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was thinking the same thing.. not all iPhone 4 users use the phone in a $100mill room. they use it at home and one the street and in the car.. and everything holds a phone different, left handed or right.. high up the phone or down the bottom..

They DID test the phone in outdoor places, such as German beer dens... so I think the claims that they only tested the gear inside this facility were debunked before the iPhone was even released (how many leaks were there?)
 
They DID test the phone in outdoor places, such as German beer dens... so I think the claims that they only tested the gear inside this facility were debunked before the iPhone was even released (how many leaks were there?)

Only one bar (even after the latest updates) afaik... :D
 
All this belly aching and hand ringing is quite amusing.

The bug issue is that Apple knew there was a problem and created bumpers in an attempt to fix it. What other purpose do they have.

What purpose to other case makers have? To sell them and make money. If Apple knew there was a big problem, they would have simply fixed the problem - like put the break between antennas at the bottom corners of the phone where it's less likely your hand would bridge instead of on the side.
 
all you fanboys need to get a grip on reality. if this epic antenna failure, which is what it is, belonged to Adobe or Microsoft, you would be having a field day.

unfortunately for you, this time it's apple's mess. they can post lame explanations, make shady comparisons with their competitors and give as many tours of their antenna testing facilities as they like, but the fact remains: it's a flawed product. period.

Except there is no epic antenna failure. No matter how really, really badly you want there to be one, it just does not exist.
 
Ah yes, but that's a special $10,000 dollar rubber band with special magical properties.

Yeah, Apple is so thorough they even tested the original bumper in their fancy room! :p

Except there is no epic antenna failure. No matter how really, really badly you want there to be one, it just does not exist.

Oh, I wouldn't say that. The much talked about fanboy-club seems to not only have bad antenna but pretty bad reception as well...

Apparently someone must've touched their "dead spot". :p
 
And why should we, the consumer, care how much $$$ Apple spent on this sound testing lab or the variety of tests they conducted on the iPhone?

The bottom line is despite spending all that money and conducting all these rigorous tests, they still released a product with an inherent antenna design flaw. In fact, doesn't drawing attention to how much time and money they spent on testing only make Apple look worse since they still somehow managed to come out with a phone that has reception issues?
 
And why should we, the consumer, care how much $$$ Apple spent on this sound testing lab or the variety of tests they conducted on the iPhone?

The bottom line is despite spending all that money and conducting all these rigorous tests, they still released a product with an inherent antenna design flaw. In fact, doesn't drawing attention to how much time and money they spent on testing only make Apple look worse since they still somehow managed to come out with a phone that has reception issues?


this.
 
Yeah, Apple is so thorough they even tested the original bumper in their fancy room! :p



Oh, I wouldn't say that. The much talked about fanboy-club seems to not only have bad antenna but pretty bad reception as well...

Apparently someone must've touched their "dead spot". :p

I love all these trolls who joined in June and July. Good times. Thanks for playing. I recognize your comment was some attempt at humor. Unfortunately it failed because it does not make any sense. Perhaps you were trying the Chewbaca maneuver, hard to tell.
 
If you're a large company like Apple and one day everyone on the web and in the media starts screaming about a product defect, how do you quantify whether these issues are real or not? Well, you need to determine how widespread the problem is and do some testing. You don't make assumptions based on the loudness of the media.

Apple discovered that 0.55% of buyers complained to AppleCare and that 1.7% of iP4s were actually returned. Where else should you look for data if not from your own warranty group or channel partners? People are still not satisfied with the data, but it was sufficient for Apple to determine that there is a problem affecting a minority of iP4 buyers. Apple is addressing the solution to the MINORITY of iP4 buyers by offering a free bumper, reimbursement for an already purchased bumper, an exchange, or a refund without penalty. On top of that, Apple took the time to show that other smartphones behave in very similar, if not identical, ways. I can attest to the fact that my Palm Treo would always drop a call when held in my left hand regardless of signal strength. If I held the Treo in my left hand up to my left ear, calls drop immediately. Nobody made a big stink about that, or what a crappy network Verizon had, etc.

So, what more is Apple supposed to do? If you're not happy, get a refund. If you feel "locked" into Apple's ecosystem, then keep your 3GS which is still a fantastic smartphone and be happy. It's the CONSUMER who has the choice whether or not to buy a specific product. If you must have an iPhone but can't put up with this horrible, terrible defect that is really a non-issue, then get the iPhone 3GS.

