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Meanwhile, the base model will also take a price hit of significant size as well, and will be lower in overall resale value.




The added RAM will not rain your battery. Overall, it might EXTEND your battery life due to fewer page-ins and page-outs to the SSD. Granted, this used to be a bigger deal with hard drives, but, there is still power wasted when reading/writing rapidly to SSD, not to mention the additional wear placed on an SSD when doing this.

I would suspect that a savvy buyer of a used MBA would also ask to check the lifetime writes stats with trim-enabler or another tool, and factor that into their purchase.



Ultimately, it's your choice. When I buy computers, I "invest" differently than you do, it would seem. While your main concern seems to be resale value, my main concern is the output in terms of productivity, which is where I get my monetary and economic value out of a computer that I purchase. If I can store more on a system, and get more out of it in terms of heavy usage, then the extra money spent up front is money well spent.

So for me, more RAM equals better productivity, more tasks run with less frustration and delay, and better overall value.

Then again, I don't sell my computers right away. My "top line" work system is a 2012 iMac 27 inch, i7 with 24GB of RAM. And I have a 3 year old 2010 MBP that I'm replacing with a maxxed out 2013 macbook air. The new MBA will replace the MBP as my primary "on the go" computer, while the MBP will be demoted to being an at-home, leisure light-duty system to do things my iPad can't. Later, I'll get a new Haswell mac mini, and then I might sell/give away the MBP.

I will likely keep my MBA for two years. Maybe three.



You're beachballing with 16GB of RAM. To me, that would indicate that 4GB is a pretty hard step down. While you will get a huge improvement with the SSD, it can vary with use over time as well as how much of that capacity is taken up with data.

However, the speed-up gained by higher RAM is constant and consistent.




If you're struggling now with 16GB of RAM, I think you will struggle with 4GB... EVEN with the SSD and the better processor. Although you're not playing games, you appears to be doing some heavy lifting with your web development, by running MAMP and probably having multiple tabs open in web browsers that have their own tasks requiring RAM and CPU.

Any CPU bottlenecks you get will be alleviated in mavericks with App Nap, most likely. But RAM usage will still be an issue.

completely untrue. People who buy base models make out the best. The more you upgrade the more you will lose in the end. I have experienced it myself and see it every year. Base models hold the best value b.c people just want a mac and they wanted the cheapest way into that environment. If you buy an ultimate config, be prepared for a major hit when it comes to resell unless you sell it in a few months. A year later though, you are sure to lose ~$400
 
completely untrue. People who buy base models make out the best. The more you upgrade the more you will lose in the end. I have experienced it myself and see it every year. Base models hold the best value b.c people just want a mac and they wanted the cheapest way into that environment. If you buy an ultimate config, be prepared for a major hit when it comes to resell unless you sell it in a few months. A year later though, you are sure to lose ~$400

Totally agree.

Now I have both machines with me, a base i5/4gb/256ssd and an i7/8gb/512ssd

Setting up dropbox and downloading 4 apps from the app store the i5 was cool and silent while the i7 sounds like a jet ready for take off.
 
completely untrue. People who buy base models make out the best.

If you have actual hard data for this, fine. However I stand by all my other points. The OP is going from a 16GB-equipped MBP where he's indicated he's struggling with that, and he wants to drop all the way down to 4GB. If his sole reason is better resale value, and he's willing to struggle even more just to get more cash at the other end, then God bless him. Personally though, I can think of better ways to invest my cash.
 
If you have actual hard data for this, fine. However I stand by all my other points. The OP is going from a 16GB-equipped MBP where he's indicated he's struggling with that, and he wants to drop all the way down to 4GB. If his sole reason is better resale value, and he's willing to struggle even more just to get more cash at the other end, then God bless him. Personally though, I can think of better ways to invest my cash.

I agree with your other points. I just wanted to point out how well base models hold their value. Just search amazon, eBay, or Craigslist. I think it is because most people who are able to afford an ultimate can afford new. A lot of people looking for a base used want a Mac as cheap as possible.
 
If you have actual hard data for this, fine. However I stand by all my other points. The OP is going from a 16GB-equipped MBP where he's indicated he's struggling with that, and he wants to drop all the way down to 4GB. If his sole reason is better resale value, and he's willing to struggle even more just to get more cash at the other end, then God bless him. Personally though, I can think of better ways to invest my cash.

I think you got a couple of things wrong.

My sole reason is not better resale value, that's ridiculous, and I'm not sure why are you assuming that I'm "willing to struggle" to get more cash on the end, right now I have both laptops with me, i5/4gb/256ssd and ultimate i7/8gb/512ssd.

And It looks like God blessed me because the base model is running around circles to my 2011 MBP

Photoshop, VMWare fusion, Windows 7, MAMP, Coda, Screen sharing, you name it.

I'll start testing the ultimate model but so far extremely happy with the 10 hour battery life (on my real world usage) and super fast performance of the base model.

I do want the best, I do want to have the latest and greatest but I do not like to waste cash because the upgrades are there.

