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I was worrying Mac Mini might lag if I tried to have lots of apps open. Is that not true?

That's a RAM issue. If you have 8GB of RAM then, by today's standards, you will only have lag on programs that utilize that much and need more (of which you probably won't be using at a family computer) or programs that can't use past 4GB, and at that point, all the CPU power in the world won't stop things from lagging.
 
another thing i was worried about was that mac mini had dual core not quad core unlike the iMac. Would that make any difference in app loading speed or when I try to run heavy apps like Final Cut Pro?

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What are some of those programs that can't use past 4GB?
 
another thing i was worried about was that mac mini had dual core not quad core unlike the iMac. Would that make any difference in app loading speed or when I try to run heavy apps like Final Cut Pro?

If you think you need a quad core (which i honestly doubt) there is a quad core version of the mac mini.

Todays macs of things called "virtual cores".
the mac mini would have 2 physical cores, and 2 virtual cores.

If you got the quad core mac mini, you would have 8 cores...
 
what are quad cores used for? is it just for gaming? not something like FCP?
 
another thing i was worried about was that mac mini had dual core not quad core unlike the iMac. Would that make any difference in app loading speed or when I try to run heavy apps like Final Cut Pro?


For loading, no. For actual rendering, yes, but for what you're doing with it, the difference will be negligible.

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What are some of those programs that can't use past 4GB?

Any 32-bit app.

Rule of thumb- if you dont know what it is you dont need it.

That's a great rule. I may have to quote that from now on.
 
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I would like to know what 32 bit is.

Also how negligible is the negligible difference in rendering? Milliseconds?

I'm thinking if I get mac mini I would want two small monitors because I think two small monitors are better for multitasking than one big monitor. True?
Maybe I could get two of these? http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-S20A3...JM/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1328460047&sr=8-17

Wiki 32 bit vs. 64 bit if you are really curious. In the meantime, it doesn't really matter.
As for the difference in render time, it's in seconds. Not enough to worry about unless this is in a production environment and not a home.

As for two monitors, go for it. The Mac mini offers two connections so you can do just that.
 
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Is the rendering time how much you wait while the movies are being processed at the end? Or your activities on the FCP while editing process itself? I'm not sure if that makes sense. I'm fuzzy as to what the process was like. I'm wondering if the part where I wait a long time is slow a few seconds so it doesn't matter or some editing part. Or maybe the waiting long time happens in the editing process and I'm kind of impatient when it comes to speed.

Basically what I want to ask is how much time difference would the seconds of delay add up to for each video I want to edit if the video is like 15 minutes long, filmed with the iPhone4. But then that depends on how much I'm going to edit it I guess?

It would be nice if I could test both Quad core and dual core with FCP before buying to see if the speed difference is negligible enough for me. Is there a way to do this?
 
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Is the rendering time how much you wait while the movies are being processed at the end? Or your activities on the FCP while editing process itself? I'm not sure if that makes sense. I'm fuzzy as to what the process was like. I'm wondering if the part where I wait a long time is slow a few seconds so it doesn't matter or some editing part. Or maybe the waiting long time happens in the editing process and I'm kind of impatient when it comes to speed.

Basically what I want to ask is how much time difference would the seconds of delay add up to for each video I want to edit if the video is like 15 minutes long, filmed with the iPhone4. But then that depends on how much I'm going to edit it I guess?

It would be nice if I could test both Quad core and dual core with FCP before buying to see if the speed difference is negligible enough for me. Is there a way to do this?

No, but I can tell you it's a difference of a negligible amount, especially if it's just iPhone 4 footage (in which FCP X is overkill and iMovie is probably the better tool to use anyway). Like seriously, it's not even worth worrying about it anywhere near as much as you are here. A dual-core machine won't have you feeling stupid for not having gotten a quad-core machine instead.

More than the number of cores you have, the biggest bump to speed you can give to a modern day computer is replacing the boot/applications hard drive with an SSD. How many cores you have does, again, a negligible amount of difference even by comparison.
 
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1. Best Buy warranty covers accidental damage as well. Then who would get apple care instead of best buy warranty?

