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Reading your post tends to make me think you really don't have any knowledge of the subject at all since you still haven't made a single factual point. They store it far away because of people like you who are needlessly fearful of a technology you don't understand...

By the way - france is currently using the level of "waste" we're creating to produce energy but because of politics we're so far behind in the game we don't have that level of technology yet.

So how many people were exposed to excessive radiation at the infamous 3 mile island incident? Ya know - the WORST nuclear power plant accident we've ever had.

Hint - it's 0...

"Don't mind the glow, it's like a nice tan... " that's the FUD - you've never been around one, you've never seen one, you've never talked to anyone who works with them you're just venting about something you have no idea about. That would probably help your argument - ya know - facts and stuff...

First off, my comments about any "glow" were sarcastic in tone. Secondly, I highly doubt agencies and governments spend billions in "storing" nuclear waste because of its "negative public image". I'm certain, albeit in my base knowledge of Chem 101, that nuclear waste from fission is not as harmless as you claim.

Here are some facts:

High Level Waste (HLW) is produced by nuclear reactors. It contains fission products and transuranic elements generated in the reactor core. It is highly radioactive and often thermally hot. HLW accounts for over 95% of the total radioactivity produced in the process of nuclear electricity generation.

In the United States alone, the Department of Energy states that there are "millions of gallons of radioactive waste" as well as "thousands of tons of spent nuclear fuel and material" and also "huge quantities of contaminated soil and water". Despite these copious quantities of waste, the DOE has a goal of cleaning all presently contaminated sites successfully by 2025. The Fernald, Ohio site for example had "31 million pounds of uranium product", "2.5 billion pounds of waste", "2.75 million cubic yards of contaminated soil and debris", and a "223 acre portion of the underlying Great Miami Aquifer had uranium levels above drinking standards". The United States currently has at least 108 sites it currently designates as areas that are contaminated and unusable, sometimes many thousands of acres.

The DOE wishes to try and clean or mitigate many or all by 2025, however the task can be difficult & it acknowledges that some will never be completely remediated, and just in one of these 108 larger designations, Oak Ridge National Laboratory, there were for example at least "167 known contaminant release sites" in one of the three subdivisions of the 37,000 acre (150 km²) site.[2] Some of the U.S. sites were smaller in nature, however, and cleanup issues were simpler to address, and the DOE has successfully completed cleanup, or at least closure, of several sites.

Here's a link from the EPA on some info YOU might want to read:

http://www.epa.gov/radiation/docs/radwaste/402-k-94-001-snf_hlw.htm

"Until a disposal or long-term storage facility is operational, most spent fuel is stored in water pools at the reactor site where it was produced. The water removes leftover heat generated by the spent fuel and serves as a radiation shield to protect workers at the site."

"The operation of nuclear reactors over the last twenty years has substantially added to the amount of radioactive waste in this country. As shown in Figure 1, by the year 2020, the total amount of spent fuel is expected to increase significantly."

"Some elements, such as plutonium, in HLW and spent fuel are highly radioactive and remain so for thousands of years. Therefore, the safe disposal of this waste is one of the most controversial environmental subjects facing the federal government and affected states.
The federal government (the EPA, the DOE, and the NRC) has overall responsibility for the safe disposal of HLW and spent fuel. The EPA is responsible for developing environmental standards that apply to both DOE-operated and NRC-licensed facilities. Currently, the NRC is responsible for licensing such facilities and ensuring their compliance with the EPA standards. DOE is responsible for developing the deep geologic repository which has been authorized by Congress for disposing of spent fuel and high level waste. Both the NRC and the Department of Transportation are responsible for regulating the transportation of these wastes to storage and disposal sites."

However, the cleanliness of nuclear power is nonsense. Not only does it contaminate the planet with long-lived radioactive waste, it significantly contributes to global warming.

While it is claimed that there is little or no fossil fuel used in producing nuclear power, the reality is that enormous quantities of fossil fuel are used to mine, mill and enrich the uranium needed to fuel a nuclear power plant, as well as to construct the enormous concrete reactor itself.

