A retina display iPad will not happened in 2 years

[LostSoul80]

The browser does all the rendering of every web page, so if a smaller content size is found it's easy to adapt it to the existing screen resolution.

If what you mean is the web is full of low resolution images, that's true. In fact, a retina display will not be fully used with the current habits.

Don't forget that high resolution images equal large files, thus requiring faster connections. There are always downsides.

But gaining a higher resolution will greatily improve iOS' graphics and applications, as happened with the iPhone 4.

 

[MythicFrost]

The retina display will make everything look better except for images that haven't been updated which will look the same on a normal 1024x768 panel.

The retina display is pretty much guaranteed unless some last minute problem arises.

 

[ChristianVirtual]

You are showing how a low resolution pic displayed on a high resolution device. It not gonna make things sharp but same.

but still a very good and simple graphic showing what happen. Of course there is more behind the scene: anti aliasing, sub-pixel positioning and others. which makes the retina screen very pleasant to read on.

 

[corvus32]

It's not apps or the web that concerns me over a retina display in the iPad. It's HD content.

All of the HD content in the iTunes Store is in 720p resolution. It's also encoded at a fairly low bitrate. Upscaling that content to 2048x1536 or viewing it at native resolution with thick black bars all around would suck. I'm not paying for a kick in the pants.

 

[applesith]

You are showing how a low resolution pic displayed on a high resolution device. It not gonna make things sharp but same.

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iMac can handle this by showing the web in a very narrow area in the middle of screen. (which I hated, but some one ok with it). iPad can not handle it like this because it is only 10'', even you will not like it.

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Because Apple never did, so they wouldn't.( we estimate future from the past, not guessing, right?)

I suppose only PC with retina display can bring the revolution.

Then stick to small monitors!! What do you want? Really dude just stop- you are wrong.

 

[Mengchen81]

Then stick to small monitors!! What do you want? Really dude just stop- you are wrong.

Why should I listen to you, kid. Yelling wouldn't make you right but mad.

 

[pandamonia]

I can't understand why so many ppl think that the ipad3 will have retina display, it's not gonna happen!

By simple logic, standard website which is 1024*768 will be so ***** on the retina display, the pic will be forced to enlarge. An iPad can not surf Internet well? I don't believe Apple and Apple fans will like it.

I do believe finally the web page resolution gonna be improved to support retina display devices, but ipad is not the guy who bring the evolution to us. 14'' color CRT introduced the 640*480, windows 95 bring the 800*600 resolution, LCD made 1024*768 to be the standard. An iPad leads the 2048*1536 evolution? I don't think so.

Even powered by an regular PC today,2048*1536 can not be guaranteed to run smoothly in every applications. To make letters readable in very high resolution display, new standard font has to be installed in every system in every retina devices. Then each website across the world has to update their pics just like apps updated the icon to support iPhone 4.

Retina only works on phones, which is still lower than 1024*768, for iPad? Not before 2015 in my opinion.

Read your reply, I don't know why ppl think the pic can be automatically doubled, it not gonna happen. If you bought iPhone 4 before 2010, you will know each apps have to update the icon to make it looks sharp in iphone4, your magic retina display can not just double it!

Lol you are so wrong

PC monitors have been rocking huge resolutions for years, my own one had 1900x1200 my friend has a Dell with a serious resolution around 2500x1500

So whats new? all thats new is the resolution is a small screen

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It's not apps or the web that concerns me over a retina display in the iPad. It's HD content.

All of the HD content in the iTunes Store is in 720p resolution. It's also encoded at a fairly low bitrate. Upscaling that content to 2048x1536 or viewing it at native resolution with thick black bars all around would suck. I'm not paying for a kick in the pants.

Who uses itunes to watch movies LOL

get with the program.

 

[Akack]

Guess we'll find out in a few more months.

 

[thekev]

Lol you are so wrong

PC monitors have been rocking huge resolutions for years, my own one had 1900x1200 my friend has a Dell with a serious resolution around 2500x1500

So whats new? all thats new is the resolution is a small screen

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Who uses itunes to watch movies LOL

get with the program.

They took a pretty big step backward in resolution with the transition from crt to lcd. Today we have 24" 1900x1200 displays and 27" displays that are a bit higher, but the real growth in dpi has been seen amongst laptops and phones as they are higher growth markets. We should see a significant bump in resolution amongst larger panels within 2-3 years according to the tech site articles.

