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Hope it works out as your daily driver.

I'd put myself as another not wanting a 13 year old car as a daily driver car for $9k, but meh, it's your money.

(for what it's worth I bought a 05 with 44k miles for about $7,500 this summer)

You got a GT for $7,500?

I'm quite happy with my purchase. I remember when I was 16-17, going to the dealers after hours back in '99-'00 when these cars were just barely off the assembly line, drooling over them for hours. This is exactly what I used to drool over--loaded black ones with the 17" rims and leather. When I think of a Mustang, this is the style I think of, because it's the style that was the hotness when I was a teenager.

I do love the interiors of the '05+, but the cars themselves are just getting bigger, heavier, and losing sight of what they once were. Same can be said of the Camaro and the Challenger.
 
You do know that the classic Mustang was a big heavy beast right? The 67 Shelby was no small car.
 
You do know that the classic Mustang was a big heavy beast right? The 67 Shelby was no small car.

The coupes were around 2,700 pounds with a V8.

A Shelby today comes in close to two tons. The car's roof is almost as tall as I am.
 
The coupes were around 2,700 pounds with a V8.

A Shelby today comes in close to two tons. The car's roof is almost as tall as I am.
The 67 GT 500 was 3,370.
This is what a Mustang should look like.
GT500.jpg

What Ford did to the Mustang in the 80's and 90's is a sin.
 
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The 67 GT 500 was 3,370.
This is what a Mustang should look like.
GT500.jpg

What Ford did to the Mustang in the 80's and 90's is a sin.

Unfortunately though, those cars were few and far between, and cost six figures today. The vast, vast, vast majority of cars sold were 289 coupes or straight sixes, which weighed in around 2700 pounds with a 289, and lighter with a six. Even still, a Shelby today weighs over 3,800 in coupe form, and 4,000 in convertible form. However you look at it, the cars today are way fatter than they used to be. Truthfully, molding a bunch of urethane and fiberglass to that yellow car you posted is a sin.

A pig's a pig, 550 HP or not. They still weigh a LOT more than they used to, and they are a LOT taller and a good bit bigger. Go look at the wheel wells on a new Challenger, they are radiused to fit 20s from the factory, while still riding factory high with about a 5 inch gap between the wheel and fender. In other words, they are designed to fit 24" rims in them, and that design excess carries throughout the rest of the car, making a huge ass car. I parked my Camaro next to one and the new Challenger was a full foot taller at the roof. Nice car, but it was fat, bloated plastic. The new Mustangs and Camaros are just the same. What Ford did to the Mustang in the '80s and '90s is the only reason they still make them today. You should be thankful they made pony cars during that time frame because all you could get were Fox bodies and F-bodies, when they couldn't for the life of them figure out how to get good power with computer management and emissions; at least they still pressed on making them. The 5.0 of the day was a fantastic car and a fantastic motor, hardly a sin. Maybe you don't like the styling, but they ran 14s right out of the box which is still respectable, and they could be made into absolute monsters for dirt cheap.

If you don't like my car, that's fine, I really don't care. I'm not sure what you are trying to get at constantly telling me how much the car I like and bought sucks. If you don't like it, just go away? I really don't understand your angle here.
 
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Unfortunately though, those cars were few and far between, and cost six figures today. The vast, vast, vast majority of cars sold were 289 coupes or straight sixes, which weighed in around 2700 pounds with a 289, and lighter with a six. Even still, a Shelby today weighs over 3,800 in coupe form, and 4,000 in convertible form. However you look at it, the cars today are way fatter than they used to be. Truthfully, molding a bunch of urethane and fiberglass to that yellow car you posted is a sin.

The lateral grip and braking capabilities of today's production Mustangs are all superior to the 60s originals, even if they do weigh more. Also, if you wreck a new one you'll probably survive, which can't really be said of the 60s models.

Personally I'm not a big fan of the 90's Mustang styling, and I think that the live axle is ridiculous, but they are still competent musclecars and if you like the styling by all means, go with what you want.
 
The lateral grip and braking capabilities of today's production Mustangs are all superior to the 60s originals, even if they do weigh more. Also, if you wreck a new one you'll probably survive, which can't really be said of the 60s models.