Indeed, a nuclear power plant must operate for 18 years before producing one net calorie of energy. (During the 1970s the United States deployed seven 1,000-megawatt coal-fired plants to enrich its uranium, and it is still using coal to enrich much of the world’s uranium.) So, to recoup the equivalent of the amount of fossil fuel used in preparation and construction before the first switch is thrown to initiate nuclear fission, the plant must operate for almost two decades.

But that is not the end of fossil fuel use because disassembling nuclear plants at the end of their 30- to 40-year operating life will require yet more vast quantities of energy. Taking apart, piece by radioactive piece, a nuclear reactor and its surrounding infrastructure is a massive operation: Imagine, for example, the amount of petrol, diesel, and electricity that would be used if the Sydney Opera House were to be dismantled. That’s the scale we’re talking about.

And that is not the end of fossil use because much will also be required for the final transport and longterm storage of nuclear waste generated by every reactor.

From a medical perspective, nuclear waste threatens global health. The toxicity of many elements in this radioactive mess is long-lived.

Strontium 90, for example, is tasteless, odorless, and invisible and remains radioactive for 600 years. Concentrating in the food chain, it emulates the mineral calcium. Contaminated milk enters the body, where strontium 90 concentrates in bones and lactating breasts later to cause bone cancer, leukemia, and breast cancer. Babies and children are 10 to 20 times more susceptible to the carcinogenic effects of radiation than adults.

Plutonium, the most significant element in nuclear waste, is so carcinogenic that hypothetically half a kilo evenly distributed could cause cancer in everyone on Earth.

Lasting for half a million years, it enters the body through the lungs where it is known to cause cancer. It mimics iron in the body, migrating to bones, where it can induce bone cancer or leukemia, and to the liver, where it can cause primary liver cancer. It crosses the placenta into the embryo and, like the drug thalidomide, causes gross birth deformities.

Finally, plutonium has a predilection for the testicles, where it induces genetic mutations in the sperm of humans and other animals that are passed on from generation to generation.

Significantly, five kilos of plutonium is fuel for a nuclear weapon. Thus far, nuclear power has generated about 1,139 tons of plutonium.

So, nuclear power adds to global warming, increases the burden of radioactive materials in the ecosphere and threatens to contribute to nuclear proliferation. How's that for not knowing what I am talking about. Think before you personally judge someone without knowing them first. In the mean time, enlighten me further on how nuclear by products from nuclear reactors are good... I'm waiting with bated breath...
 
Plz don't go watch an inconvenient truth or take an intro enviro coarse and start spitting out a stupid line about climate change, and if you want to, go find a crappy environmental forum.

I find it odd that you are telling me not to talk about global warming in a thread which deals with Apple's environmental policy. I am amused, however, by your insult. Sinking to insults is the sign of losing an argument.

I'm not spouting off stuff that I have read or seen. I haven't actually seen "An Inconvenient Truth", and my environmental science course did not actually cover this. This is based on logic. A 1º change is a gigantic difference when the temperature of a whole planet is raised.

A 1º change does sound like a minor change. But what about large gigantic chunks of ice and such which are right at the freezing point? 1º is all it needs to melt - in fact, it doesn't even need that much of a difference. You might say, well, if it is so close to melting, surely as the temperature fluctuates it would melt anyway. It would, but it would refreeze as well. A 1º temperature increase means a lot less ice that refreezes, meaning a lot higher of a sea level.
 
Hmm...last reply was deleted...oh well. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I agree that nuclear power is not a proper alternative to fossil fuels. Heck, if anything, I'd say that fossil fuel is actually the lesser of two evils, since its waste product is not nearly as deadly per unit compared to that of nuclear fission.

Isn't the actual mining process in itself a hazard?
 
Hmm...last reply was deleted...oh well. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I agree that nuclear power is not a proper alternative to fossil fuels. Heck, if anything, I'd say that fossil fuel is actually the lesser of two evils, since its waste product is not nearly as deadly per unit compared to that of nuclear fission.

The pollution that coal-plants pump to the atmoshepere actually contain large amounts of radioactivity. And fact remains that pollution from fossil fuels is pumped straight in to the atmoshpere where it spreads everywhere uncontrollably, whereas radioactive waste is stored centrally. I think it's safe to say that fossil fuels have killed a lot more people on this planet than nuclear power has.
 