This will be my secondary machine to use as a regular laptop after I get the new 27' iMac.

I guess the $600 difference are going to go to a hotel reservation for my birthday and 4th of July holiday on a Hotel at the beach and I'll be drinking margaritas while browsing the web on the base model :D
 
Whoever told you that doesn't know what they are talking about.

The general consensus is that there is no benefit to anything more than 4gb of RAM, and that's coming from the hardcore PC gaming community who stress over every frame per second, so I decided not to bother.

Someone mentioned that the Turbo BTO option results in a 100Mhz higher clockspeed on your HD 5000, not sure if that's true but would actually improve your gaming a tad, although you could quite easily overclock by 300-400Mhz on the standard edition anyway (in Windows ofc). We're talking 1-5fps difference here really, iGPUs don't benefit much from overclocking.


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Yes there is. More available ram means the game itself can use more ram reducing caching and use of virtual memory.

there is also no benefit to 8gb over 4gb in gaming for this machine, none at all.


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That's too simplistic. I typically use 5 gb ram in normal to day tasks.

8GB is for VMs and video editing, things like that. But it is definitely not required for more simple uses, like email and internet.


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I agree with the 8GB, but what I find remarkable is that Apple didn't offer that selection as a standard upgrade that would be standard stock in their retail stores.

Totally agree. Making it a special order is pretty annoying.
 
Whoever told you that doesn't know what they are talking about.



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Yes there is. More available ram means the game itself can use more ram reducing caching and use of virtual memory.



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That's too simplistic. I typically use 5 gb ram in normal to day tasks.



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Totally agree. Making it a special order is pretty annoying.

What is your take on i5 vs i7?
 
I think you got a couple of things wrong.

My sole reason is not better resale value, that's ridiculous, and I'm not sure why are you assuming that I'm "willing to struggle" to get more cash on the end,



This post led me to that conclusion. Your top concern was that the value of the MBA "would take a big hit next year." Your words. The second top concern was battery life, but having more RAM really shouldn't impact that negatively.

In any case, you seem to have made your decision. Hope you enjoy!
 
This post led me to that conclusion. Your top concern was that the value of the MBA "would take a big hit next year." Your words. The second top concern was battery life, but having more RAM really shouldn't impact that negatively.

In any case, you seem to have made your decision. Hope you enjoy!

I'm sorry but thats not correct there were not top concerns neither second concerns, just chatting but I'm lost, I need help, I'm going crazy. I'm dreaming about i7, i5, i7, i5 I cannot take it anymore.
 
I can't believe there are people here arguing FOR 4GB so adamantly. The year is 2013 and frankly there are very, very few systems you can buy today (let alone Macs) with so little RAM as standard. It's ridiculous. 8GB should be the first (and only) upgrade if you can't afford it - especially since it's not user-upgradeable AND it's only $100. Just do it.
 
I can't believe there are people here arguing FOR 4GB so adamantly. The year is 2013 and frankly there are very, very few systems you can buy today (let alone Macs) with so little RAM as standard. It's ridiculous. 8GB should be the first (and only) upgrade if you can't afford it - especially since it's not user-upgradeable AND it's only $100. Just do it.

But if 8gb was the standard on Macs we will not have this arguments, pretty boring life :p
 
how about the argument where a i5/4gb is much more easily (or rather quickly) replaced at the apple store vs a i5/8gb which is considered BTO and can take a while to get replaced in case of warranty issues? Or do they issue a replacement quickly? Not sure how applecare works with these days. Anyone?
 
I can't believe there are people here arguing FOR 4GB so adamantly. The year is 2013 and frankly there are very, very few systems you can buy today (let alone Macs) with so little RAM as standard. It's ridiculous. 8GB should be the first (and only) upgrade if you can't afford it - especially since it's not user-upgradeable AND it's only $100. Just do it.

This cannot be said enough.
 
This cannot be said enough.

+2; keep in mind that the HD5000 uses 1GB of system RAM, effectively leaving 3GB left (on the 4GB configuration) for the system and applications. Mac OS X uses at least 1-1.5GB by itself, leaving less than 2GB now for applications. For a hundred bucks, going to 8GB is a no brainer in this day and age.

Relying on the SSD for the system to page out to - which, it will, on the 4GB configuration - just isn't a good idea.
 
how about the argument where a i5/4gb is much more easily (or rather quickly) replaced at the apple store vs a i5/8gb which is considered BTO and can take a while to get replaced in case of warranty issues? Or do they issue a replacement quickly? Not sure how applecare works with these days. Anyone?

It makes no difference unless they're outright replacing the machine with a new one, which doesn't happen all that often. If the unit is repaired under warranty, the configuration of your particular MBA has no effect on the turn around time. (i.e; the ordering and replacing of parts.)
 