I agree. Same could be said of most any car today, really.

Personally I'm not a big fan of the 90's Mustang styling, and I think that the live axle is ridiculous, but they are still competent musclecars and if you like the styling by all means, go with what you want.

Thanks, I'm pretty happy with it. Just got a couple more things to sign and it should be mine. I got a lot of car for the money I paid (the car really is loaded--5 speed, black leather, Mach 460 stereo, full power, premium wheels, etc. etc.), and it'll be paid off in a year when I get my refund for all the pension I've paid into here. That was kind of the goal; keep the loan small and easily affordable, and limit it to an amount I'll be able to pay off in a year or thereabouts. This car should last me several years, and has to since up next is a car for the wife--if possible we are going to try to never have more than one car payment at a time. The other nice thing is that a black on black Mustang GT with a 5-speed will be cake to sell later.

They were asking $10k + fees, and I got them to give it to me for $8,150 including delivery (+ fees) to my dad's place in the neighboring state. They had originally quoted me $350 for delivery, so I basically got the car for $7800. Total price out the door was just a few dollars over $9000 even, and that includes all the sales tax and fees to title and register it in my state, which the dealer is going to do for me which is pretty sweet. So @ $10k, it would've been about $11.5k out the door, but I got it for $9k out the door, so $2500 off ain't too shabby. So I put $1800 down and financed $7200 @ 3.99% for 36 months, so it's a short term, super low interest rate, and small loan so I can't really go wrong. $221 for the payment, and $83/mo for full coverage so I'm right at $300 total per month which is plenty comfortable. Real happy with how this has worked out so far.

Yeah, I could've bought an '02-'04, or hell I would've gotten approved for a new $37k GT if I wanted (but I couldn't have actually afforded the latter), but I just didn't want to get one. The '02-'04 with super low miles was still in the comfortable/affordable zone, as were the '05-'07 models, but I just didn't want to go that deep, because I wouldn't have been able to pay it off as quick as I wanted. I always loved the '94-'98 models, optioned exactly as mine is with the nice wheels and in black (or bright red), and they are a little cheaper so it was win-win for me. I didn't want to get an '02-'04 with a bigger payment and think it had such blah styling and want to do a bunch of stuff to make it look good--I really just wanted something great ot of the box...though it's tempting to tint it, lower it a couple inches, and throw on a catback and an X-pipe...must resist. :)
 
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Also the 5.0 was '94-'95, they switched to the 4.6 in '96.:)

Yeah, I don't know how I screwed that up, I've been playing with Fox/SN95/NewEdge cars too long to make that mistake :eek:

The Maximum or Griggs Panhard Bar/Torque Arm/Matching Springs are well worth the upgrade even if you won't be doing any racing.

Basically, as the car rolls from side to side the upper control arms need to change length. In order for this to happen Ford went with fairly soft bushings, this causes pinion angle and wheel hop problems. If you go with firmer bushings the arms can't change length as needed and the suspension will bind causing a loss of traction. Ford picked a bushing that is somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, it does none of its functions well and can't without changing the actual design of the suspension itself.

The torque arm/panhard bar combination allows you to completely remove the upper arms and eliminate the binding, pinion angle and wheel hop problems all at once. The change is so dramatic that you need to change the springs in the rear to balance the new rear setup
 
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind when the mod bug inevitably hits.

To safely/properly lower it on drop springs, what all do I need? I know on my Camaro I need a new panhard bar, torque arm, and LCA relocation brackets...how about on these SN95 cars?

It's pretty impressive what can be done on that '79 chassis...
 
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind when the mod bug inevitably hits.

To safely/properly lower it on drop springs, what all do I need? I know on my Camaro I need a new panhard bar, torque arm, and LCA relocation brackets...how about on these SN95 cars?

It's pretty impressive what can be done on that '79 chassis...

It just proves that with enough time, you can actually polish a turd. :D

Simply lowering it does some really wacky things, it will have a better feel, but actually handle worse.

I would suggest doing some searching on www.corner-carvers.com though I must warn you, it is run very differently than most forums. The good thing about their strict rules is that they have collected some of the best Mustang tech out there when it comes to getting these cars to turn.
 
Cool, I'll check that out.

