A gift from me to apple re MacMini 2012

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  1. philipma1957, Aug 2, 2011
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    Well now that the 2011 mini has launched and it is a nice machine I have no complaints about it for my personal use. I had an early thread the first on mac rumors on what the 2012 mini needs to have.

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1191667&highlight=


    I again talked about it on another site

    http://www.123macmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=29377

    MY idea was bring back the brick. For high end option thus allowing psu removal from the inside and having a 110 watt psu on the outside. The 110watt psu would allow a good gpu and a quad as a hi end option. Most against this said it is a step backwards and apple would not do it. I have to agree and have come up with a better outside power supply.

    The 2011 mini uses a power cord that plugs into a wall socket. I say wall mount the brick give it two plugs to plug into the wall socket.

    This is a photo of a kill- a -watt if you had an apple power meter/psu it would look somewhat like the kill-a-watt and just plug into the wall.

    One pass through plug like the kill-a-watt and a mini power cord at the top that mag attaches to the mini.

    So to Steve J and the mini design team this is my gift for you a simple new solution that would allow the mini's footprint to remain the same. It also allows for easy cooling and better quad/gpu options just in case t-bolt is a bust. You could do this with not a lot of effort. It also keeps the control/profit in your hands and not in the hands of external companies that offer an external pcie card holder.

    I added a second photo with help from my good friend mr b. It is quite easy to imagine combining the mini psu with the kill-a-watt's pass through plug feature. The brick is wall mounted out of site and out of mind. Remember right now you have a plug into the wall and a wire to the mini. A 110watt psu cures all ills. It would be very nice for quad cpu's and discrete gpu's in the same box. So steve it is a free idea to kick around.
     

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  2. gigaguy macrumors 65816

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    I like your passion and expertise on the Mini, and wanting to make it better. But we all know Steve is about minimalism design, sometimes or many times, over function. That's why they did away with the brick, it was big next to the Mini.
    I do worry about the alum. Mini and overheating. I keep my Texas home kind of warm in the summer, and the mini, getting smaller and smaller, and now with more power hungry CPUs and GPUs has got to be heating up.
    I'm glad we have such a knowledgeable proponent for the Mini, in Phil!
     
  3. philipma1957 thread starter macrumors 603

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    This is truly a source of frustration as many users would want this as a piece of gear. Myself I have enough fire power with a mac pro on hand. I would like a mini that is a quad such as the 2011 server I would want it to have a real gpu. I could get rid of the mac pro. the mac pro pulls more then triple the power of the mini .

    as a server for business this unit could pull around 80-95 watts attach to a huge t-bolt 6 drive daisy chain total of 12 hdds. it would work as well as a mac pro no not the dual hex mac pro but a quad mac pro. it would be as good as the killed off servers from 09. it would use half the power.
     
  4. BeatCrazy macrumors 65816

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    No way the brick is coming back. Apple is all about small form factor, elegance, and low power draw. An external PSU with higher wattage goes against each of those missions.
     
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    And, it's ugly!!!!!!!
     
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    Not bad but dont think apple will do it. Personally, I would want a quad core of at least 2.66ghz along with a dedicated gpu w/512 vram. Apple could redesign the mini to add and inch or two to the height for better cooling and to bring back the dvd drive. Doubt either will happen as the powers above are pushing cloud computing down are throats.
     
  7. FrankHahn macrumors 6502a

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    Yes, a power supply unit outside the Mac Mini can be classified as a sloppy industrial design. Imagine what happens if the power cord is mistakenly plugged into a normal outlet, not into a kill-a-watt-like psu? The Mac Mini will be burnt! Therefore, the gift of the OP would lead to a disaster if Steve Jobs indeed accepted it and followed the design of the OP!
     
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    That is not possible you are not understanding design. It is idiot proof. two plugs on the back only allow it to be put into a double wall socket one way. The external socket is passthrough 120watt standard socket. That wire in the photo on the mini power supply goes to the mini. It would only go to a mini if you kept the end like the 2009 brick but you could make it a mag connect and it works with all mac book pros or the 2012 mini.

    lots of people could use this as a universal apple power supply.