Efficient if you dig deeper

First, re AppleTV: yes you CAN turn it off. Just hold down the center button for about a second or a second and a half, and boom, off it goes. Now that wasn't too hard to figure out, was it? Granted, they do generate a lot of heat while on, and an auto sleep mode should shurely have been provided.

now that everyone is complaining about the mercury in fluorescent displays let's remember that compact fluorescent bulbs contain 2 - 5 mg of mercury each. this is what al gore says we should all use? considering the number of people who will not recycle these bulbs and do not know where to do so, shouldn't we also push for a better lighting technology there??? it seems inconsistent to me.

Second, compact fluorecsents release LESS mg than incandecent in reality, even when improperly disposed of. How? Simply by consuming a LOT less power, power which is still at this date generated largely by coal plants. The mg spewed into the air during power generation to power an incandescent is actually more than the combined from generation for the CF bulb plus the mg in that bulb. More important to clean up the coal plants.
 
First, re AppleTV: yes you CAN turn it off. Just hold down the center button for about a second or a second and a half, and boom, off it goes. Now that wasn't too hard to figure out, was it? Granted, they do generate a lot of heat while on, and an auto sleep mode should shurely have been provided.

Careful, the amount of power drawn while in sleep is pretty close to that when it is switched on. Someone in the aTV forum did a full study.

If you want to turn it off, then turn it off at the wall.
 
The pollution that coal-plants pump to the atmoshepere actually contain large amounts of radioactivity. And fact remains that pollution from fossil fuels is pumped straight in to the atmoshpere where it spreads everywhere uncontrollably, whereas radioactive waste is stored centrally. I think it's safe to say that fossil fuels have killed a lot more people on this planet than nuclear power has.

Read my post above as this statement is not exactly true...
 
I find it odd that you are telling me not to talk about global warming in a thread which deals with Apple's environmental policy. I am amused, however, by your insult. Sinking to insults is the sign of losing an argument.

I'm not spouting off stuff that I have read or seen. I haven't actually seen "An Inconvenient Truth", and my environmental science course did not actually cover this. This is based on logic. A 1º change is a gigantic difference when the temperature of a whole planet is raised.

A 1º change does sound like a minor change. But what about large gigantic chunks of ice and such which are right at the freezing point? 1º is all it needs to melt - in fact, it doesn't even need that much of a difference. You might say, well, if it is so close to melting, surely as the temperature fluctuates it would melt anyway. It would, but it would refreeze as well. A 1º temperature increase means a lot less ice that refreezes, meaning a lot higher of a sea level.

That is not true... take a glaciology coarse then come back to me, not a enviro coarse where the professor has a sub par understanding of how a glacier works. And how in the world will removing lead and mercy affect global warming in any significant way. Yes this form discusses the environment but if you are going to comment on global warming make the comment a correct one.
Also you make it sound that there didn't use to be a degree of fluctuation in temperature over a span of a year, which is more like 5 degrees to 10, and that never made a huge difference in sea level change.
 
And how in the world will removing lead and mercy affect global warming in any significant way.
Again you've used a somewhat insulting tone. Is that really necessary?

I don't think that removing mercury or lead will affect global warming. As it relates to Apple, I think that both sides are spinning things for their own benefit. It is pretty obvious with Greenpeace - their statements on Apple on their website look almost blatantly biased.

As for sea levels, haven't those already been impacted? In addition, weather patterns have seemed to change. The already erratic weather where I live (snowing one day, over 70º and sunny the next), has been getting steadily more erratic - each year new records seem to be set, weather has been much more extreme.

And if one might say that it may be 100 years from now and they may be dead then - well, what about your children? Are you willing to sacrifice the next generation?

I am not an expert in this field, so I can't know for sure about what should/shouldn't be done and what consequences can result. I do know that I'd prefer to be safe than sorry. I do not believe that some new technology will be able to stop global warming on a dime, and I think at some point the changes humans brought about on the planet will reach a point of no return. There will be no undo button. I think that the human race would still survive, but how much would be left?