I got the purchase agreement this morning finally, but there are 5 mistakes...ugh. That's another day, have to call them tonight when they open. Once I get that right, then I can fax it to my credit union and they can cut the check and I can arrange delivery.
 
Hope everything goes well with your purchase! Just got an '07 mustang. My first car! I got it for $12,000. It's a V6 with 35,000 miles. Looks and drives amazing, just installed sequentials the other day. Next mods include SCT Tuner, CAI, and true dual exhausts. I personally prefer the look of the '05-'09 compared to any other model... Have fun with your new pony! :D
 
I am currently(and slowly) building an engine for my SVO. The gaol is 450 HP, anything over that is a bonus. Once the engine, tranny and rearend are built it is time to tear the whole car down for paint. In the meantime I'll slowly buy parts for it and drive what little life it has left out of it.
 
Hope everything goes well with your purchase! Just got an '07 mustang. My first car! I got it for $12,000. It's a V6 with 35,000 miles. Looks and drives amazing, just installed sequentials the other day. Next mods include SCT Tuner, CAI, and true dual exhausts. I personally prefer the look of the '05-'09 compared to any other model... Have fun with your new pony! :D

Thanks, the check is in the mail from the credit union, so hopefully delivery can be arranged as early as Tuesday, probably for next weekend so hopefully in a week I'll have it. Enjoy your pony, I do like the interiors a lot.:)

I am currently(and slowly) building an engine for my SVO. The gaol is 450 HP, anything over that is a bonus. Once the engine, tranny and rearend are built it is time to tear the whole car down for paint. In the meantime I'll slowly buy parts for it and drive what little life it has left out of it.

That's gonna be a beast. At some point when I tear down my Camaro, I want around that power level...but I can't decide if I want to go with the traditional SBC, or go for a built LS1. The LS1 would be nice, but that is a LOT of money to do that swap.
 
Hope you get your car soon, I'm sure you'll love it.

Off-topic: I have an acquaintance at school who currently drives a 2000 Ford Ranger (125K miles, over $2,500 worth of unfixed damage from an accident, though he didn't cause the accident). He's always lusted after Mustangs, but they really aren't my thing, as I really classify them nowadays as 'teenager' cars and think kids get them, have no idea how to drive them, and get in wrecks.

Well today he went down to the dealer and picked up a brand new 2011 Mustang GT Premium with quite a few options, out the door for $39,xxx after TT&L. Please tell me you others think buying a college-bound 18 year old a $40K car is a crazy idea? This kids family makes a modest $75,000 a year, and God knows that factoring in interest this thing will produce a low-mid $800/month car payment for the next 4-5 years. Just thought I'd mention how crazy it is giving a kid a car like that. Not to mention his college commute when he comes home for holidays and such is about 220 miles.. a 450 mile trip in a V8 with a teenager at the wheel is a gas saver. :rolleyes:
 
Hope you get your car soon, I'm sure you'll love it.

Off-topic: I have an acquaintance at school who currently drives a 2000 Ford Ranger (125K miles, over $2,500 worth of unfixed damage from an accident, though he didn't cause the accident). He's always lusted after Mustangs, but they really aren't my thing, as I really classify them nowadays as 'teenager' cars and think kids get them, have no idea how to drive them, and get in wrecks.

Well today he went down to the dealer and picked up a brand new 2011 Mustang GT Premium with quite a few options, out the door for $39,xxx after TT&L. Please tell me you others think buying a college-bound 18 year old a $40K car is a crazy idea? This kids family makes a modest $75,000 a year, and God knows that factoring in interest this thing will produce a low-mid $800/month car payment for the next 4-5 years. Just thought I'd mention how crazy it is giving a kid a car like that. Not to mention his college commute when he comes home for holidays and such is about 220 miles.. a 450 mile trip in a V8 with a teenager at the wheel is a gas saver. :rolleyes:

I wouldn't call them teenager cars with $35-$40k stickers on them. In fact, that's the oxymoron of the cars (Camaro and Challenger included); those cars were originally built to be affordable for mid-twenty-somethings and aimed at them, that was the whole idea. Now the only people who can afford them comfortably/realistically are middle-aged guys (FTR I see a lot of young people on the Stang forums who are putting virtually nothing down on them, or are upside down on them because they were upside down on their trades). You could argue that the retro style is aimed at middle-aged guys, but its not like 25 year olds could really afford 2002 Camaros or 2004 Mustangs when they were new either, since they were still $30k+ cars with any options on them beyond being stripper models. Granted you get a hell of a lot of car for the money (400+ hp, WOW) but that in and of itself kind of rules it out of being aimed at teenagers. It's a coffin on wheels in the hands of the unexperienced.

