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I love when people try to justify purchases by dividing out costs per day, and in a bubble where no other daily expenses exist. Heck, since so many things can cost pennies a day shop till you drop, right? Except that all those pennies seem to become real dollars when the bills come in.

But beside that, the price hike on the iPad isn't about $100, it's about principle. It's about $100 for no additional added value -- true added value, not normal tech bumps (new better part, same or less wholesale cost as is the norm in tech). It's just a money grab.

I own more than my fair share of pricey Apple products - a Mac mini, an iMac, a rMBP, 2 iPad mini 2s, an Air 2, ATVs, AW Sport, love 'em. But sometimes Apple gets out ahead of the market and prices just a bridge to far even for Apple fans like me that don't want to feel completely ripped off. It's not like the previous iPad Air 2 price points were a great value.

100% agreed. Plus lets not forget that it took Apple almost 2 years to release an upgrade to the iPad Air 2, when it usually took them 1. Having a longer wait didn't yield a major upgrade, much less justification for the $100 price hike.
 
If Apple re-introduces handwriting recognition with the Pencil as input, then it would be useful for more people. If you're one of those people, you'll know it because you already take a lot of handwritten notes. That's not me, though.

I know you said you're not into handwritten notes, but if you are GoodNotes is supposedly very good at handwriting recognition: http://www.mcelhearn.com/some-thoughts-on-the-apple-pencil/
 
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I love when people try to justify purchases by dividing out costs per day, and in a bubble where no other daily expenses exist. Heck, since so many things can cost pennies a day shop till you drop, right? Except that all those pennies seem to become real dollars when the bills come in.

But beside that, the price hike on the iPad isn't about $100, it's about principle. It's about $100 for no additional added value -- true added value, not normal tech bumps (new better part, same or less wholesale cost as is the norm in tech). It's just a money grab.

I own more than my fair share of pricey Apple products - a Mac mini, an iMac, a rMBP, 2 iPad mini 2s, an Air 2, ATVs, AW Sport, love 'em. But sometimes Apple gets out ahead of the market and prices just a bridge to far even for Apple fans like me that don't want to feel completely ripped off. It's not like the previous iPad Air 2 price points were a great value.

I love it when people complain about products not meeting their value threshold, and then on principal, complain rather than simply purchasing a competing product that offers better value. Principal indeed.
 
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Whoa, calm down buddy, I stated my opinion that's all. And I'll be happy to back it up, though @Chupa Chupa made a post above mine with an excellent analysis of why it's a very minor upgrade. One last thing please don't assume what I can or can't afford, because you don't know.

Just like you assume people who bought one are desperate to justify it? It's no fun when the generalizations are pointed back at you right?
 
That seals it, I'm buying one...

Oh, wait, already did!
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I love it when people complain about products not meeting their value threshold, and then on principal, complain rather than simply purchasing a competing product that offers better value. Principal indeed.

Me too. And as I wrote, I own an Air 2 & not upgrading to the 9.7 pro so I'm def. sticking to my principles ;)
 
Just like you assume people who bought one are desperate to justify it? It's no fun when the generalizations are pointed back at you right?

I'm not assuming, I'm talking about some of the people on this forum trying to justify it desperately.
 
I love it when people complain about products not meeting their value threshold, and then on principal, complain rather than simply purchasing a competing product that offers better value. Principal indeed.
The problem with that argument is that if you are entrenched in the Apple ecosystem, there is no competing product.
 
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I've been using the iPad Pro 12'" for nearly 6 months and the screen quality is noticeable worse than the iPad Air 2 I had before.
In what regards? I'm curious, haven't had any time with the 12" pro before.
 
Actually....... no. I upgraded from an Air. Are all the upgrades noticeable? Of course. Pleasant to have and use? Absolutely. A "super-duper" upgrade? No, not IMO. My work flow and capability hasn't changed. The Air is all the iPad I really needed. However, I carry it with me daily for work, around the house it is my web viewer, cooking and home brewing portal, and portable TV among other uses. So I decided to get the latest and greatest just because I could and for the amount it gets used it is pennies per hour for use. Why not live a little and get the latest every other generation or so? Just don't expect life changing experiences. It's just a tablet, after all.