 

[E.Lizardo]

Apologies to all who call me OP

OP = noob in my country, which I thought is international. Just realised it is short for original poster.


Sorry, again.

Actually,both seem appropriate to me...

 

[applesith]

Why should I listen to you, kid. Yelling wouldn't make you right but mad.

Just go away- you posting over and over doesn't make you right.

 

[baypharm]

I can't understand why so many ppl think that the ipad3 will have retina display, it's not gonna happen!

By simple logic, standard website which is 1024*768 will be so ***** on the retina display, the pic will be forced to enlarge. An iPad can not surf Internet well? I don't believe Apple and Apple fans will like it.

I do believe finally the web page resolution gonna be improved to support retina display devices, but ipad is not the guy who bring the evolution to us. 14'' color CRT introduced the 640*480, windows 95 bring the 800*600 resolution, LCD made 1024*768 to be the standard. An iPad leads the 2048*1536 evolution? I don't think so.

Even powered by an regular PC today,2048*1536 can not be guaranteed to run smoothly in every applications. To make letters readable in very high resolution display, new standard font has to be installed in every system in every retina devices. Then each website across the world has to update their pics just like apps updated the icon to support iPhone 4.

Retina only works on phones, which is still lower than 1024*768, for iPad? Not before 2015 in my opinion.

Read your reply, I don't know why ppl think the pic can be automatically doubled, it not gonna happen. If you bought iPhone 4 before 2010, you will know each apps have to update the icon to make it looks sharp in iphone4, your magic retina display can not just double it!

Higher resolution screen imaging is a no brainer - all they will have to do is modify the screen size and dimension.

For example the new Blackberry tablet coming out next month will have 1280x768 and 4g. So unless Apple comes up pretty darn quick with an iPad 3 they will be left scratching their heads. Apple is no slouch when it comes to innovation so I can pretty much rest assured at night that the new iPad (whenever it does come to market) will have a higher resolution screen and 4g.

 

[Yr Blues]

Successful troll is successful. Kudos to TS.

 

[kustardking]

You are showing how a low resolution pic displayed on a high resolution device. It not gonna make things sharp but same.

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iMac can handle this by showing the web in a very narrow area in the middle of screen. (which I hated, but some one ok with it). iPad can not handle it like this because it is only 10'', even you will not like it.

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Because Apple never did, so they wouldn't.( we estimate future from the past, not guessing, right?)

I suppose only PC with retina display can bring the revolution.

The OP appears to be an impermeable bubble of misunderstanding, or is pulling everyone's leg. OP, read carefully:

1) pixel doubling allows *existing* content to look exactly the same as before
2) pixel doubling allows *new* content to leverage 4x the area
3) Apple *already* did this with the iphone 4

#1 is important so that current stuff doesn't break
#2 is important so that there is a path forward
#3 dismisses ALL of your arguments

end of story

 

[corvus32]

Who uses itunes to watch movies LOL

get with the program.

Regardless of how one obtains the content certain technical facts remain.

btw, iTunes' share of the US online pay-per-transaction, on-demand movie business has been around 65-70% over the past couple of years.

 

[vrDrew]

The level of snark and scorn which greeted the OP's thesis is disappointing, but hardly surprising. Obviously many of the people who habituate this forum are incapable of having a rational discussion on any topic that varies from the party line. A few news items from dodgy Asian websites and its automatically assumed that the next iPad will have a retina screen, and woe betide anyone who tries to question it.

The fact of the matter is that there are a number of very good reasons why the next iPad won't have a different screen resolution.

To begin with, of all the things that could use improvement on the iPad, screen resolution barely makes the list. Most people older than about 20 or so would have a very hard time indeed visually noticing a difference in pixel size, especially at the somewhat greater distances we hold tablets as opposed to smartphones.

Secondly, people seem to be ignoring the very real costs that a higher resolution screen will impose. Not just a higher manufacturing cost - which will either eat into Apple's margins, or create pricing opportunities for its rivals - but also costs in terms of battery life and processor cycles.

There is also the issue of fragmentation. There are currently about 70 million iPads in consumers hands using current resolution. A retina-class resolution is going to impose at least some level of additional coding on App developers.