2. I was thinking perhaps i7 is faster but here it says there's no notable difference:
There is no doubt that both the core i5 and core i7 represent significant values. However, these are SYNTHETIC benchmarks that treat hyperthreading cores the same as the physical cores in the core i7 cpu. Thus, the 35% boost over the core i5 is not surprising. One should be aware, however, that in most real life situations, the additional computing power provided by hyperthreading is often only marginal, at best 5-7% beyond what can be achieved by the four physical cores, and this requires programs that operate in a highly parallel fashion, such as video encoding. For many applications, there is simply no difference and for some, there is actually degradation because the instructions provided by the application cannot be executed in parallel and result in the stalling of the physical cores. This is not a problem in PCs because hyperthreading can be turned off in the BIOS if one finds this effect or if the hyperthreading is causing the chip to overheat, which does happen. From what I have read so far, it would appear that there may not be any way to accomplish this in the iMac. Thus, one should consider carefully the type of software to be run before deciding. Bigger is not always better.

Also, do not be confused by Intel's naming protocols. The 2.8 GHZ core i7 on offer is NOT a Nehelem chip, but rather uses the same Lynnfield architecture of the 2.6 core i5 chip. Both use dual channel memory controllers (as opposed to the faster tri-channel memory for Nehelem chips), are capable of only half the video bandwidth of the Nehelem chip and also utilizes a higher latency, slower interconnect bus than the Nehelem core i7's. On the plus side, the energy efficiency of these Lynnfield chips is much better than the first generation Nehelem chips. They use much less electricity both on idle and at load than the Nehelem chips, which is probably why Apple waited for them to be released. Nevertheless, the 2.8 core i7 chip with hyperthreading will run significantly hotter and draw mopre power than the core i5. So if heat and/or power consumption are a concern, stick with the i5. https://www.macrumors.com/2009/11/14/core-i7-based-27-imac-benchmarks-show-significant-improvements/

3. I've been reading from various sources and I read that Mac Mini is like getting a notebook computer in a shell so is not worth it?

4. I think I might in the future want to get professional camcorder too.
 
1. Best Buy warranty covers accidental damage as well. Then who would get apple care instead of best buy warranty?

2. I was thinking perhaps i7 is faster but here it says there's no notable difference:

3. I've been reading from various sources and I read that Mac Mini is like getting a notebook computer in a shell so is not worth it?

4. I think I might in the future want to get professional camcorder too.

1. What kind of accidental damage do you anticipate happening to your Mac mini?

2. For light editing, the difference isn't worth it, you might as well stick with the i5.

3. The Mac mini is a notebook computer in a shell; but it's tons more reliable than an iMac and given that you clearly don't need speed for what you're doing as this is a family machine, IT DOESN'T MATTER!

4. What do you want with a professional camcorder? I thought you were just going to shoot and edit family home movies.:confused:

Who would get AppleCare instead of best buy warranty? I'll bite..

Someone that wanted a real tech to work on their machine???

+1

What kind of tech works are there? Could you give examples?

People who don't know what they're doing; this is why Apple warranty is better.
 
3. The Mac mini is a notebook computer in a shell; but it's tons more reliable than an iMac and given that you clearly don't need speed for what you're doing as this is a family machine, IT DOESN'T MATTER!

4. What do you want with a professional camcorder? I thought you were just going to shoot and edit family home movies.

Speed does matter though. Nobody likes lagging. And I have lots of apps open usually. I really wish I could try both to see for myself what the difference is like.

Yes but I like super hi quality videos. I would like to make very high quality family videos, 1080p, to be able to cherish memories in razor sharp resolution.
 
Speed does matter though. Nobody likes lagging. And I have lots of apps open usually. I really wish I could try both to see for myself what the difference is like.

Okay, again, that's an issue of RAM and not an issue of CPUs, quad-core or dual-core, i7 or i5. The iMac takes the exact same type and kind of RAM that the Mac mini does and the Mac mini (albeit unofficially) maxes out at the exact same amount of RAM as the iMac. Your mileage won't vary here. It won't matter.

Not to be rude, but I think it might be beneficial for you to learn about how all of the different parts of a computer function and what they do, because otherwise you'll get lost in all of the marketing minutia. I suggest going to Wikipedia or picking up a Computers for Dummies book.

Yes but I like super hi quality videos. I would like to make very high quality family videos, 1080p, to be able to cherish memories in razor sharp resolution.