It's like if one eats tons of unhealthy food; some may not hurt, and if they eat too much for awhile but stop soon enough they might be able to recover, but if they eat too much, they may end up with a disease that cannot be so easily cured. They may still even live a long life, but they may have to suffer for the choices they made earlier on.

I want my children, and their children, to have a healthy planet in which to live. I don't want them to have to suffer for choices being made today. Too many people have this attitude. (I'm not accusing you - I don't know your opinion). To many people are content to continue living their lives in a certain pattern, no matter what the consequences for the future generations - and I'm not only talking about global warming. It is widespread in modern society. It seems that if something does not directly affect a person, it must not matter.



Now that I've finished my little rant and gotten off my soapbox, I'll shut up. :D

Back to Apple: I think that I won't be completely satisfied until Apple products are completely clean, but I'll still buy them. I'm not going to viciously attack Apple for not removing certain chemicals. I think Greenpeace is way over the top, and has been quite unfair with Apple.
 
That is not true... take a glaciology coarse then come back to me, not a enviro coarse where the professor has a sub par understanding of how a glacier works. And how in the world will removing lead and mercy affect global warming in any significant way. Yes this form discusses the environment but if you are going to comment on global warming make the comment a correct one.
Also you make it sound that there didn't use to be a degree of fluctuation in temperature over a span of a year, which is more like 5 degrees to 10, and that never made a huge difference in sea level change.

This is incredibly erroneous. I recommend reading this article from "Realclimate.org":

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/the-ipcc-sea-level-numbers/

Two global coupled climate models show that even if the concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere had been stabilized in the year 2000, we are already committed to further global warming of about another half degree and an additional 320% sea level rise caused by thermal expansion by the end of the 21st century. Projected weakening of the meridional overturning circulation in the North Atlantic Ocean does not lead to a net cooling in Europe. At any given point in time, even if concentrations are stabilized, there is a commitment to future climate changes that will be greater than those we have already observed.

Assuming the 20th-century data bears a direct correlation to future trends, applying these new parameters to the scenarios of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) leads to the conclusion that "sea levels in the year 2100 will be 0.5 to 1.4 meters higher than in 1990," Rahmstorf wrote in an online advance publication of the scientific journal Science.

The United Nations panel IPCC assumes that the average global temperature will increase by up to 4.5 degrees Celsius by 2100, and that the sea level will rise by up to 43 centimeters as a result of the water's thermal expansion alone. Moreover, the incipient melting of Greenland's pack ice could significantly increase that number, according to the IPCC report released in February 2007.

A special report prepared earlier this year by the German Federal Scientific Advisory Committee on Global Climate Change (WBGU), found that "a sea level rise is part of the inescapable physical consequences of global warming." Some of the key points made in the report include:

- At the peak of the last ice age some 20,000 years ago, the sea level was roughly 120 meters lower than it is today; the global climate was colder by four to seven degrees Celsius.

- During the last warm period, the Eemian interglacial era of 120,000 years ago, the world was roughly one degree warmer than it is today; the sea level was approximately two to six meters higher.

- Three million years ago in the Pliocene era, when the earth was two to three degrees warmer than it is today, sea levels were 25 to 30 meters higher.

We are still far away from anything close to a 30-meter increase in the water line. But on the flipside, there is a considerably greater danger of storms and floods in London, New York and other cities in the coastal regions of the North Atlantic. Some coastal cities could even sink completely this century, a study found early in March 2006.

"The decisive factor is not the mean sea level, but rather the storm surges that are packed on top of it," German coastal climate expert Ralf Weisse told SPIEGEL ONLINE. In the worst-case scenario -- if sea levels really went up 140 centimeters by 2100 -- not even the Thames Barrier, the world's largest flood barrier, would be enough to stem the tide. However, sea levels will not increase overnight, and there is enough time to build new safeguards, Kevin Horsburgh of the Proudman Oceanographic Laboratory said.

Does humanity really want to risk our planet by furthering our environmentally harmful lifestyles? Beyond the rising sea levels, there will inevitably be negative impacts upon the ecosystems and species that are hugely dependent upon them. Species are already becoming or have been extinct due to the destruction of ecosystems those organisms depend on for life due to over population and pollution. Besides whaling and poaching, improvements in health and science have created a sudden burst in human population in the past century that is largely to blame for the destruction of natural resources that maintain global climate homeostasis. The increased burning of fossil fuels to compensate for the worlds population would have been controlled had it not been for suburban sprawl; unregulated construction and destruction of forests for greed and human consumption only worsened by the kilometers of heat inducing asphalt and millions of automobiles that produced the necessity for such transit systems.

