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9C60 unveiled.
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How could Apple NOT know about it? they CHOSE three different display vendors with similar displays, all 6 bit. It's not just a mistake....regrettably. The new models by AU are also 6 bit it seems, though the 2 lights should make it better.
So everyone has the banding..... wow that sucks. I did some test last night and I do see some slight banding with the green. I tried it on my external and saw it also, but not as much.
I wish my MBP had the display my Powerbook G4 Ti had, that was very smooth.
I guess I can be happy that my LCD has no dead pixels or any other problems.
I wish my MBP had the display my Powerbook G4 Ti had, that was very smooth.
I guess I can be happy that my LCD has no dead pixels or any other problems.
three vendors
First, thanks to iW00t for doing the legwork on the 9C60. The info was really useful. Has anyone got the details on the 9C61 and 9C62 screens?
iW00t, what is the manufacturer code on your 9C60? My 9C61 is manufacturer 0610.
PCE, you mention 3 vendors for the MBP screens. We know one is AU Optronics. Any idea what the other two are?
One person at the Apple store I spoke with said he thinks they may use LG/Phillips and Samsung. Others have mentioned ChiMei.
I looked up ChiMei's notebook LCD selection on their website and there is nothing in the 17 inch category which has a 1680x1050 resolution (only monitors were shown)
http://www.chimei.com.tw/en/product_list.asp?mainclassid=4&subclassid=7
ScreenTek sells replacements for the two screens the MBP 15.4 and two the MBP 17 use, but no mention of manufacturer:
http://www.screentekinc.com/apple-laptops-lcd-screens.shtml
First, thanks to iW00t for doing the legwork on the 9C60. The info was really useful. Has anyone got the details on the 9C61 and 9C62 screens?
iW00t, what is the manufacturer code on your 9C60? My 9C61 is manufacturer 0610.
PCE, you mention 3 vendors for the MBP screens. We know one is AU Optronics. Any idea what the other two are?
One person at the Apple store I spoke with said he thinks they may use LG/Phillips and Samsung. Others have mentioned ChiMei.
I looked up ChiMei's notebook LCD selection on their website and there is nothing in the 17 inch category which has a 1680x1050 resolution (only monitors were shown)
http://www.chimei.com.tw/en/product_list.asp?mainclassid=4&subclassid=7
ScreenTek sells replacements for the two screens the MBP 15.4 and two the MBP 17 use, but no mention of manufacturer:
http://www.screentekinc.com/apple-laptops-lcd-screens.shtml
I always thought that the manufacturers were Chimei, Samsung and AU, but I also thought that the 096C0, 09C61 etc displays were samsung and now they turn out to be AU so I'm not sure anymore. When I think about it, it would surprise me that any of these displays are samsung since samsung usually makes very good displays. Now we need somebody to do the same thing under windows with the 09c57 and 09c56 displays too...
Unfortunately I can't tell right now.
My Macbook Pro is currently checked in for servicing for a few unrelated issues (squeaky keyboard, kernel panics, and I also made a passing reference to the screen for being "sparkly" and grainy).
Would other MBP users mind posting doing the same as well? That way we can have more info on exactly what screens are used in the current crop of MBPs.
The instructions for doing so can be obtained in the forum linked in my sig.
I just remembered I did this screen shot a while back, my manufacturer number is 0610
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My Macbook Pro is currently checked in for servicing for a few unrelated issues (squeaky keyboard, kernel panics, and I also made a passing reference to the screen for being "sparkly" and grainy).
Would other MBP users mind posting doing the same as well? That way we can have more info on exactly what screens are used in the current crop of MBPs.
The instructions for doing so can be obtained in the forum linked in my sig.
I just remembered I did this screen shot a while back, my manufacturer number is 0610
Another explanation could be that the 9C61 is the new and improved screen that an earlier poster in this thread was talking about.
When did you purchase your machine?
Do you have Windows installed on your MBP?
Even newer AUO panel?
It'd be really great if you guys have Boot camp installed so you can just run Astra and see what these LCDs are.
Even newer AUO panel?
It'd be really great if you guys have Boot camp installed so you can just run Astra and see what these LCDs are.
Indeed. Can't do Bootcamp as I have W2K. Am considering Parallels though.
Wonder why W2K won't do Bootcamp.
Won't the drivers work or something? You mainly need the ATi drivers to get rolling.
60/61/62
Mine is a 17 inch model from week 51, with a 9C61 screen. It seems that week number doesn't determine which screen you get, as someone in week 46 has a 9C62 screen.
The new and improved screen from AUO only applies to a 15 inch screen and is very new. I doubt it is being used in the MBP 15 inch model right now, although it could be at any time I suppose.
I don't know of improved 17 inch screens from AUO. In fact, a look at AU Optronic's web site shows that they don't even have a screen with 1680x1050 resolution. Hadn't noticed that before....
http://www.auo.com/auoDEV/products.php?sec=notebook&func=items&items_id=2&ls=en
I was under he impression that it only worked with XP SP2.
Mine is a 17 inch model from week 51, with a 9C61 screen. It seems that week number doesn't determine which screen you get, as someone in week 46 has a 9C62 screen.
The new and improved screen from AUO only applies to a 15 inch screen and is very new. I doubt it is being used in the MBP 15 inch model right now, although it could be at any time I suppose.
I don't know of improved 17 inch screens from AUO. In fact, a look at AU Optronic's web site shows that they don't even have a screen with 1680x1050 resolution. Hadn't noticed that before....
http://www.auo.com/auoDEV/products.php?sec=notebook&func=items&items_id=2&ls=en
Try this folks...
