Except that it is false. It has been proven time and again that, for example, the Mac Pro is cheaper than an equivalently configured machine from Dell (or any other major OEM). If you want to say, "well, I don't really need 4 cores in my desktop tower, 2 will do just fine, but Apple doesn't offer a tower with only 2 cores," then that is a fair argument. But that is not what you claimed - you made an absolute claim that is patently false. So you're right that there is no debate - but that is just because these days even Windows fans will admit that your claim is wrong!wallock said:This next comment is not up for debate, it is simply true.
I would prefer Sony.wallock said:Mac users want reasonable upgrades (like Dell, Toshiba and HP give).
I feel the MacBook is fairly priced. Although the MacPro make look overpriced, they got the best of the best that I can't afford.wallock said:This next comment is not up for debate, it is simply true. Apple users pay a premium to use Apple computers. For the exact same parts, users pay more. Period. Mr. Jobs can make an exception comparing a topped-out MacPro to a Dells' but in all reality, Apple charges a premium. That's fine, but then keep up with updates.
Omg AMEN to that. For those who say don't wait, buy it when you need it, I'm poor ya know! I need the best of the best, something that can last long and not be obsolete in a year, and something that I can afford (MacBook ).wallock said:What I see here the most are the people who recently bought a MacBook/Pro are the ones telling everybody to stop whining. It isn't about whining, it's about wanting the best from a company they have dedicated themselves to (meaning purchasing of Apple software, accessories, etc...).
On one hand, I agree with you, wait for as long as you can - but on the other hand, a current MB(P) will not be obsolete in a year. Given Intel's road map, it definitely will not be the newest/greatest version either.Also, I'm not aware of any *shipping* merom laptops - but I am aware of shipping merom desktops (called iMacs).scott523 said:Omg AMEN to that. For those who say don't wait, buy it when you need it, I'm poor ya know! I need the best of the best, something that can last long and not be obsolete in a year, and something that I can afford.
I do not pay a premium. Premium implies that I am paying more in comparison to something else. No company offers me what Apple does.wallock said:This next comment is not up for debate, it is simply true. Apple users pay a premium to use Apple computers. For the exact same parts, users pay more. Period. Mr. Jobs can make an exception comparing a topped-out MacPro to a Dells' but in all reality, Apple charges a premium. That's fine, but then keep up with updates.
Who on earth do you think you are?! The Messiah?! This is a forum - absolutely everything anyone says is up for debate. If you don't like that, talk to yourself in the mirror where you're guaranteed that no-one will disagree with your grandoise pronouncementswallock said:This next comment is not up for debate, it is simply true.
Have you got a picture of this laptop though? I don't think I've ever seen a Dell laptop that I've ever thought to myself "I simply must have that". Not liek when I first saw the Macbook in the Apple store. And this isn't a merely superficial point - when a laptop looks as stunning as Apple's often do, it's indicative of the care and dedication that has gone into more substantial elements of the engineering. I bet the size and look of this Dell is horrendous. Apple have managed to maintain a very small and sleek shell whilst (despite some initial setbacks) keeping the temperature down. When I pay for that, I'm not paying a premium. I'm paying for something that, to me, is just as important (if not more so) than a Merom chipset.wallock said:I think I made my point quite clear:
Again it is not a premium to everyone. So stop saying "Apple users". I don't pay a premium, nor do I feel in anyway that I do.wallock said:I know - it's the wonderful software - I LOVE it too! I am not evening complaining about the price!
All I am saying is that indeed Apple users pay a premium and it is VERY reasonable to be a little upset when they aren't updating their computers along the same lines as other manufactures.
Amen.FleurDuMal said:If you simply want top specs for as cheap as possible, then go for a Dell. That's not what Apple is about. Thank God.
I've actually been quite pleased with my purchases from Dell, no lemons to date.calculus said:I think you mean apples and lemons
Right, it's about appearances. Conspicuous consumption. 'Finely-engineered hardware' - oooh. I know that the beauty of an interior I never look about certainly makes all the difference in the world to my productivity. And boy howdy, I'd just die if my laptop were a half-inch thicker (consequently cooler).wallock, I think you misunderstand why people buy macs. It's about far more than a spec list (at least it is for me)
For you. For a yuppie in search of a home appliance, it might just work.milozauckerman said:Apple's yuppie home appliance strategy is a dead end.