Apple happens to feel that this issue affects a tiny minority of its customers based on hard data. Those claiming otherwise, where is their data? If you feel differently, and somehow feel an entitlement to an iPhone 4 just because, then it's time to have your head examined. These are the options people - buy or don't buy. Keep it or return it. Get a bumper or not. You have choices and nobody is twisting your arm to do anything.

Apple is one of the only companies that would go to this extent to keep its customers happy. I don't see HTC, Blackberry, or Samsung offering free cases even though their phones behave in exactly the same manner as the iP4. Yet everyone is screaming at Apple.

The next outcry will come on September 30th when Apple will announce a modified version of the iP4 which doesn't have this issue. Why would Apple limit free bumpers to September 30 unless they were planning on having the issue permanently solved by then? At several points in the presentation and during the Q&A afterward, Jobs hinted that they are looking at other ways to solve this issue and they may have a permanent solution soon.

QFT! I would quote this for an entire page just so people read it, but then I'd be banned... which would be lame...
It would seem that the antenna is in the top of my palm centro, but i just successfully reproduced the problem, it goes from 3 bars to no bars when i grip the top of the phone. Interesting, no?
Also, this is sprint, not AT&T, and just to be sure, i did the ##33284# trick for sprint phones and watched as the noise jumped when i did that, so it seems pretty valid.
 
This says it all, I would like to see what stupid reply’s this is going to get!
My iPhone 4 works awesome and better then my 3gs and CR rated the 3gs second.

It's really simple. CR ranking does not take reception problems into considerations (because before iPhone 4 no other phone really had it that bad). So while iPhone 4 scores well on conventional set of features it's reception is so bad that nobody should buy it (according to CR). It does not really matter how nice the screen is if you can not make a phone call on it, does it?
 
All this, and wireless is still what they're bad at. Their phones are nothing out of the ordinary when it comes to reception. And the audio quality is known to be less than great. Their airport wifi transmitters were always underpowered because they refuse to put an external antenna on them. They compromised the PowerBook by putting the antenna around the bottom of the case and not the screen. The iPhone had wifi issues with iPhone 3.0 os. The iPad has wifi issues. The phone has cellular reception issues. So, I love Apple and all, and that might be the best antenna facility in the world, but I'm not sure they know how to use it. Or perhaps, they do, but Steve keeps on insisting on aesthetics even though it compromises the signal, product after product after product.
 
All this, and wireless is still what they're bad at. Their phones are nothing out of the ordinary when it comes to reception. And the audio quality is known to be less than great. Their airport wifi transmitters were always underpowered because they refuse to put an external antenna on them. They compromised the PowerBook by putting the antenna around the bottom of the case and not the screen. The iPhone had wifi issues with iPhone 3.0 os. The iPad has wifi issues. The phone has cellular reception issues. So, I love Apple and all, and that might be the best antenna facility in the world, but I'm not sure they know how to use it. Or perhaps, they do, but Steve keeps on insisting on aesthetics even though it compromises the signal, product after product after product.

Yeah such horrible products that they keep selling in record numbers quarter after quarter. But you're a bigger genius then Steve Jobs right? Tell me about your innovations. *crickets*
 
And why should we, the consumer, care how much $$$ Apple spent on this sound testing lab or the variety of tests they conducted on the iPhone?

The bottom line is despite spending all that money and conducting all these rigorous tests, they still released a product with an inherent antenna design flaw. In fact, doesn't drawing attention to how much time and money they spent on testing only make Apple look worse since they still somehow managed to come out with a phone that has reception issues?

I just stopped in to see if people (sadly, most are grown men) were STILL wasting everyone's time, pouting in web forums about cell phones. Indeed they are.

Man up. Buy it or don't, keep it or return it, whatever. Swap it for one of them new fan-dangled google phones and enjoi yourself. We'll all be thrilled when you finally feel complete.
 
Maybe the ip4 owners should start a "don't believe the iPhone can hold a call, call us to see otherwise!" club, haha. ;)

No dropped calls here sofar!
 
Are you using an RF definition of "gain" but some layman's definition of "sensitivity"? IOW, could you please explain what you mean by "high sensitivity in edge cases".

One meaning of "sensitivity" is a bigger response to inputs (variations in handling and signal field) in marginal situations.