The sudden melting of fresh ice water will surely affect the dense, warmer salt water, possibly reversing or halting the many oceanic belts that help regulate global climate. Scenario's presented in such films as "The Day After Tomorrow", as extreme in nature as they may be, are based on very current principal models of sudden changes resulting from the mix of fresh ice water and dense, warm sea water. Certainly the impact displayed in such films was exaggerated and would most likely not occur in such a short period of time, however the "reversing" of the oceanic belt due to the denser sea water being replaced with fresh water would negatively impact the poles and equator, almost resulting in a reversal of global climate. Such a change would create even more cataclysmic storms, greater than anything currently experienced by humanity. Imagine hurricanes such as Katrina year round and ten times more powerful, or typhoons resulting from the disastrous mix of newly melted glaciers and warm equator waters. I would hope the apathy that most of humanity has displayed towards such a possibility would be quickly eradicated with the unfortunate predicament our technology and advancements have created. Remember, for every action there is always an opposite and equal reaction. Pondering the possibilities of any equal and opposite reaction from mankind’s arrogance and ignorance towards its only home is a very sobering reality indeed.
 
Read my post above as this statement is not exactly true...

What is not true? That fossil fuels have killed more people than nuclear has? How many millions have died prematurely because of pollution that is being pumped to the atmoshpere? How many people died due to Chernobyl? I have heard worst-case estimates of around 50.000. Are you saying that airborne-pollution due to fossil fuels have killed LESS than that? And that's without taking in to account the death in the coalmines, damage to biosphere due to oil-spills and so forth.

You then start talking nonsense about the amounts of fossil fuels being spent minig nuclear fuel and building nuclear power-plants. Well, how much fossil fuels are being spent mining coal and building non-nuclear powerplants? Seriously, by your logic the only way to NOT contribute to global warming is not to build ANY kind on powerplants. Windmills included.
 
What is not true? That fossil fuels have killed more people than nuclear has? How many millions have died prematurely because of pollution that is being pumped to the atmoshpere? How many people died due to Chernobyl? I have heard worst-case estimates of around 50.000. Are you saying that airborne-pollution due to fossil fuels have killed LESS than that? And that's without taking in to account the death in the coalmines, damage to biosphere due to oil-spills and so forth.

You then start talking nonsense about the amounts of fossil fuels being spent minig nuclear fuel and building nuclear power-plants. Well, how much fossil fuels are being spent mining coal and building non-nuclear powerplants? Seriously, by your logic the only way to NOT contribute to global warming is not to build ANY kind on powerplants. Windmills included.

Ignorance. My non-sense was actually taken from a speech given by Dr. Helen Caldicott, 9/3/2001, and later applauded by Australia in their efforts for cleaner energy. I find it humorous that when ones argument is defeated they resort to name calling as a last resort as my statements are far from non-sense (I recommend you reread my post, #276). The extreme examples given are meaningless compared to the grand scale of waste in building and using Nuclear energy. More fossil fuels are spent in mining for the Uranium and building of Nuclear plants than the cleaner energy nuclear plants intend to produce, so much so that it takes two decades for nuclear plants to compensate for the pollution given in constructing each individual core, not including the deconstruction of highly radioactive materials after each plant expends it's 30-40 year life.

This is not including the highly radioactive materials such as Stronium 90 and Plutonium. It seems you skipped over some facts that I would highly recommend rereading. Giving examples of what MIGHT have happened with 3 Mile Island but didn't isn't helping your cause as I really would rather avoid a situation such as that from happening. Nuclear energy is only as stable as the workers that run those plants, and I would rather not take my chances with human error. Just because it HASN'T happened doesn't mean it won't, thus why risk a North American Chernobyl when there are other viable and safer alternatives to energy. More over, with the coming boom in human population, there will only be more plants and more waste to dispose of, which doesn't lend much comfort especially given the prospects of nuclear proliferation and weaponry. Again, "five kilos of plutonium is fuel for a nuclear weapon. Thus far, nuclear power has generated about 1,139 tons of plutonium."