I can't believe there are people here arguing FOR 4GB so adamantly. The year is 2013 and frankly there are very, very few systems you can buy today (let alone Macs) with so little RAM as standard. It's ridiculous. 8GB should be the first (and only) upgrade if you can't afford it - especially since it's not user-upgradeable AND it's only $100. Just do it.

b.c it is 2013 and more RAM is actually less important. When was the last time you looked at laptops online? Nearly all of them come stock with 4gb of RAM...6 AT MOST. People are just ridiculous if they think you need 8gb. Why buy something I know FOR A FACT I will not need in the next 4 years. Personally, I upgrade every single year, so it would be a complete $100 waste b.c I would not recoup it in resell.
 
+2; keep in mind that the HD5000 uses 1GB of system RAM, effectively leaving 3GB left (on the 4GB configuration) for the system and applications. Mac OS X uses at least 1-1.5GB by itself, leaving less than 2GB now for applications. For a hundred bucks, going to 8GB is a no brainer in this day and age.

Relying on the SSD for the system to page out to - which, it will, on the 4GB configuration - just isn't a good idea.

Finally! Some voices of reason. Haha. I just hope not too many people made the regrettable choice of 4GB if it's going to be their main machine.

I wish they had a 16GB option (which is the most the configuration could technically take - if it were not for non-upgrade-able RAM)...but Apple is a marketing genius and they don't want retina or 16GB RAM on Airs - that would cut into MacBook Pro sales!

b.c it is 2013 and more RAM is actually less important. When was the last time you looked at laptops online? Nearly all of them come stock with 4gb of RAM...6 AT MOST. People are just ridiculous if they think you need 8gb. Why buy something I know FOR A FACT I will not need in the next 4 years. Personally, I upgrade every single year, so it would be a complete $100 waste b.c I would not recoup it in resell.

I sell every 6-8 months. Believe it or not - most users want RAM so they can use the laptop. 2GB minimum for OS X, 1GB used by the Intel HD 5000 graphics - what's left? Not much.
 
Finally! Some voices of reason. Haha. I just hope not too many people made the regrettable choice of 4GB if it's going to be their main machine.

I wish they had a 16GB option (which is the most the configuration could technically take - if it were not for non-upgrade-able RAM)...but Apple is a marketing genius and they don't want retina or 16GB RAM on Airs - that would cut into MacBook Pro sales!



I sell every 6-8 months. Believe it or not - most users want RAM so they can use the laptop. 2GB minimum for OS X, 1GB used by the Intel HD 5000 graphics - what's left? Not much.

How's your battery life doing, Sk3tch? How bout heat?
 
How's your battery life doing, Sk3tch? How bout heat?

Heat is just fine. Better than my last Mac - which was an early '11 MBP maxed out. No fan noise that I've heard. When I lay down and leave it on my bare skin it doesn't burn at all or anything (if I'm browsing in bed or something) - whereas my MBP would be pretty damn uncomfortable fast haha.

Battery is fine, too...but it has been setup/install/encryption work so not your average web browsing. Will be using it tonight at the car dealership so I'll have a more light load to go by.

Yes, I wonder how much this will help

Will it reduce the memory requirements for 10.9 compared to 10.8? who knows

2GB minimum for Mac OS X is already extremely lean. Much better than the Windows side (I believe 7 and 8 are 4GB minimum) - if they're able to trim that further, bravo - but I doubt it will have lower minimum requirements than 2GB. RAM usage has always trended UP. DDR3 is cheap. Although I know the Air uses LPDDR3 which is more expensive.
 
I think of it this way:

Whenever you're buying a desktop/laptop that is upgradeable, then only get what you need today.

If it's NOT upgradeable, go for the highest level you can afford.

That said, if you can get the 8GB, then get it. You should have no regrets later.

I agree.

However my mindset is to get the base model but with the highest memory config.

IMO, I think one will see the direct benefits of more ram than the need for a cpu that is maybe 10% faster at a high premium
 
Heat is just fine. Better than my last Mac - which was an early '11 MBP maxed out. No fan noise that I've heard. When I lay down and leave it on my bare skin it doesn't burn at all or anything (if I'm browsing in bed or something) - whereas my MBP would be pretty damn uncomfortable fast haha.

Battery is fine, too...but it has been setup/install/encryption work so not your average web browsing. Will be using it tonight at the car dealership so I'll have a more light load to go by.

Great to hear. Keep us posted, if you can!
 
Heat is just fine. Better than my last Mac - which was an early '11 MBP maxed out. No fan noise that I've heard. When I lay down and leave it on my bare skin it doesn't burn at all or anything (if I'm browsing in bed or something) - whereas my MBP would be pretty damn uncomfortable fast haha.

Battery is fine, too...but it has been setup/install/encryption work so not your average web browsing. Will be using it tonight at the car dealership so I'll have a more light load to go by.



2GB minimum for Mac OS X is already extremely lean. Much better than the Windows side (I believe 7 and 8 are 4GB minimum) - if they're able to trim that further, bravo - but I doubt it will have lower minimum requirements than 2GB. RAM usage has always trended UP. DDR3 is cheap. Although I know the Air uses LPDDR3 which is more expensive.

windows 7 and 8 are both 1 gig minimum for 32 bit and 2 gb for 64 bit. I don't see them requiring more than that in the next 10 years.
 
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