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raggedjimmi said:
This is why I will never set foot in America. that 2nd amendment thing just scares me. I'm not going to a country where you're allowed to carry a gun.


I think you've watched too many Westerns. It's not like everyone is packing heat and blasting away at each other constantly. Statistically it's rather improbable that you will get shot if you visit. Stop being so melodramatic.
 
raggedjimmi said:
This is why I will never set foot in America.

Hang on, didn't you have a thread a couple of weeks ago asking for advice on a road trip round America? It's not going to be much of a trip if you won't get out of the car....
 
Well just for clarification, that is a redneck weekend but more specifically it is a hick picnic.

When they are done shooting up those cars, they'll tow them back home in there 1984 F150 and will park them out in their front yards. ;)
 
MongoTheGeek said:
I see nothing wrong with the girl shooting the 50 cal. It was tripoded and she was supervised.

I see nothing wrong with citizens owning such weapons. The 2nd Amendment was so people could have military grade firepower. The idea was that if we were ever invaded again that the citizenry could rise up and grind down the opposition.

I would love to own such a weapon. Actually my interest really lies in artillery pieces, but first I need more land.

I suspect that I am fairly biased here, because as I said I don't agree with the 2nd Amendment, it isn't safe and scares the hell out of me. Florida passed a law that allows people to shoot first if they feel they are in danger, I wonder how many paranoid people are going to start shooting the neighbors.

My problem with the girl shooting the guy wasn't that she was going to hurt herself or others. The fact is, you are teaching her that weapons are "fun" and good, while weapons are, IMHO, not either of these things. I don't plan on ever owning a gun, because I don't think they are good things. Sure sure, what do they say "Guns don't kill people, I do". Well guns make it easier. Teaching a little girl that they are good just inforces the idea that it is okay to shoot someone if you feel they are bothering you.

There was a store in Waco, TX, this was a number of years back, but a dude was stealing a can of spam from the store, the store owner used a .22 shotgun and killed the spam thief. Is this justice? I think not!
 
raggedjimmi said:
This is why I will never set foot in America. that 2nd amendment thing just scares me. I'm not going to a country where you're allowed to carry a gun. What was it that Sting said? "Takes more than a license to hold a gun".

Is that a joke? I really would not worry about being shot in America. Notice how there are many of us who live in America on this forum and have yet to be shot. It is not like everyone who lives in America has a gun. Stop letting the new brain wash you.
 
maestro55 said:
I suspect that I am fairly biased here, because as I said I don't agree with the 2nd Amendment, it isn't safe and scares the hell out of me. Florida passed a law that allows people to shoot first if they feel they are in danger, I wonder how many paranoid people are going to start shooting the neighbors.

My problem with the girl shooting the guy wasn't that she was going to hurt herself or others. The fact is, you are teaching her that weapons are "fun" and good, while weapons are, IMHO, not either of these things. I don't plan on ever owning a gun, because I don't think they are good things. Sure sure, what do they say "Guns don't kill people, I do". Well guns make it easier. Teaching a little girl that they are good just inforces the idea that it is okay to shoot someone if you feel they are bothering you.

There was a store in Waco, TX, this was a number of years back, but a dude was stealing a can of spam from the store, the store owner used a .22 shotgun and killed the spam thief. Is this justice? I think not!

I don't know how the law will affect the number of shootings. It probably won't. There are people who carry guns and shoot and there are people who don't. If I am making a decision that determines if I survive the next 5 minutes I likely won't be considering what I will be doing for the next 5-10 years. I am sure Bernie Goetz will agree.

As for teaching the girl that guns are good and fun. A gun is a tool. Its purpose is to impart a large amount of kinetic energy to a small mass and release it in a directed manner. It can be used to make art. It can be used to destroy. Its like a chainsaw or a car. People are far more likely to injured by moving cars than moving bullets. I know I've been hit by moving cars twice and partially crushed once (All as a pedestrian, all when I was in place where the car shouldn't have gone). I have yet to be shot, I think.
 