For instance, out on the road in a very weak signal area, my i4 will get a connection (I can successfully make calls using my headset). If I pick the i4 up with a sweaty palm, it will drop the call. That's a big variation.

My 3GS in the same location will not get a connection. If I pick it up, it still won't get a connection. No variation. Completely insensitivity to handling in that location at the edge of reception.

Big difference in sensitivity.

This difference occurs in marginal locations. Much nearer to a cell tower and they both will connect and complete calls no matter how they are held. Haven't tried it, but I assume that inside a basement elevator, they will both fail to connect, no matter how handled.
 
all you fanboys need to get a grip on reality. if this epic antenna failure, which is what it is, belonged to Adobe or Microsoft, you would be having a field day.

Such is healthy competition. :D

And if the workaround was as simple - and the official recompense as appropriate, the adobe or MS fambois would be rightly replying "is holding it differently not a price worth paying when you consider the whole package?"
 
PR rule 1: Don't get into a fight with the echo chamber. You will just get drowned out;
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Nokia and RIM have just taken the bait, broken rule 1 and will regret it.

Now that Nokia and RIM have stepped in it, one wonders how well they will play out their versions of antennagate.

One can picture RF engineers all around the world stuffing their products wrapped with gel casts of a gripping hand into their $1M RF test chambers, and trying to compress a year of testing into their 22 days, as they get buried in an avalanche of youtube videos showing dropped bars/calls.

The net result is that customers may eventually learn how to handle these tiny RF devices, just as they once had to learn to take off the lens cap and not put their fingers in front of the lens of their roll film cameras before trying to take a picture. That may have been Apple's secret plan from the beginning, and the bloggers and other cell phone vendors are just playing into it.
 
And why should we, the consumer, care how much $$$ Apple spent on this sound testing lab or the variety of tests they conducted on the iPhone?

The bottom line is despite spending all that money and conducting all these rigorous tests, they still released a product with an inherent antenna design flaw. In fact, doesn't drawing attention to how much time and money they spent on testing only make Apple look worse since they still somehow managed to come out with a phone that has reception issues?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4zbQ3f7H0U
 
I love all these trolls who joined in June and July. Good times. Thanks for playing. I recognize your comment was some attempt at humor. Unfortunately it failed because it does not make any sense. Perhaps you were trying the Chewbaca maneuver, hard to tell.

Actually I was going for the Yoda High-Flip Coruscant Double-Twist. You don't think you're looking equally silly taking part in all of this? :D

Bub, I feel sorry for you if you think your favorite wizard company can't stand a few jokes even if they happen to be bad ones. Lighten up and don't feel sad, you're still in good company around these parts.

On a more serious note, and I'm starting to sound like a broken record here, I'm still considering buying an iPhone 4 despite the flaws. I'm just not that blinded by it's glare - it is just a phone after all, remember? :eek:
 
I just stopped in to see if people (sadly, most are grown men) were STILL wasting everyone's time, pouting in web forums about cell phones. Indeed they are.

Man up. Buy it or don't, keep it or return it, whatever. Swap it for one of them new fan-dangled google phones and enjoi yourself. We'll all be thrilled when you finally feel complete.

Are you not also pouting in web forums about cell phones? Oh wait, you "just stopped in"... :rolleyes: Besides, did you even read what I wrote because I fail to see what your reply has anything to do with my previous comment. I was simply stating the obvious... that apple spent a lot of R&D on reception and still have issues with it. Then completely out of the blue, you start telling me to buy a google phone... :confused: What's google got to do with the iphone reception sucking?
 

What's your point? The video shows the droid incredible has the same reception issue. This does not mean the iphone's reception doesn't suck. It means the reception on the iphone AND droid incredible sucks.

What's with all your anti-google comments anyways? I'm guessing it's because SJ and apple are now anti-google and you're not exactly a free-thinker. Either that, or google somehow killed your family. If that's indeed the case, I stand corrected and i'm sorry for your loss.
 
What's your point? The video shows the droid incredible has the same reception issue. This does not mean the iphone's reception doesn't suck. It means the reception on the iphone AND droid incredible sucks.

What's with all your anti-google comments anyways? I'm guessing it's because SJ and apple are now anti-google and you're not exactly a free-thinker. Either that, or google somehow killed your family. If that's indeed the case, I stand corrected and i'm sorry for your loss.

He might be a butthurt N1 owner.
 
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