One can either continue ignoring the dangers of nuclear energy AND fossil fuels, or the world can work together on developing more green energy such as wind, solar and hydro-electricity as well as the booming prospects of hydrogen fuel cell technology. The facts I have stated are directly from scientific journals, medical and science publications and fact. It is hard to argue with fact.
 
Reading your post tends to make me think you really don't have any knowledge of the subject at all since you still haven't made a single factual point. They store it far away because of people like you who are needlessly fearful of a technology you don't understand...

By the way - france is currently using the level of "waste" we're creating to produce energy but because of politics we're so far behind in the game we don't have that level of technology yet.

So how many people were exposed to excessive radiation at the infamous 3 mile island incident? Ya know - the WORST nuclear power plant accident we've ever had.

Hint - it's 0...

Maybe that's because we only had a partial meltdown in that case. By your thinking we got lucky so it makes the technology safe. Sorry but IMHO reactors need to be kept outside or on the fringes of cities so in the event something really does go wrong you don't have to evac an entire city.
Like most technologies we still don't know the long term effects on how this crap is going to be managed long term. Shall I rattle off technologies that were found to be great at the time but a few decades later ooops my bad they screw up the environment.
Are people overly paranoid about nuclear plants? Yes. But I would counter that I'd rather have a country overly paranoid then a country to plays fast and loose with such things. A lot of things went wrong in Chernobyl. Many of which simply couldn't happen with the safety measures, and designs that are in place today. (Hell 3MI was based around designs from what? 1960's?) However contemplate what if. What if 3 mile had turned into a Chernobyl? This is not a technology you play fast and loose with.
Anyways I still hold out hope for http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7168
The dream of cold fusion isn't over yet.
 
That is not true... take a glaciology coarse then come back to me, not a enviro coarse where the professor has a sub par understanding of how a glacier works. And how in the world will removing lead and mercy affect global warming in any significant way.

Without mercy God will torch the earth and turn it into a pile of molten brimstone... so yeah, I suppose that will affect "global" warming.
 
Well, I'm not a tree-hugger myself, but I am glad to see Apple able to legitimately differentiate itself in yet another meaningful way from it's competitors.

And as far as GreenPeace is concerned, the only reason Apple (or any other company) feels the need to respond to them is they're a bunch of whacko armed militant nutjobs who don't mind causing real physical harm to advance their ends, and the governments of the world let them get away with their nonsense.
 
Ignorance. My non-sense was actually taken from a speech given by Dr. Helen Caldicott, 9/3/2001, and later applauded by Australia in their efforts for cleaner energy. I find it humorous that when ones argument is defeated they resort to name calling as a last resort

If "nonsense" is "name-calling", then what is "ignorance"?

Yes, construction of nuclear power-plants consumes fossil fuels. Yes, mining uranium consumes fossil fuels. But so does manufacturing of windmills. Windmills require less fossil fuels of course, but they also produce a lot less electricity. By your logic there is no form of energy that doesn't consume fossil fuels.

Giving examples of what MIGHT have happened with 3 Mile Island but didn't isn't helping your cause

Um, I haven't said anything about Three Mile Island.

as I really would rather avoid a situation such as that from happening.

Well, as it is, it hasn't really happened. It did in Chernobyl, but can you really draw far-reaching conclusions about nuclear safety based on what happened in Chernobyl?

why risk a North American Chernobyl when there are other viable and safer alternatives to energy.

Because those "other viable sources of energy" aren't really that viable in all cases? Because the reactors used in North America (and elsewhere) are of different type than the one in Chernobyl, making such an accident next to impossible?

One can either continue ignoring the dangers of nuclear energy AND fossil fuels, or the world can work together on developing more green energy such as wind, solar and hydro-electricity as well as the booming prospects of hydrogen fuel cell technology.