Thanks for your thoughts (as I agree with you), I would only really upgrade for the pencil support though, but that's not enough to upgrade (imo).
 
I really wish every article included a poll where people could vote for "OMG this is the awesomest thing ever!", "Apple is a greedy corporation that hates humanity!", "Why is this front page news?", or "I like turtles".

Maybe just giving people that outlet upfront would spare all this nonsense and let us talk about the actual content of the article-- namely the display quality.
 
In what regards? I'm curious, haven't had any time with the 12" pro before.

It's most noticeable when reading a magazine. The colour balance just doesn't seem right. The dark parts of the page appear really dark and lifeless. There is something wrong with the colour gamut. It's hard to describe but you can definitely notice it. I never noticed it with my old iPad Air 2. Maybe it's a different screen tech on the larger iPad screen.
 
It's most noticeable when reading a magazine. The colour balance just doesn't seem right. The dark parts of the page appear really dark and lifeless. There is something wrong with the colour gamut. It's hard to describe but you can definitely notice it. I never noticed it with my old iPad Air 2. Maybe it's a different screen tech on the larger iPad screen.
Is this with True Tone on?
 
Persinally, I don't find the new display to be any better than the Air 2. Both are good. The new 9.7 is a bit brighter, but at the brightness levels I tend keep my iPad at (usually 50% or lower),I don't see much of a difference. I thought I liked TrueTone, but I don't think it's the big display enhancer some claim it to be and I'm kind of over it now. It's really a matter of preference, though. I like cooler display tones for everyday viewing, and I think night shift works better for those late night hours when I want less blue.
 
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The Air 2 already had one of the best tablet displays on the market. The Pro, with Pencil support, keyboard support, better speakers, more base storage, the best screen available anywhere, etc. is well worth the minor price bump. If it's not, well then lucky you, Apple dropped the price of the still excellent Air 2!
Couldn't have said it better myself. If you want the best, buy the Pro. If the Air 2 is good enough for you, it's now cheaper. Buy whatever works for you.
 
Is this with True Tone on?

The 12" iPad Pro doesn't have a toggle to switch the true tone on/off as far as I can tell. I know there is an option on the new 10" iPad to enable or disable the true tone but the 12" iPad doesn't have that switch.
 
The 12" iPad Pro doesn't have a toggle to switch the true tone on/off as far as I can tell. I know there is an option on the new 10" iPad to enable or disable the true tone but the 12" iPad doesn't have that switch.
My apologies, I didn't realize you were talking about the 12" (or rather...I forgot). The 12" does not have that feature so something else may be going on there. Are you within the return period? You may want to get it checked out if something appears wrong on there.
 
I know you said you're not into handwritten notes, but if you are GoodNotes is supposedly very good at handwriting recognition: http://www.mcelhearn.com/some-thoughts-on-the-apple-pencil/
Good to know. I think it would be a great feature to build into iOS for a lot of people, but It wouldn't be very useful to me.

I've been taking notes on computers since the late 1980s (using the Atari Portfolio and later the Zeos Pocket PC). My handwriting was never very good, and if I wanted to read my own notes, I needed another way to take them.
 
The Air 2 already had one of the best tablet displays on the market. The Pro, with Pencil support, keyboard support, better speakers, more base storage, the best screen available anywhere, etc. is well worth the minor price bump. If it's not, well then lucky you, Apple dropped the price of the still excellent Air 2!
Exactly. My experience with the new iPad has been that the screen is definitely better and the speakers are much louder. Speed is about the same, and I doubt I'll every even use the camera. I think the $499 64GB iPad Air 2 is a better option price-wise, but the Pro is a great tablet.
 
Must have missed the memo where you were made the final word and authority on tech bargains. The rest of us were working off the assumption that we could decide for ourselves what is and isn't worth our money.

Remember; just because you can't afford something doesn't mean it's a bad deal.

On the same note, just cause someone can afford it does not make it better. Why assume that people that are critical .....cannot afford it? Silly.

For me the price is not an issue at all. Stupid protruding lens on a device that is suppose to be lying on its back is the deal breaker. Even if it cost 1/2 of the air 2 that is daft to me and I would not buy it, bad design.
 
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