There is the issue of content - and especially High Definition video content. Downloading a movie with four times the pixels (to say nothing of storing it) is going to take a lot longer than present resolution files do.

Lastly, one needs to ask if a "Retina" class display is going to be in Apple's best interest. Is it going to give them a unique marketing bullet point, one that rivals from Samsung or Acer cannot meet? The answer to that question is obviously not. Samsung - for all its faults - is probably a world leader in high-definition video display technology. Is it really in Apple's interest to get into a "spec war" with Samsung?

It certainly is possible that Apple has developed technological and engineering solutions to the issues I've raised. Maybe some of Apple's tremendous investments in capital goods over the past couple of years have secured for them a unique high-definition supply source. Maybe the next generation of GPU chips will ameliorate the processing burden super-HiDef video will create.

But I think its at least worth while considering the possibility that the next iPad won't have a retina class display. Otherwise I predict howls of outrage and disappointment from the armchair computer engineers who hang out at Mac Rumors.

 

[Paulywauly]

I've read this entire thread, but still unsure why Resolution Independence (initially mentioned in comment #4) is not the solution to the issues mentioned by the OP and other commenters?

 

[kustardking]

The level of snark and scorn which greeted the OP's thesis is disappointing, but hardly surprising. Obviously many of the people who habituate this forum are incapable of having a rational discussion on any topic that varies from the party line. A few news items from dodgy Asian websites and its automatically assumed that the next iPad will have a retina screen, and woe betide anyone who tries to question it.

The fact of the matter is that there are a number of very good reasons why the next iPad won't have a different screen resolution.

To begin with, of all the things that could use improvement on the iPad, screen resolution barely makes the list. Most people older than about 20 or so would have a very hard time indeed visually noticing a difference in pixel size, especially at the somewhat greater distances we hold tablets as opposed to smartphones.

Secondly, people seem to be ignoring the very real costs that a higher resolution screen will impose. Not just a higher manufacturing cost - which will either eat into Apple's margins, or create pricing opportunities for its rivals - but also costs in terms of battery life and processor cycles.

There is also the issue of fragmentation. There are currently about 70 million iPads in consumers hands using current resolution. A retina-class resolution is going to impose at least some level of additional coding on App developers.

There is the issue of content - and especially High Definition video content. Downloading a movie with four times the pixels (to say nothing of storing it) is going to take a lot longer than present resolution files do.

Lastly, one needs to ask if a "Retina" class display is going to be in Apple's best interest. Is it going to give them a unique marketing bullet point, one that rivals from Samsung or Acer cannot meet? The answer to that question is obviously not. Samsung - for all its faults - is probably a world leader in high-definition video display technology. Is it really in Apple's interest to get into a "spec war" with Samsung?

It certainly is possible that Apple has developed technological and engineering solutions to the issues I've raised. Maybe some of Apple's tremendous investments in capital goods over the past couple of years have secured for them a unique high-definition supply source. Maybe the next generation of GPU chips will ameliorate the processing burden super-HiDef video will create.

But I think its at least worth while considering the possibility that the next iPad won't have a retina class display. Otherwise I predict howls of outrage and disappointment from the armchair computer engineers who hang out at Mac Rumors.

Your tone is cut from the cloth your presume to criticize, so chill your patronizing. Fact is the OP was highly aggressive with a stance that doesn't hold water. He's either a troll or 1) he doesn't understand the technical aspects and 2) can't remember that Apple has already done this by doubling the res on the iphone 4. #1 is important because you need a correct basis for an argument, and #2 negates all of the "old eyes" and "too much bandwidth" arguments. And to "old eyes" and "bandwidth," movies can stay "low res," and higher resolution text will *help* you.

Now here's something you're not taking into account, and it is core to Apple's approach. They are trying to remove pixels from the equation. The only way to remove them is to make them indiscernible, and the only way to do that is to make them really small. Why bother? Because "pixels" are a "computer" thing, and Apple is moving away from "computers." Apple *will* put a pixel-doubled display in the ipad because it makes business sense. If they don't put it in the very next iteration, it will be because of hardware cost constraints.