    I had a passthrough plug put in for those that complain you lose 2 plugs with this design.
    That plug is pass through standard plug 120 watts


    the power connection on the upgraded mini would use a mag connection just like a macbook pro does. If a magnetic connection does not work the same connector as the 2009 can be used.

    This is only a possible solution to the inability to combine a quad and a gpu in the same mini.

    It is easy to see no way will the box get bigger.

    Once you realize that the server has a nice fast quad cpu that is close to the speed of a base mac pro it is very easy to see that people can use it for a lot of business purposes.
    If they also need a better gpu an external option via t-bolt should come out this year but it will be costly and use a lot of power. If you have a choice of a wall wart or this see link what is better.


    http://www.sonnettech.com/product/images/thunderbolt/echoexpress.png




    this is apples current magsafe power adapter for 15 and 17 inch macbook pros

    http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC556LL/B?afid=p210|frgl&cid=AOS-US-SHOP-Froogle


    by the way it is not really big enough for 24/7 use but the battery added solves that problem.


    I am only expanding on this idea. For the future mac mini power growth. I would certainly want this over the sonnetech for better gaming no one would ever need to see it plugged under a desk.


    also the new t-bolt display has a mag safe connection yeah it is an 85 watt one but make 95 to 110 watts and plug it in your mini you would be good to go. so you have the further integration possibility of not using the new wall brick you can use the new display to power the mini. this would be elegant and allow less wires it would be a good selling point.

    how about t-bolt apple display

    2012 power house mini two wires from the mini to the display. one wire from the display to the wall done!
    the mini has a quad the mini has a very nice gpu. many people would pick it up.. this setup could also help solve the famed yellow screen issue since the display has less heat inside it.
     
  10. BeatCrazy macrumors 65816

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    Are you pulling our legs with all this talk? Making anything "universal" when it comes to power supplies is a quick way to melt ten thousand electronic devices around the country, and open Apple up to more lawsuits than it could handle.
     
  11. YanniDepp macrumors 6502

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    There won't be a universal power supply for Macs, especially not MagSafe. Here's why:

    MacBook Pro / MacBook Air / MacBook
    - Something pulls the power cable, even slightly.
    - MagSafe adapter comes out, machine is now running on battery.
    - Get the cable and plug it back in.
    - Carry on as before.

    Mac Mini / iMac
    - Something pulls the power cable, even slightly.
    - MagSafe adapter comes out.
    - Machine switches off. You lose anything unsaved.

    See the problem? I've even managed to switch my 2009 mini off a few times while trying to plug a USB device in.
     
  12. philipma1957, Aug 2, 2011
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    good answer back to drawing board!

    answer found below

    so the universal is out but this works for mini

    http://www.allelectronics.com/make-...LE-5-PIN-DIN-CONNECTOR-IN-LINE-LOCKING/1.html
    so the grandiose unification goes by the wayside. oh well .

    Still if you had a mini with the wall wart / locking plug as an option giving you the quad and the good gpu with same size mini. Having about 110 watts instead of 85 watts I would sign on now. I don't think you can get a good gpu and a quad in the current size box.
     
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    whatever the outcome of the powersupply...

    ...Mr B rocks!
     
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  15. mrklaw macrumors 68000

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    what would be wrong with something like a 17" MBP charger, only terminating in a different connector?

    either a figure of eight like currently for a snug fit, or a standard PC laptop type plug, which is plenty for things like USB external hard drives, or modems
     
  16. philipma1957, Aug 2, 2011
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    Yeah just a small boost in power would fix problems.

    Even a 95 watt psu would get past the power limits set by the current internal psu I would think a 2012 with this cpu or better could work

    http://ark.intel.com/products/series/53252 along with the amd radeon hd 6750m for the gnu
     
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    You know one thing that would make me really happy?

    Power bricks that don't take up two, three, or four outlets' worth of space on a regular power strip. Maybe have a short breakout cord with a regular plug rather than having the power prongs on the brick itself. Seriously, I swear some of those things must have been intentionally designed to be as obnoxious as possible.

    That being said a lot of laptops have something like this already. It's the many peripherals that don't which bother me.
     

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