I was reading the other thread about modding displays when I chance on this post talking about a UNIXy command that can be run under OSX.
It supposedly produces output that looks like this. I think it'd suit our purposes just the same.
I was reading the other thread about modding displays when I chance on this post talking about a UNIXy command that can be run under OSX.
It supposedly produces output that looks like this. I think it'd suit our purposes just the same.
Code:
Monitor Name EPI EnVision EN-775e
Monitor ID EPID775
Model EN-775e
Manufacture Date Week 26 / 2002
Serial Number 1226764172
Max. Visible Display Size 32 cm × 24 cm (15.7 in)
Picture Aspect Ratio 4:3
Horizontal Frequency 30–72 kHz
Vertical Frequency 50–160 Hz
Maximum Resolution 1280×1024
Gamma 2.20
DPMS Mode Support Active-Off
Supported Video Modes:
640×480 140 Hz
800×600 110 Hz
1024×768 85 Hz
1152×864 75 Hz
1280×1024 65 Hz
Monitor Manufacturer:
Company Name Envision, Inc.
Did you install the boot camp driver CD and reboot your computer before running Astra?
Yes! Couldn't leave home without them. Also before you ask I am using the latest version (1.1.2) of Boot Camp.
It looks like the 9C61 screen has been found. Thanks for the legwork. Nice that it's Samsung who makes it...
So we know it's 6-bit. Notice the response time, though? 25 ms.
All the claims that Apple chooses 6-bit panels so they can get fast response times are pure hooey. The panel is SLOW. So much for gaming or watching movies without ghosting. This ought to put to rest the stupid idea that 6 bit TN panels are faster than 8-bit SIPS panels. Nonsense.
Come on, Apple, if you are going with a slow screen at least give us true color. Or use a fast 6-bit screen. There are plenty of notebook LCDs that are true color and fast. Fujitsu uses them. Yet Apple somehow gets the rep for great screens and being suitable for graphics pros.
Not for the MBP, that's for sure. What a joke...
It looks like the 9C61 screen has been found. Thanks for the legwork. Nice that it's Samsung who makes it...
So we know it's 6-bit. Notice the response time, though? 25 ms.
All the claims that Apple chooses 6-bit panels so they can get fast response times are pure hooey. The panel is SLOW. So much for gaming or watching movies without ghosting. This ought to put to rest the stupid idea that 6 bit TN panels are faster than 8-bit SIPS panels. Nonsense.
Come on, Apple, if you are going with a slow screen at least give us true color. Or use a fast 6-bit screen. There are plenty of notebook LCDs that are true color and fast. Fujitsu uses them. Yet Apple somehow gets the rep for great screens and being suitable for graphics pros.
Not for the MBP, that's for sure. What a joke...
You can watch movies plenty fast on that 25ms screen. 1000ms / 25 = 40. Which means the panel can accomodate up to 40 frames a second, plenty fast for a 29.7 frames per second DVD.
I'd rather have better image quality than faster refresh rates, since who the hell games on OSX or watches movies on a 15"/17" screen anyway?!
I do for one. My laptop screen is my main screen. If I wanted to buy a second screen just to be able to basic things without screen artifacts I would have bought a different computer. Even with a typical 16ms response time people get plenty of lag on their screens for various applications. 25 ms is going to be worse. Plenty of apps would benefit from a faster response time.
But I agree image quality is more important still, and I'd prefer better image quality over a fast screen, if I were forced to choose. It seems Apple has skimped on both.
Some have said that 6-bit ain't all bad, because Apple in their wisdom have given us a fast screen, and we can't have it all. So much for that argument...
But hey give me 24-bit color and even lighting and I'll live with the slow response time!
THERE ARE NO 8BIT LAPTOP SCREENS AT THIS RESOLUTION AND SIZE.
Yes, that is supposed to be all caps. Sorry guys, but it isn't a "choice" by apple. The manufacturers don't have any 8 bit screens available for use, therefor apple cannot sell one. Eventually they will, maybe it will be an oled, maybe we will get that 1920x1200 10bit screen with LED backlights. Who knows, but right now, today, we have the best available.
As for refresh time, I would bet they are actually the same between au and samsung. Depends mostly on the initial measurement and if it was a grey to grey or white to black measurement. Most of those "8ms" screens are actually 8ms grey to grey, but 25-45ms white to black (or at least as grey as the monitor gets).
OEM specs are generally closer to the truth than "published" specs, and AU needs to sell harder than samsung.
Sorry if you dont want to accept that, but it is the truth.
Yes, that is supposed to be all caps. Sorry guys, but it isn't a "choice" by apple. The manufacturers don't have any 8 bit screens available for use, therefor apple cannot sell one. Eventually they will, maybe it will be an oled, maybe we will get that 1920x1200 10bit screen with LED backlights. Who knows, but right now, today, we have the best available.
As for refresh time, I would bet they are actually the same between au and samsung. Depends mostly on the initial measurement and if it was a grey to grey or white to black measurement. Most of those "8ms" screens are actually 8ms grey to grey, but 25-45ms white to black (or at least as grey as the monitor gets).
OEM specs are generally closer to the truth than "published" specs, and AU needs to sell harder than samsung.
Sorry if you dont want to accept that, but it is the truth.
Bzzt, wrong answer.
Not having that 8 bit is no excuse for graininess, poor viewing angles, AND poor colour saturation. Best available? On what merit? It has no redeeming quality.
Oh yeah, maybe "best price".