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And yet it is ironic that you'd be giving an example of SwiftKey which is owned by Microsoft.
Oh and please don't bother replying.
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Sure. There you go:
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Oh and please don't bother replying.
Looking at other posts you made, you don't seem to be a troll.
So you either are being dishonest or suffer a crippling logic disfunction.
If you are a sufferer, then hey, maybe I can teach you the meaning of "nuance" and "logic".
If you are being dishonest, then well, I already wasted my time, so I can as well waste a bit more.
So let's do this. You said that I said that SwiftKey and Swype "share no data at all". Then you reposted a couple of my lines, pretending that they proved something. Now, there are a couple of ways in which one can go about proving that someone said something:
- in a literal way: this is easiest. One only has to check whether the person said the exact words. For example, you said I said that those keyboards "share no data at all". The quotes are important: they mean that the exact sequence of words was used. So even by using the text search function in your browser you can quickly check whether I said that. Alas, no. But wait! As I said, this is only literal matching. Maybe you could put together different parts of speech that effectively mean that I said what you want? That's our next step.
- not literally, but what was said and the quote mean the same: this is more difficult, but you can try finding whether the meaning of different parts of speech can be brought together to end up with the target meaning.
- For example, I did say that "the keyboards work without sending their data", and you might summarize that into "share no data", though you are already getting into potentially dishonest territory - since you are purposefully removing the context given by the words "work without", and in fact the whole context of the whole rest of posts and even the original article, which make clear that the "data" mentioned was what you type into those keyboards, not "data" in its most abstract sense.
- But hey, let's imagine that you don't mind being dishonest to score a quick win. ALAS, you still have to find a meaning match for the "at all" part of your quote. And that's the catastrophic failure: "at all" conveys an absolute meaning, but there is nothing in the posts that can be twisted enough to give that meaning. Or is there? Feel free to try again, of course! But I think you shot yourself in the foot when you accused me of saying something as radical as that.
- For example, I did say that "the keyboards work without sending their data", and you might summarize that into "share no data", though you are already getting into potentially dishonest territory - since you are purposefully removing the context given by the words "work without", and in fact the whole context of the whole rest of posts and even the original article, which make clear that the "data" mentioned was what you type into those keyboards, not "data" in its most abstract sense.
Looks like, to you, it not only is not stupid, but proper. You seem to see the world in black-or-white, and maybe that's why you somehow added mentally an "at all" to what I said and removed any inconvenient context. (I'm obviously assuming that you were not being plainly dishonest - I'm nice that way).
But, in my world view, it is stupid to dump a well-working product just because money changed hands somewhere else. You can even check what I posted 2 months ago in the thread about Microsoft's purchase of SwiftKey: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...crosoft-for-250m.1954224/page-2#post-22532310 . As you can see, I was already a user of SwiftKey. For sure Microsoft makes me weary of the future of that keyboard: the moment I see an EULA change saying that now they will be doing server-side analysis, I will drop them. That is, the moment a bad change reaches me, not before.
Now, maybe you're a big Microsoft fan, and that'd be the reason why you stick your neck out for them, and you are so willing to trust them no matter their story, and you ignore the "they opened Skype to the NSA" argument and instead try to focus on a personal "you don't like them". Whatever. Do what you want with your privacy - while it's yours a least. Somehow it feels fitting that someone lacking in logics, nuance and privacy preservation instincts is also a Microsoft liker
.Do feel free to answer if you need more explanations on logic and nuance. It is kinda painful, but I do my best to improve the world a bit every day!
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Swiftkey does need permanent 'allow full access' and therefore could send and will send data to their servers. If you want to swipe words with this keyboard full access is needed.
Swype doesn't need 'full access' if you use e.g. English language and you are ok with the standard features. For a lot of extra features and other languages you still need to turn 'allow full access' (temporary for languages) on. You can still swipe words without allowing full access.
A keyboard that doesn't need full access in order to work is Path Input / Path input for iPad.
You can swipe words without allowing full access.
Some features (sound when you type, store certain words) can only be used with full access with all of these third party keyboards and some features aren't even available due to iOS/Apple limitations (lack of Siri button).
See also the general third party keyboard topic for more details and keyboards.
Is there any proof about the "will send data to their servers"? I checked about half of that third party keyboard thread and found nothing. The TidBits article linked in the very beginning does mention SwiftKey's claims that no language data is sent, but the author just says that he doesn't trust it.
I do tend to trust the published TOS. I hope that if they break them they will get sued into oblivion.
... though, it's true that this is getting uncomfortable. It's weird that they block swiping just because full access is denied, instead of say degrading accuracy. Add Microsoft to the equation, and I guess that the time is coming to just dump SwiftKey.
Yep, I use it in Spanish after having revoked full access.
Thanks for the tip, will try it.
Swiftkey says they don't log what you type but I don't trust a third party keyboard party in this. If you read the keyboard topic (which I've updated for the most part and still maintain) and scroll a bit further down to each and every word swipe keyboard you will also find a link to this full access statement from Swiftkey. It's up to you.
Swype works pretty good. I get back to it each and every time on iOS. I do hate their keyboard layout though. But the word swipe and chosen words are pretty accurate both in Dutch and English.
Do keep in mind that the Path Input iPhone (3.99 dollar) and iPad (3.99 dollar) version are not universal so you have to pay twice if you want it to use on iPhone and iPad. I do love the iPad layout (with the numbers on the right) which is different then the iPhone layout.
Another keyboard which works similar as Swype as far as access is concerned and also has swipe gesture support is Go Keyboard (free)
Other swipe gesture keyboards are Nintype - difficult to use in my opinion, Adaptxt, TouchPal are also mentioned in the general keyboard topic. Adaptxt and TouchPal also need full access if you want to use a language other then English.
Let's hope they will soon also launch it in other countries and support more languages aside from English so I can also test it out (the Netherlands in my case). I did notice they also need 'allow full access' see there FAQ here.
Yep, it's up. Very nice. You can have the full access off, but it'll nag you and won't let you have the sound feedback.
But can you still swipe words like in Swype without full access? Or is it similar to Swiftkey (also nowadays from Microsoft) that needs full access on in order to swipe words (aside from sound feedback and other things).