Professional vs. Consumer Camcorder doesn't equate to 1080p vs. less-than-1080p. You can get a low-end consumer camera that shoots the razer sharp 1080p resolution that you want. Where the professional cameras come in are on customizations to what it is that you're shooting (such as lighting, focus, audio inputs and all of that) and again, if all you're doing is family home videos, YOU DON'T NEED THAT. In fact, given that family moments tend to happen spur of the moment, you probably don't want to spend fifteen minutes tweaking settings you won't care about before capturing those moments that will have already passed by anyway. You want something small and ready to go.
 
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Professional vs. Consumer Camcorder doesn't equate to 1080p vs. less-than-1080p. You can get a low-end consumer camera that shoots the razer sharp 1080p resolution that you want. Where the professional cameras come in are on customizations to what it is that you're shooting (such as lighting, focus, audio inputs and all of that) and again, if all you're doing is family home videos, YOU DON'T NEED THAT. In fact, given that family moments tend to happen spur of the moment, you probably don't want to spend fifteen minutes tweaking settings you won't care about before capturing those moments that will have already passed by anyway. You want something small and ready to go.

Exactly. Here is just a little blurb. My 62 year old father really wanted to get an SLR so he got the Nikon D3100, at the same time, he gave me a present of the Cannon Elph 100HS. (a cheap little camera that shoots full hd, 12 mp, and more)

Several months later-
[pretty much] All of our memories from our vacation were taken on my 'inferior' point and shoot

Meanwhile my dad got sick of carrying such a bulky camera and just used his iphone.


for under $140, the Cannon Powershot Elph 100hs is a terrific camera.
 
I want to move the stuff in my old MacBook Pro to my new iMac. The question is, if I do that using Time Machine would Snow Leopard come over too? I first tried to do it via Mac to Mac over the WiFi but it would just load and load.

The Best Buy guy said that I can't exchange the Magic Mouse with the trackpad because Magic Mouse came in the package. But aren't they supposed to give a choice in the first place?

I was looking at some HP all-in-one. If I bought this one (i7) wouldn't it be faster than iMac? How does it compare with the iMac 27inch all in all? I'm afraid maybe I made the wrong choice...

Not sure if you have an Apple store near you but I know at my Apple Store, they'd allow you to swap the Magic Mouse for the Trackpad.
 
1: HP's machines suck. Period. Worst quality, worst included bloatware, worst offense of included bloatware, worst tech support, worst everything. Laptops, desktops, everything. I'm told that their business machines are better in this regard, and that's all well and good, but I get the feeling this is not exactly for business use and is more of a home machine, am I right?

So which Windows machine would be best to get?

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That being said, with the word "Hackintosh" being thrown around, I will affirm that, while it does require a certain degree of preparation, research, and (sometimes [your mileage will certainly vary based on how well you have researched and prepared]) headaches, you will always get a better bang for your buck than just about any desktop Apple makes, and it will be upgradable in ways that even the Mac Pro isn't and never will be.

That said, Hackintoshing a laptop isn't anywhere near as feasible, and with the MacBook Pro being probably the best engineered laptop out there from a servicing/repair/reliability standpoint, I'll typically recommend it over all of Apple's other Macs if one doesn't want to go the Hackintoshing route.

About how many hours of research does it take to build a hackintosh, and is this by buying parts and building from scratch or by buying already built tower and then tweaking it? Would it be better for me to buy a used MacBookPro instead of a new Mini Mac?
 
I would suggest returning the iMac and going with a 15" MacBook Pro and an external display. If you really don't want a laptop and if that doesn't suit you, then I'd say go with a Hackintosh if you're feeling adventurous, go with a refurbished Mac Pro (on Apple's refurbished Mac section of their online store) if you need the performance and don't want to be bothered with the hassle of making a Hackintosh, or if neither of those suit you and/or you don't need that much performance either way, just get a higher-end Mac mini. Either way, regardless of which of the four options I've laid out here you want to go with, you are free to get whatever external display you want.
For higher-end Mac mini, what should I configure it to? i7?
SDD? And how much would that cost in total.