Well, hydro-electricity wrecks havoc to the rivers. And in case of Finland (where I happen to live) we are already pretty much maxed out on hydro. So that leaves us with wind and solar. Well, the thing is that our energy-consumption is at it's highest in the winter. And that is also the time when we get the least amount of sunshine in the year (northern Finland gets NO sunshine, whereas southern Finland gets few hours), and that is also the time when we have the least amount of wind. So I guess we are pretty much screwed, eh?

It is hard to argue with fact.

try arguing with my facts then.
 
Recycling

I'm sorry for resurrecting this topic, but I didn't know where else to ask this.

I have a G3 tower with monitor and an iMac DV Special Edition that I don't want any more as I bought a new Mac ages ago. However, how do I recycle them in the UK? I know that Apple has a computer recycling program in the US, do they have something similar here? If not, how do I get rid of them?

Thanks in advance.
 
I'm sorry for resurrecting this topic, but I didn't know where else to ask this.

I have a G3 tower with monitor and an iMac DV Special Edition that I don't want any more as I bought a new Mac ages ago. However, how do I recycle them in the UK? I know that Apple has a computer recycling program in the US, do they have something similar here? If not, how do I get rid of them?

Thanks in advance.

You can probably donate an early iMac to someone. Those things can still surf the web and use e-mail. DV has firewire, doesn't it?
 
If "nonsense" is "name-calling", then what is "ignorance"?

Yes, construction of nuclear power-plants consumes fossil fuels. Yes, mining uranium consumes fossil fuels. But so does manufacturing of windmills. Windmills require less fossil fuels of course, but they also produce a lot less electricity. By your logic there is no form of energy that doesn't consume fossil fuels.



Um, I haven't said anything about Three Mile Island.



Well, as it is, it hasn't really happened. It did in Chernobyl, but can you really draw far-reaching conclusions about nuclear safety based on what happened in Chernobyl?



Because those "other viable sources of energy" aren't really that viable in all cases? Because the reactors used in North America (and elsewhere) are of different type than the one in Chernobyl, making such an accident next to impossible?



Well, hydro-electricity wrecks havoc to the rivers. And in case of Finland (where I happen to live) we are already pretty much maxed out on hydro. So that leaves us with wind and solar. Well, the thing is that our energy-consumption is at it's highest in the winter. And that is also the time when we get the least amount of sunshine in the year (northern Finland gets NO sunshine, whereas southern Finland gets few hours), and that is also the time when we have the least amount of wind. So I guess we are pretty much screwed, eh?



try arguing with my facts then.

LOL @ you. So, you basically didn't address any of my facts regarding the dangers of nuclear power plants and uranium, supported by medical fact and medical professionals. Basically, your reasoning boils down to "Well, we need energy and other energy sources aren't powerful enough, so I can live with the dangers of nuclear energy as long as my life isn't altered and I can live in denial, surfing the web and spewing rhetoric". The fact is, there have been strides in developing alternative and RENEWABLE energy sources such as hydrogen fuel cell, already being used and tested by Honda in California with hydrogen being extracted from H20 through fueling stations that rely solely on harnessing solar energy through recently developed solar paneling with higher solar extraction per square inch. If more money was spent on R&D on alternative energy sources rather than wasting billions on building a single plant, maintaining said plant and then deconstructing each plant after its 20 year run including proper disposable of highly radioactive materials such as the nuclear core we'd be in a better position environmentally. I find it humorous that you truly believe nuclear power to be safe when all the facts state otherwise. Was it not Pres. Bush who was laughed out of the Kyoto Summit when he proposed building MORE nuclear power plants when most countries have agreed nuclear power is antiquated and counter-productive to environmental advancement in energy? Look it up.

Please address my facts rather than cherry picking what may be molded to base your erroneous argument. Nuclear power plants are antiquated, dangerous, emit more waste than the energy they produce (waste which IS hazardous to humanity and the environment, which requires being sealed away in highly guarded facilities as plutonium may be used for nuclear weaponry - again, see my posts and links/facts I have listed).

I could go on and on with you on this issue, but you have disregarded scientific fact to justify an illogical idea that nuclear power is safe and reliable. Read some books, take a few courses, and address the FACTS I have stated and maybe I would take your post seriously. In the interim, I'm done here, I have better things to do than argue with someone who clearly does not understand logic.
 
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