 

[Mengchen81]

Your tone is cut from the cloth your presume to criticize, so chill your patronizing. Fact is the OP was highly aggressive with a stance that doesn't hold water. He's either a troll or 1) he doesn't understand the technical aspects and 2) can't remember that Apple has already done this by doubling the res on the iphone 4. #1 is important because you need a correct basis for an argument, and #2 negates all of the "old eyes" and "too much bandwidth" arguments. And to "old eyes" and "bandwidth," movies can stay "low res," and higher resolution text will *help* you.

Now here's something you're not taking into account, and it is core to Apple's approach. They are trying to remove pixels from the equation. The only way to remove them is to make them indiscernible, and the only way to do that is to make them really small. Why bother? Because "pixels" are a "computer" thing, and Apple is moving away from "computers." Apple *will* put a pixel-doubled display in the ipad because it makes business sense. If they don't put it in the very next iteration, it will be because of hardware cost constraints.

What a relief! Finally i realised it isnt my poor English make you so hard to understand. You guys just 1) can not understand tech, 2) think you understand it.

 

[pandamonia]

Apple should forget current resolutions and basically base its new iphone 5 on 1080p and also the new ipad on 1080p forget everything else as most computers TV's and games run native in 1080p.

Makes far more sense.

 

[fertilized-egg]

The level of snark and scorn which greeted the OP's thesis is disappointing, but hardly surprising.

Yes it's unfortunate.

A few news items from dodgy Asian websites and its automatically assumed that the next iPad will have a retina screen, and woe betide anyone who tries to question it.

Depends. Some leaks from other tablet makers have already shown high resolution displays and John Gruber of all people is pretty convinced that the iPad 3 will have a "Retina" dispaly.

To begin with, of all the things that could use improvement on the iPad, screen resolution barely makes the list.

I'd have maybe agreed before iPhone 4 but now, the readability of text is so much better with the higher resolution.

There is also the issue of fragmentation. .... A retina-class resolution is going to impose at least some level of additional coding on App developers.

Not really. AFAIK Apple's pixel doubling makes it really easy to develop for the Retina display without additional coding. You just add graphic asets that are two times the linear resolution.

Samsung - for all its faults - is probably a world leader in high-definition video display technology. Is it really in Apple's interest to get into a "spec war" with Samsung?

Absolutely yes because Samsung supplies Apple with components. Reportedly Apple is considered a more important customer and gets preferential treatment by Samsung LSI (the Samsung guys who make the chips) than the Samsung's own mobile division, ditto for display supplying side from LG and Samsung. When you order so many components, you can have a huge power over your suppliers. Just ask Sony who can't help selling the latest camera sensors to Apple.

 

[leo.andres.21]

Watching a 720p video or file on a Hi-res MacBook Pro screen looks absolutely fine. Every tech devices are equipped with upscaling technology since well, forever. Remember HDTV? People watches Netflix on those, some still watch DVDs on those, isn't that 480p converted to 1080p? They works fine and so should the retina display for the iPad whenever it is released. You really don't need the whole www to upgrade to hidpi pictures and logo, it will only takes 2-3 months at most, for the majority websites to upgrade.
When something occurs on a regular basis and no one consciously trying to change it, they just get use to it instead.

 

[ThatsMeRight]

Watching a 720p video or file on a Hi-res MacBook Pro screen looks absolutely fine. Every tech devices are equipped with upscaling technology since well, forever. Remember HDTV? People watches Netflix on those, some still watch DVDs on those, isn't that 480p converted to 1080p? They works fine and so should the retina display for the iPad whenever it is released. You really don't need the whole www to upgrade to hidpi pictures and logo, it will only takes 2-3 months at most, for the majority websites to upgrade.
When something occurs on a regular basis and no one consciously trying to change it, they just get use to it instead.

Yes, and DVD looks horrible when you are used to blu-ray.

 

[kustardking]

What a relief! Finally i realised it isnt my poor English make you so hard to understand. You guys just 1) can not understand tech, 2) think you understand it.

harhar! OK, finally the OP takes off the mask to reveal his inner troll!

 

[polbit]

This has to be one of the most pointless threads ever, but definitely entertaining to read!

To reiterate, as many have mentioned already, since doubling the screen resolution on a SAME size display makes each pixel 1/4th the size, if all you do by default is double the image/website/etc., it will look EXACTLY the same as it does today, because each pixel will become the EXACT same size as on 1024x768 screen. This isn't rocket science!