Looks like fun. Kinda reminds me of my bachelor party (except the part where we didn't get to blow up a car.) My buddies and I went to a shooting range in Athens and got to shoot a bunch of fun guns including an MP5 (shot on full-auto... 50 rounds in under 10 seconds :D ) and a .50 caliber Desert Eagle :D (which recoiled on my unprepared friend-who was shooting it-and nearly hit him in the face).
 
mkrishnan said:
I hadn't heard of Psyche Origami before. I like them. Not bad. Tight flow, nice rhymes. :)

Me neither until I started watching Samurai Champloo.

is ellipsis is a really good album.
 
I've shot .22 caliber rifles (that means the bullets are .22 inches in diameter, for people who don't know) and 12 gauge shotguns since I was 10 or 11.

I think that, as long as guns are legal for the public to own, people should know how to be safe and smart about having a gun.

I personally think that guns should not be available to anyone, and that laws like those in the UK are ideal, but until the laws change it can be a fun challenge to target shoot.

Being able to shoot accurately is really an exercise in mind and body coordination and relaxation. On a good day I can (could...I guess) put 5 shots in a row through the same hole from 50 feet with an open sight. It's all about controlling your breathing and relaxing enough that you're not jittery.

That said, I don't think that children should be taught that blowing things up and shooting huge caliber automatic guns is acceptable and fun...I think that's a bad impression to leave on a little kid.
 
People are far more likely to injured by moving cars than moving bullets.

..and statistics would agree with that. there were 29,573 gun deaths (2001) but 42,116 auto deaths (1999), per the following links respectively:

http://thegreenman.net.au/mt/gun_deaths_in_usa.htm
http://www.unitedjustice.com/death-statistics.html

However, we could likely cut down, atleast $10,000 U.S. deaths if we enforced tougher gun control laws. Even if it could save one life, I would agree with it. We are already working harder to make cars safer and teach drivers to be safer on the roads. I would like to see some statistics for more recent years to see if the car accident deaths have gone down.
 
joepunk said:
Instructing on proper handling of a loaded weapon is important but she is not likely to come across a 50. Cal in a school locker.
And in 1 sentence we can neatly sum up some of the differences between you Yanks and us Brits :D
Having said that I still remember my Dad letting me fire a Gimpy (that's a Squad Assault Weapon for the Septics ;) ), when I was 7 or 8. And I still get a kick out of watching things like that.
 
MongoTheGeek said:
I see nothing wrong with citizens owning such weapons. The 2nd Amendment was so people could have military grade firepower.

Gun related deaths in the UK (population 60,000,000) in 2002 = 81
Gun related deaths in the US (population 295,000,000) in 2002 = 30,242

That's what's wrong with your citizens owning such weapons and your 2nd Amendment.
 
MacRy said:
Gun related deaths in the UK (population 60,000,000) in 2002 = 81
Gun related deaths in the US (population 295,000,000) in 2002 = 30,242

That's what's wrong with your citizens owning such weapons and your 2nd Amendment.

By those statistics, if the UK was the same population as the US they would have had 397 gun related deaths in 2002.

397 vs. 30,242

Says something about gun law.
 
OutThere said:
By those statistics, if the UK was the same population as the US they would have had 397 gun related deaths in 2002.

397 vs. 30,242

Says something about gun law.

Indeed!

Plus I have to ask the question: How many times has the US been invaded since the constitution was drawn up?

Paranoid much?!
 
yellow said:
Hmm twice if you don't count the Civil War.

I'm drawing blanks here....care to fill me in?

Pearl Harbor and 9/11 are all I could come up with, and they weren't technically "invasions", more like isolated attacks. Anything with fighting Native Americans doesn't count, as they were here long before us...

Every other event here after the signing of the Constitution in 1789 seems to have involved the U.S. invading other countries(1812, Spanish-American, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf, Afghanistan, Iraq etc.), or fighting wars at sea.
 
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