While I think it's asinine to buy an 18 year old kid a $40k car just to show your big financial dick to your neighbors (that's all it is, parents competing with each other...I mean come on, the "regular" GT wasn't good enough, it had to be the premium, and loaded at that?), I'm more concerned with the fact they thought it was wise to buy an 18 year old kid a 12 second, 412 horsepower car, that very, very, very easily can be made to have 500 horsepower and 11 second time slips. That's a coffin on wheels. Also it's kind of laughable that they bought the $39k dollar car, there basically wasn't an option they left out; while they were at it they may as well have just ponied up another $8k to get a 550 hp Shelby, lol. I priced one out the other day, GT premium with every performance option including Brembos, 3.73s, HIDs, and everything but the worthless Microsoft SYNC crap and the biggest stereo option, and it was $37k. I could get a loan for it, I'd qualify, but I certainly couldn't afford it, let alone afford it and contribute to savings/retirement. I'd have to have $17k down, and even then I'd still feel pretty iffy about a $400-$500 payment for five years. My 225 hp GT would/should be plenty enough fun for an 18 year old kid. Hell I'll be 27 in less than two weeks, and I'm happy with my old GT.

Hope his parents enjoy the insurance bill on a 412 horsepower car for an 18 year old. My guess is they are completely aloof to it being a 412 hp car. That car sadly will get trashed on a college campus. Parking it outside is a crime in and of itself, let alone on a street at a college where a bunch of drunks will be stumbling by every weekend, puking/pissing on it, or screwing with it just because it's a brand new Mustang on the street and will attract unwanted attention.

FTR, I think this horsepower renaissance is going to be short-lived. Two things killed the F-body (Camaro/Firebird): GM's asinine policy of not advertising the cars, and the insurance and death rate for them. Those last 98-02 cars were rated at 305-325 hp from the factory, and it has been proven time and time and time again that those cars were severely underrated in power from the factory, with guys putting as much as 300 at the rear wheels, meaning the cars really were making around 360 at the flywheel. Too many people killed themselves with those and shot insurance rates through the roof, and now all of a sudden we have 412 hp Mustangs, ~425 hp Camaros, and ~376/425 hp Challengers (and I believe the Challenger is up in power now with the 392 Hemi, but I haven't checked). Not to mention the 550 hp Shelby GT 500, the 440 HP Boss 302 coming out in a couple months, the Camaro ZL1 which is going to be a supercharged 427 (600+ horsepower??) or the absolutely INSANE 638 hp ZR1 Vette. There's also a Z28 in the works, and Chrysler's got a couple things up it's sleeve too I believe. Basically 412 hp is the bottom of the scale, which is freaking crazy. Granted all of these cars are priced far outside of what a teenager, or even twenty something could afford, and a lot of those cars will remain high in value for a long time, staying out of the hands of those young guys, but when the regular Camaros/Mustangs/Challengers start to drop in price over the next couple years and CAN be gotten into for under $20k, you're going to see a lot of deaths, and you're going to have a repeat of 2002 when the F-Body got killed because it was too much of a liability with its power levels and image. I'm not saying they will kill the models entirely, but they are going to scale them back dramatically; unless you've ridden in a 400+ hp car you can't even begin to fathom how much power and how fast that really, truly is. It's an insane power level.

I think these horsepower days are limited. Hell of a time to be buying, the cars are faster than most of the muscle cars of the '60s, by a good margin. I wish I could be dropping dimes at the dealer on any 400+ hp machine of my choice. But I'll have to stick with my "lowly" 225 hp 14 second GT, and hope the wife lets me put an exhaust on it. I figure I may be able to get a new one when I'm 40, and that's being realistic, and probably stretching it. Maybe 45.
 
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