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I do have a used 2008 MacBook (white), but its harddrive failed and its screen has partial blackout 1 inch from the right. Maybe I should replace that harddrive with SDD, and then up the GB from 2GB to maybe 6GB, and buy external display and make that a home computer?

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Come to think about it, I wonder why I shouldn't just get a Windows tower for maybe $500. Why does one need a Mac OS over Windows 7, when non-Mac computers come with much better specs than Mac?
 
Come to think about it, I wonder why I shouldn't just get a Windows tower for maybe $500. Why does one need a Mac OS over Windows 7, when non-Mac computers come with much better specs than Mac?

If it does not matter to you then you should get a PC. There is little value in a Mac if you do not like or care about using OS X.
That said, PC's do not COME with much better specs but they can be specced out to be better because they are pretty much a sum of someone else's parts.
This is also true of the Mac but Apple tweaks and modifies certain aspects. PC's can be built to order and almost every piece can be hand chosen and chosen with the latest and greatest available because selling you a package that has been tested to perform together is not really their concern. They let Windows sort all that experience stuff out. On the low end though Apple does offer better parts on average. Every time I shop for a PC I absolutely have to go with the model advertised and then upgrade it because the $500.00 one they advertise sucks too much.
 
So which Windows machine would be best to get?

There's no better Windows machine than one you build yourself. Hands down.

About how many hours of research does it take to build a hackintosh, and is this by buying parts and building from scratch or by buying already built tower and then tweaking it? Would it be better for me to buy a used MacBookPro instead of a new Mini Mac?

You already have a MacBook Pro. Decide whether you want a Mac or a PC for the family, because it seems like you're on the fence. If Mac, decide whether you want a new MacBook Pro for yourself or not; if you do, give your old one to your family, problem solved. If not, buy a higher-end Mac mini, and a monitor of your choice, call it a day.

I'd highly recommend first learning much more about computers than you already do before undertaking a Hackintosh project. It's not hard, but it requires that you know a bit about computers and how Mac OS X works.

For higher-end Mac mini, what should I configure it to? i7?
SDD? And how much would that cost in total.

I don't think you need the i7 over the i5, but it's not that much more money. As for how much it costs, go to www.apple.com/store and figure it out.

I do have a used 2008 MacBook (white), but its harddrive failed and its screen has partial blackout 1 inch from the right. Maybe I should replace that harddrive with SDD, and then up the GB from 2GB to maybe 6GB, and buy external display and make that a home computer?

It'll only take up to 4GB. But that works too.

Come to think about it, I wonder why I shouldn't just get a Windows tower for maybe $500. Why does one need a Mac OS over Windows 7, when non-Mac computers come with much better specs than Mac?

Because many of us feel that Mac OS X delivers a better user experience than Windows. Windows 7 is a fine operating system, but Mac OS X 10.6/7 is prefered. It's a personal preference. Take your family to Best Buy and ask them how they feel about it. Really, before continuing this thread further, you might want to take a few days and figure out what you want, because no one here is going to be able to tell you what YOU want. We can only give advice based on what we know is out there (i.e. HPs sucking and iMacs being failure-proned due to a poorly engineered thermal envelope). We can't tell you what you want. We're also not your most efficient means of learning about the differences between computers or how they work.
 
There's no better Windows machine than one you build yourself. Hands down.
Is it easy to build one yourself? Or how much time does it take? And if you can build a windows computer is it easy to make it hackintosh too? Is buying a refurbished/used Windows tower worth it?



You already have a MacBook Pro. Decide whether you want a Mac or a PC for the family, because it seems like you're on the fence. If Mac, decide whether you want a new MacBook Pro for yourself or not; if you do, give your old one to your family, problem solved. If not, buy a higher-end Mac mini, and a monitor of your choice, call it a day.

I'd highly recommend first learning much more about computers than you already do before undertaking a Hackintosh project. It's not hard, but it requires that you know a bit about computers and how Mac OS X works.
Ok. What if I bought a Windows laptop for $400 ish and then added 4GB for a total of 8 GB, and replaced the HDD with SSD, then used it with a display? I'm thinking of this one: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung...220&skuId=4700082&st=samsung laptop&cp=1&lp=2
 
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There's no better Windows machine than one you build yourself. Hands down.

What would be the best Windows machine (company-wise) out of the ones already built?
 
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