-- with a business discount and having it shipped to a tax-free state vs where i bought this one, it's effectively a $160 upgrade. worth it in the long run, and likely in the short run too imo.
 
I agree with the 8GB, but what I find remarkable is that Apple didn't offer that selection as a standard upgrade that would be standard stock in their retail stores.
 
I agree with the 8GB, but what I find remarkable is that Apple didn't offer that selection as a standard upgrade that would be standard stock in their retail stores.

Yes that is true, that model should be in stock in stores too.

So the main thinking here is... i5 or i7 (I think this is more of a personal preference) , mandatory 8GB of RAM and any of the SSD configs.

Any other advice?
 
Yes that is true, that model should be in stock in stores too.

So the main thinking here is... i5 or i7 (I think this is more of a personal preference) , mandatory 8GB of RAM and any of the SSD configs.

Any other advice?

I'd order in the following 1) RAM, 2) SSD Size, 3) Processor. I purchased a new MacBook Air for my wife that is the basic (she does basic task), and I ordered i5, 8GB RAM, 256 SSD.
 
I'd order in the following 1) RAM, 2) SSD Size, 3) Processor. I purchased a new MacBook Air for my wife that is the basic (she does basic task), and I ordered i5, 8GB RAM, 256 SSD.

That looks like a perfect configuration I think I'll order one online tonight.
 
4GB will work, but not all that great. My 2010 maxed out at 4GB and I can definitely feel the memory strain when I have parallels running.
 
I've a 2012 i5 11" Air with 4gb of ram. At the moment, I'm streaming UFC in safari (via a flash link), writing this (plus have loads of other tabs open), have MATLAB open (basically a scientific coding program for crunching numbers), Papers (a PDF management program), a load of excel files open, Word, Scrivener, Preview, the App store, Terminal, all open. And I'm connected to a 24" cinema display. The machine is running fine.

Seriously, 4gb is fine for most peoples needs. Save your money on ram, and use it to buy a nice case ;)

edit: and to the guy above, man I just replaced a 2010 Macbook air, and it used to struggle with a couple of excel files open. It's nothing compared to the 2012 model, so I imagine it's the same for the 2013 model.
 

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4GB will work, but not all that great. My 2010 maxed out at 4GB and I can definitely feel the memory strain when I have parallels running.

Yes I guess a VM and some apps open together will slow things down.
 
Considering the next gen consoles all have 8GB it means that all PC ports require 8GB as well.
 
Running VM's and need to ask, we'll you'll need all the ram you can get.

See title. Lately I've been off the loop about hardware requirements.

The fact that the RAM is soldered to the board in the Air makes me thing 8GB might be a good idea, but will it be noticeable in real world usage? (read: light gaming, no professional graphic work)

edit: also going to do some Windows virtualization and/or emulation.



Running VM's and need to ask, well you'll need all the ram you can get.
 
Running VM's and need to ask, well you'll need all the ram you can get.

lol, I used to run windows Vista fine with 2gb of ram. Why does everyone think 8gb is minimum - 4gb is plenty!

He wants to do light gaming, and run windows virtualisation. 8gb is overkill for what he wants to do.
 
lol, I used to run windows Vista fine with 2gb of ram. Why does everyone think 8gb is minimum - 4gb is plenty!

He wants to do light gaming, and run windows virtualisation. 8gb is overkill for what he wants to do.
2GB for Vista yeah... Have you checked what Windows 7 and 8 wants to soak up? Also you need to remember that the ram used by the Intel graphics is carved out of the 4GB or 8GB memory of the Air.

8GB is a good choice.
 
2GB for Vista yeah... Have you checked what Windows 7 and 8 wants to soak up? Also you need to remember that the ram used by the Intel graphics is carved out of the 4GB or 8GB memory of the Air.

8GB is a good choice.

This is my main concern, the 1gb from the graphics card. I think having 8gb it will be better for less Swap Used - less writing to the disk and better battery life.
 
2GB for Vista yeah... Have you checked what Windows 7 and 8 wants to soak up? Also you need to remember that the ram used by the Intel graphics is carved out of the 4GB or 8GB memory of the Air.

8GB is a good choice.


Yep, 2gig for vista. And when I wanted to game, I used to boot up via Bootcamp and play counterstrike, Empire Total War, Left4Dead all flawlessly on one of the old alu-macbooks from 2009.

4gb is plenty, 8gb is overkill unless he's doing heavy work.
 
I'd say
- ALWAYS upgrade to 8gb RAM
- Recommended upgrade to 256gb ssd
- Depending on your usage upgrade to i7

If you've got the money then I'd say upgrade to i7, if not then you really wont see a massive difference between the two in everyday tasks
 
See title. Lately I've been off the loop about hardware requirements.

edit: also going to do some Windows virtualization and/or emulation.

For virtualization, I'd suggest 8GB. It can be done with less. Heck, I used to virtualize Windows XP on my 2008 MacBook Air with 2GB of RAM. But programs use up more memory now. For basic tasks 4GB is fine, but since you are going to virtualize, I'd recommend getting 8GB if you plan on keeping it a while. It will page out less to the SSD (which while fast, is still slower than RAM), and fewer page-outs give the SSD controller less to clean up, which may help performance as well.
 
My old 2006 MBP had 4GB of RAM but only 3GB was addressable. It was painful to run Parallels on that machine. Upgrading to an SSD in 2008 helped... but lack f memory was still the issue.

For sure... I would recommend that you go with 8GB if you are using Parallels or VMware Fusion.

/Jim
 
My old 2006 MBP had 4GB of RAM but only 3GB was addressable. It was painful to run Parallels on that machine. Upgrading to an SSD in 2008 helped... but lack f memory was still the issue.

For sure... I would recommend that you go with 8GB if you are using Parallels or VMware Fusion.

/Jim

Having a 6-7 year old laptop was probably the reason, not RAM (as much). What was that, a C2D?

I'm not running anything special (just internet, e-mail, iTunes etc) and I'm going with 8GB. For an extra $100, I'd rather be safe. Storage can also be added (either internally, which I know is a PITA), or externally. RAM can never.
 
For virtualization, I'd suggest 8GB. It can be done with less. Heck, I used to virtualize Windows XP on my 2008 MacBook Air with 2GB of RAM. But programs use up more memory now. For basic tasks 4GB is fine, but since you are going to virtualize, I'd recommend getting 8GB if you plan on keeping it a while. It will page out less to the SSD (which while fast, is still slower than RAM), and fewer page-outs give the SSD controller less to clean up, which may help performance as well.

For basic tasks? I'm analysing scientific data with 4gb! Granted if you can afford 8gb fine, but it's not a requirement. Not for a few years at least :)

I guess granted if I had an unlimited budget, I'd have gone with 8gig of ram, larger SSD etc, but then again I only paid 500 UK for my 2012 Macbook air (with apple care/warrenty) so I didn't see the extra few 000s really worth it as I knew 4gb would be just fine for my needs.
 
Having a 6-7 year old laptop was probably the reason, not RAM (as much). What was that, a C2D?

RAM was one of the major issues... but yes, a lot of things were going on. Upgrading from 2GB to 3GB made a very noticeable difference... but it was still slow as hell.

/Jim
 
When you say basic, do you mean Windows 3.1? ;)

I currently run Windows 7 Pro 64-bit on a 2GB RAM share.
By basic I meant browsing and downloading.

My second image (a copy from the above) is used for Office/Visio 2010, light to medium image editing and runs on 3GB RAM

Both VMs work fine for their purposes.
 
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